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05/10/2005 02:20:14 PM · #26 |
I'm not opening that can by posting here, but if anyone is interested in my 3yold's response, contact me.
I like art that "shakes the cage", within limits. (I cannot imagine someone slaughtering and eating a bunny-rabbit!) What's emotive to me in this image is the right, (pained)more human, eye. Totally dominated by, and seperated from the evil left, yet part of the same character.
Congrats on a very nice photo.
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05/10/2005 02:29:12 PM · #27 |
When I first saw the picture (didn't know it was Pedro's) I thought of a food we have in my home country (Argentina). It's called "matambre", and it's this big, thin piece of meat rolled up with filling (veggies, bacon, eggs, whatever), then tied really tight with string, then boiled (or baked). It's delicious, but it looks a bit weird.
Now, every time I look at the picture, I laugh and think, "Tasssty!" |
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05/10/2005 02:34:29 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by ursula:
When I first saw the picture (didn't know it was Pedro's) I thought of a food we have in my home country (Argentina). It's called "matambre", and it's this big, thin piece of meat rolled up with filling (veggies, bacon, eggs, whatever), then tied really tight with string, then boiled (or baked). It's delicious, but it looks a bit weird.
Now, every time I look at the picture, I laugh and think, "Tasssty!" |
So, you're saying Pedro is just a piece of meat?
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05/10/2005 02:38:42 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by ursula:
Now, every time I look at the picture, I laugh and think, "Tasssty!" |
...funny...every time most of us girls look at any of Pedro's self-portraits, we think the same thing! ;)
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05/10/2005 02:41:56 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
As a site, we certainly cannot say "you should not submit anything that does not have a positive message or tone." That would be a grave mistake. |
exactly. just because we don't like a book doesn't mean it should be burned...ban a movie...flame an artist. i am a complete wuss when it comes to negative stuff, i blame my absorption with stephen king as a teenager. :) seriously though, even though i'd much rather watch scrubs than er, i know that there is hardness and negativity in the world, and just because i choose not to always see it--it is not going to disappear. (ok, also because i love zack braff, fine.)
as far as the kid thing goes, peter is a fantastic dad and very protective of his son, so i doubt he intentionally set out to frighten small children. :) i showed his picture to my 3 year old nephew, who proceeded to look at it for a minute, then ask what was wrong with his face. i said nothing, he was just playing around, making funny faces. jacob then said, "oh. can i have a fruit snack?" :) i guess it is kinda just the whole thing with once you sort of understand something, there is nothing much left to fear. disturbing or not, i wonder if we should just celebrate the fact that there is diversity in all forms of art and humanity whether or not we appreciate it or even get it. i'd rather read douglas adams than hemmingway, but i have read him and many other similar authors just to stay balanced and aware, i guess. as with this particular photo--i personally like another out-take that is more portrait-like, but only becuse i know his face, and like it the way it is. i dont think, however, that if i didn't know him, that this picture would really bother me at all, i would just chalk it up to the weirdness of an artist. ;)
ugh, now i am totally late for a meeting, but felt i had to quickly throw my 2 cents in. also, because of this thread, i now have prince's controversy in my head and it wont go away! there are worse things i suppose. ;) |
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05/10/2005 03:20:53 PM · #31 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by ursula:
When I first saw the picture (didn't know it was Pedro's) I thought of a food we have in my home country (Argentina). It's called "matambre", and it's this big, thin piece of meat rolled up with filling (veggies, bacon, eggs, whatever), then tied really tight with string, then boiled (or baked). It's delicious, but it looks a bit weird.
Now, every time I look at the picture, I laugh and think, "Tasssty!" |
So, you're saying Pedro is just a piece of meat? |
:)
Most of the time I have no idea what I'm saying :)
Message edited by author 2005-05-10 15:21:43. |
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05/10/2005 05:44:42 PM · #32 |
man this thread did take a turn for the weird :)
ok, so Barry - no, I didn't at all take offense to your comments. I'm terribly protective of my son when it comes to the real-world stuff - no gun toys, no fighting games, no using words like hate or name-calling. to me my photo wasn't real...like Leesh said - just making a funny face. with fishing line. and bacon. no...that would be weird, Ursula. :D
the outtake that Alecia is referring to is
 <-- this one. and oddly to me that's more real and a little scarier. it's more like a real emotion to me...sad or something (though i wasn't at all sad i was just doing a light check...I didn't want to have to be wearing all the darn fishing line while setting it up :))
I kind of liked the fact that very few recognised me. Several good friends asked me who it was when i showed them the pic. it added to the surreality of it. You'll notice my last few entries have been a little more like that. it's the way i'm leaning in my stance on photography lately. Less trying represent reality, and more trying to create my own reality. it's fun. Less acceptable here i would guess, but still more what i'm currently interested in.
Believe me...some of the ideas I have rattling around in my brain right now are WAY weirder than this one :P |
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05/10/2005 06:10:28 PM · #33 |
Ohhhhhhh.....this is too tempting! Pedro fell victim to a fishing mishap called a "Cranial girdle" or amongst fishermen, a "20 lb twisty". While searching for a jar in which to vacuum his head into, he came across his son's "Spongebob" toy fishing rod and started flossing with the monofilament. This continued for a while as Peter became enthralled with the monofilament's texture and the nifty sound it made when it bumped his nose. As it turns out, his head got caught up in the twirling motion of the reel and hence this tragic incident occurred. Fortunately there were no hooks involved but only the rubber fishy on the end of the line which ended up slapping him square in his eye. His son found great humor in the photo because he knew the whole story and because daddy got his head caught in a guitar the week before.
There you go....the truth behind the artist.
=O
Message edited by author 2005-05-10 18:51:32. |
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05/10/2005 06:24:05 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by Ivo:
Ohhhhhhh.....this is too tempting! Pedro fell victim to a fishing mishap called a "Cranial girdle". While searching for a jar in which to vacuum his head into, he came across his son's "Spongebob" toy fishing rod and started flossing with the monofilament. This continued for a while as Peter became enthralled with the monofilament's texture and the nifty sound it made when it bumped his nose. As it turns out, his head got caught up in the twirling motion of the reel and hence this tragic incident occurred. Fortunately there were no hooks involved but only the rubber fishy on the end of the line which ended up slapping him square in his eye. His son found great humor in the photo because he knew the whole story and because daddy got his head caught in a guitar the week before.
There you go....the truth behind the artist.
=O |
this doesn't surprise me at all! :P |
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05/10/2005 06:33:24 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Pedro:
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In the words of Cheech & Chong...
"Hey who cut your hair?"
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05/10/2005 06:36:52 PM · #36 |
All I can say about this is that I wish I had the balls (or maybe just the creativity) to do something like Pedro did. Something not so warm and fuzzy, something completely off the wall, something that makes you cringe the second you see it. Honestly, I'm getting bored with my stuff and this just kind of inspires me to try something different. whether or not I will is another story all together but that's why I'm here. To spark the juices....
As for the whole kid controversy (sorry Alecia, I'm sure that didn't help), the whole pros and cons, right and wrongs, good and evil have been dicussed to death here so I won't add to it. It's just a photograph of a pretty kooky guy doing something pretty, well....Kooky. ;-P
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05/10/2005 06:46:31 PM · #37 |
| I for one thought it was a great photo yet at the same time I wanted to vote and get the pic off my screen. Pedro did a fantastic job of conveying the emotion he was trrying for. It was one of those things where you say" that was great!!!.... I never want to see that again...." Good work Pedro! |
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05/10/2005 09:12:26 PM · #38 |
actually, that isn't the picture i was referring to--it was this one:
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05/10/2005 10:29:50 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by bear_music:
...given two images of equal power and technical competence, the "happy" one will beat out the "disturbing" one every day. I think that's too bad. But it's the way things are I guess...
Robt. |
This is obviously not true as demonstrated by two of the top three photos. Many could argue the technicals on some of the "feel good" shots were as good. In fact, I would say the opposite is true, but hard to tell. If we had a challenge where there was a main topic (like "Moods") but you had to register to enter and half the entrants were given the additional assignment to create "Good" moods and the other half "Bad" moods, it would really be interesting to see where the results go!
Originally posted by Alecia:
i showed his picture to my 3 year old nephew, who proceeded to look at it for a minute, then ask what was wrong with his face. i said nothing, he was just playing around, making funny faces. jacob then said, "oh. can i have a fruit snack?" :) |
A perfect example of the danger of this type of photo! My son also asked me for a fruit snack when he saw this image. Do we want our kids constantly asking us for fruit snacks?? Those things are less about fruit and more about chemicals and preservatives! I hope you're happy, Pedro!
ROFL
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05/10/2005 11:10:33 PM · #40 |
The voting graph on mine sorta looks like a gun.
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05/11/2005 09:15:53 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by kpriest:
I hope you're happy, Pedro!
ROFL |
actually based on Ursula's earlier comments I thought about trying to market the image to whoever it might be that sells bacon wrapped meat. and that has to be FAR healtier than fruit snacks...uh...or not.
:) |
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05/11/2005 09:25:59 AM · #42 |
Personally, I find this photo to be technically outstanding, as well as very interesting and easy to look at. I don't see anything in the picture that should be censored away from children. Children will take this picture in a very basic way since they do not know anything about the impression this is meant to give. To them, this is just a person who is defferent and weird looking. IMO, teaching them they shouldn't see that or thats its something they should be shielded from, is the same as teaching them to treat people look differently as unequals. I would be glad to show the picture to my 3y/o, and in the process explain why he looks the way he does and that it's nothing to be afraid of.
As for the quote below-
I see where you're coming from, and how the thinking is logical, but there is a very good reason for this, and t's not TV or media or anything of the nature. Young kids are not afraid of things like this (for the most part) because they don't know they should be. Older kids and adults see a disturbed side to a picture like this because of the things we have learned and experienced through life. Young children have nothing to base a fear of this picture on because they have never seen anything like it associated with something bad or scary. Children have to learn everything they know or feel, including fear. This is also why movies that scare adults will not at all scare small children... ;)
Originally posted by glad2badad:
That, to me, is semi-scary in itself. Kids grow up with this stuff and learn NOT to be afraid? My 3 year-old is young enough to be scared when he sees it and that's fine with me.
Originally posted by ursula:
...Personally, I don't think kids are nearly as scared of creepy stuff as we sometimes think they are... |
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*For the record- I'm not bitching or complaining. Just giving my $0.02... :)
Message edited by author 2005-05-11 09:35:14.
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05/11/2005 09:52:45 AM · #43 |
And how about movies that will scare kids but not scare adults? I'm not a child psychologist but I feel we've done a decent job raising our three kids. The youngest (3yrs old) is not a "scardicat", in fact he doesn't have fear of too many things (I can thank him for a few extra gray hairs!).
However, that said, our oldest one enjoys Lord of the Rings. Our youngest one has stumbled into the den (3yr olds' run pretty quick) when the oldest one was watching and was frightened by some of the goulish "characters/objects/things ???" that showed up on the screen. He learned to recognize the soundtrack from LOTR and stays out of the den (will actually turn around at the sound) when he hears it.
Last night watching American Idol there was a commercial for Star Wars where Darth Vaders face changes...the 3yr old covered his eyes. Normally I have my finger on the channel changer to move away from some of the racier commercials (OC, House) because of the middle child (10yrs old) as well...thought Star Wars was safe. ;^)
My point is I cannot agree entirely with your post on kids not having fear of things they don't know...
Originally posted by OpticalSniper:
This is also why movies that scare adults will not at all scare small children... ;) |
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05/11/2005 09:53:09 AM · #44 |
i will just say this...
bravo...and congratulations pedro you deserve a 12....you did the job of every excellent photographer and artist...the ultimate compliment goes to you ...whether people liked it or hated it they do with passion...evoking passion in your audience is the ultimate goal after all....
buzzmom gives pedro a standing ovation |
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05/11/2005 10:34:37 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by buzzmom:
i will just say this...
bravo...and congratulations pedro you deserve a 12....you did the job of every excellent photographer and artist...the ultimate compliment goes to you ...whether people liked it or hated it they do with passion...evoking passion in your audience is the ultimate goal after all....
buzzmom gives pedro a standing ovation |
Well said, and agreed %100... :)
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05/12/2005 12:23:08 PM · #46 |
| I was all geared up to make a point and then I read something about bacon and lost all train of thought..... |
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05/12/2005 12:55:15 PM · #47 |
A kindred spirit. But with me, it's Turkey, uh oh...
turkey..turkey..turkey..turkey....
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I was all geared up to make a point and then I read something about bacon and lost all train of thought..... |
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05/12/2005 01:10:22 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by RulerZigzag:
 this was in my mind the best as far as emotion goes. It is something you usually see in a magazine, what a great shot it should of won. |
I also gave this one a ten. |
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05/12/2005 01:15:45 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by strangeghost:
A kindred spirit. But with me, it's Turkey, uh oh...
turkey..turkey..turkey..turkey....
Originally posted by GoldBerry:
I was all geared up to make a point and then I read something about bacon and lost all train of thought..... |
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Turkey is the new pork. And you can't feel bad about eating an animal that asks you to "gobble gobble". |
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05/12/2005 01:19:10 PM · #50 |
I enjoyed Pedro's photo. Thought it was funny, not disturbing and of excellent quality. It amused me that someone would go to that effort for the shot.
I also enjoyed Laurie's photo, but I scored Pedro's slightly higher.
The aimed gun photo I found disturbing, but a good photo nonetheless (and no Ken, I did not freak out over it either, so there : P) |
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