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03/07/2006 10:00:46 PM · #276 |
LETS SUMMARIZE
Those supporting it says:
- more details in photo
- better crops
Those against it says:
- had to scroll
- image theft
Did I left out anything else?
Seems like only few points get debated over and over again.
Lets just wait for the poll results, shall we? |
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03/07/2006 10:05:16 PM · #277 |
Originally posted by crayon: LETS SUMMARIZE
Those supporting it says:
- more details in photo
- better crops
Those against it says:
- had to scroll
- image theft
Did I left out anything else?
Seems like only few points get debated over and over again.
Lets just wait for the poll results, shall we? |
About sums it up. Hardly seems worth debating ;-)
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03/08/2006 02:59:25 AM · #278 |
I say nay for 800 pixels.
And thats not because of technical difficulties or because I'd have small screen. Its simply because 640px picture is enough already. Anyone with 17" monitor and below 1280x1024 resolution cannot catch the whole picture but only the few details there is. 800 pixels are way too big to view comfortably.
If we're talking only technically, yes. I could view 800 pixel picture with F11 and scrolling it to middle of the screen (1152x864 with 17"), but in normal situation even these 640 pictures fill the whole firefox' window.
Its just not appealing to have too big pictures. Sure you can view more details with bigger file and all, but its getting too big to gasp at once. You cannot see the whole "picture" but only the picture details - and what im saying is: thats only technically watching the picture, not viewing and evaluating it.
Most likely this been said already but had to spit my own gut in too. |
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03/08/2006 04:45:49 AM · #279 |
At any given monitor resolution, monitor size is irrelevant anyway. a 1024x768 is showing 1024x768 pixels regardless of the size of the screen it is used on; it's just that smaller screens render things so tiny at higher esolutions that you need to use lower resolutions to get things big enough to read.
I could get more "real estate" out my 1600x1200, 22-inch monitor by upping the resolution, but as it is the 640-pixel images are already too small for me :-) It's not just DPC either, it's a balancing act on everything we use. When i click "actual pixels" in the PS display after resizing, what I see on my screen is physically smaller than what someone with a lower-resolution monitor is seeing. So I have to blow the image up to simulate what they are seeing, it's always confusing and unpredictable. That's why I like prints :-)
R.
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03/08/2006 05:00:15 AM · #280 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: That's why I like prints :-) |
Then I recommend we vote on prints! Every week we will each get a photo-book with all the entries and 10 little checkboxes at the bottom of each for voting. They will come with a return envelope (postage paid) like NetFlix and we will send them to a group of people in Florida (known for their incredible ability to count ballots) to tally the scores.
Now... should the prints be 4x6? 5x7? 8x10?... |
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03/08/2006 05:05:08 AM · #281 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao: Then I recommend we vote on prints! Every week we will each get a photo-book with all the entries and 10 little checkboxes at the bottom of each for voting. |
And membership would cost ten-fold, and the postal services would be happy :p |
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03/08/2006 05:11:55 AM · #282 |
Yep give me 800!Love the Idea! |
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03/08/2006 05:29:33 AM · #283 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao: Originally posted by Bear_Music: That's why I like prints :-) |
Then I recommend we vote on prints! Every week we will each get a photo-book with all the entries and 10 little checkboxes at the bottom of each for voting. They will come with a return envelope (postage paid) like NetFlix and we will send them to a group of people in Florida (known for their incredible ability to count ballots) to tally the scores.
Now... should the prints be 4x6? 5x7? 8x10?... |
Hell, make 'em 16x20's; automate the whole process through DPC prints, and hire a staff to do the tallying and code the results. Truly revolutionary :-) At least we'd all be judging the same thing, anyway... Though, come to think of it, YOU probably would look at your print book under a glaring flourescent light in your mad-woody workshop while I, of course, would view them only under diffused, north skylight illumination, so we WOULDN'T be looking at the "same thing", would we?
jejejeâ¢
Robt.
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03/08/2006 05:32:30 AM · #284 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: YOU probably would look at your print book under a glaring flourescent light in your mad-woody workshop |
FYI, Mr. know it all - In my mad-woody workshop, I have a black light and sometimes a strobe light and sometimes I use both together. So I obviously have the viewing advantage. ;-) |
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03/08/2006 05:57:54 AM · #285 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao: Originally posted by Bear_Music: YOU probably would look at your print book under a glaring flourescent light in your mad-woody workshop |
FYI, Mr. know it all - In my mad-woody workshop, I have a black light and sometimes a strobe light and sometimes I use both together. So I obviously have the viewing advantage. ;-) |
I guess a workshop strobe light makes sense for an old fart who's still using his flickering, 12-year old Samsung 14-inch monitor to surf the 'net and (unfortunately) score our challenge entries...
Robt.
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03/08/2006 05:58:46 AM · #286 |
I don't mind too much which size we go with but the frustrating part for me is the slow load times of images when voting.
Having said that, I'm quite happy to go to bigger dimensions as long as the filesize limit of 150K stays.
cheers,
bazz. |
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03/08/2006 05:59:41 AM · #287 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music: only under diffused, north skylight illumination ... |
At what specific time of day, Robert? |
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03/08/2006 07:50:01 AM · #288 |
Originally posted by e301: Originally posted by Bear_Music: only under diffused, north skylight illumination ... |
At what specific time of day, Robert? |
With my north skylights it doesn't much matter, anywhere from an hour after sunrise to an hour before sunset is about the same on a clear day. At least in the winter...
Robt.
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03/08/2006 09:30:32 AM · #289 |
Originally posted by jadin: My "wish" is for both sizes. Not server resized. So this is a mute point. I realize there is a lot to read, but I've been repeating myself since post one. |
Whether you upload two different size files or the website automatically displays two different sizes, the problem still exists. The voters would be viewing two different images. And if the two are not different enough for us to be concerned about this, what's the advantage of the larger size?
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03/08/2006 09:40:50 AM · #290 |
The whole point is that anyone with a 'newer' monitor is viewing at larger resolutions. Making a 640 image very difficult to see. I'll buy those who need a new monitor one if they pay for my laser eye surgery. |
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03/08/2006 09:48:10 AM · #291 |
Originally posted by jadin: The whole point is that anyone with a 'newer' monitor is viewing at larger resolutions. Making a 640 image very difficult to see. I'll buy those who need a new monitor one if they pay for my laser eye surgery. |
If it's such a problem for you why don't you just set your screen resolution to 1024 x 768?
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03/08/2006 09:57:33 AM · #292 |
Originally posted by coolhar: Originally posted by jadin: My "wish" is for both sizes. Not server resized. So this is a mute point. I realize there is a lot to read, but I've been repeating myself since post one. |
Whether you upload two different size files or the website automatically displays two different sizes, the problem still exists. The voters would be viewing two different images. And if the two are not different enough for us to be concerned about this, what's the advantage of the larger size? |
If you have 1 voter with a resolution of 1024 and 1 voter with a resolution of 1280 both voting on an image of 640 then they would also be voting on differnt images, as the image would be larger on the 1024 screen.
The only way they would be the same is if those using 1024 can choose the 640 option and those using 1280 can choose the 800 option. Well they would still be differnt, but at least it would be closer.
Message edited by author 2006-03-08 10:00:02. |
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03/08/2006 10:07:16 AM · #293 |
How difficult would it be to code in the option to have files uploaded at 800x800, (150k file size), displayed at 640x640 with an added right click option to zoom in on the photo if you want to see it full size?
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03/08/2006 10:09:12 AM · #294 |
Originally posted by Prism: How difficult would it be to code in the option to have files uploaded at 800x800, (150k file size), displayed at 640x640 with an added right click option to zoom in on the photo if you want to see it full size? |
Very easy to resize automatically using Imagemagick, but people will not like the photo's being automatically resized. |
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03/08/2006 02:47:35 PM · #295 |
Don't know about the rest of you suggesting this auto-resizing business, but i personally take a lot of time and care when i resize. At 640 i spend quite a long time ensuring the sharpening is just right on my image at that resolution. If it's advanced, once i've resized and sharpened, i have one last check for anything that needs cloning.
I would be very upset indeed if i'd spent all this time and effort on an 800 pixel image, just to have some moronic script interpolate it down to 640, losing tons of detail and sharpness not to mention my carefully tuned sharpening work... and to think that some would vote on this machine-produced image, while others vote on my actual artwork, upsets me somewhat. And it should upset you too if you care about how people view your art.
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03/10/2006 09:01:30 PM · #296 |
I voted for 640. But I would vote for or unlimited filesize.
The Viewing is best for most monitors with max file size 640x640 but the restraining part, 150 KB is just to destroy a perfectly good picture.
I just uploaded to my portfolio a picture of a mountain. It is 640x480 but 235 KB in size. If I would take it down to 150 KB all sharpness would disappear.
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03/10/2006 09:07:01 PM · #297 |
Would it be too awkward to have a 640 height limit but 800 width? That way we can have slightly bigger pictures but it would avoid the scrolling problem. Apologies if it's already been suggested, haven't had time to go thru 12 pages!!
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03/10/2006 09:43:22 PM · #298 |
Originally posted by reevey: Would it be too awkward to have a 640 height limit but 800 width? That way we can have slightly bigger pictures but it would avoid the scrolling problem. Apologies if it's already been suggested, haven't had time to go thru 12 pages!! |
Wouldn't that give advantage to landscape orientations over portrait?
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03/10/2006 10:29:33 PM · #299 |
Originally posted by cpanaioti: Originally posted by reevey: Would it be too awkward to have a 640 height limit but 800 width? That way we can have slightly bigger pictures but it would avoid the scrolling problem. Apologies if it's already been suggested, haven't had time to go thru 12 pages!! |
Wouldn't that give advantage to landscape orientations over portrait? |
Yep...and it's all been discussed a few pages back. ;^)
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03/10/2006 10:37:14 PM · #300 |
Originally posted by jadin: The whole point is that anyone with a 'newer' monitor is viewing at larger resolutions. Making a 640 image very difficult to see. I'll buy those who need a new monitor one if they pay for my laser eye surgery. |
I'm on 1600x1200 and 640x640 images look good on my monitor. I don't need to see skin pours the size of grapefruits to determine a photo is good or not. :)
Message edited by author 2006-03-10 22:37:42. |
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