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 04/27/2005 06:28:07 PM · #51
Originally posted by ph223048:
You should read the definition of minimalism.

Maybe you should read the challenge details? Y'know, the bit where it tells us what to shoot.
 04/27/2005 06:29:26 PM · #52
Originally posted by bod:
My voting method on this one ...

(BAD) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD)


Strange that is my method too.
 04/27/2005 06:31:41 PM · #53
Originally posted by ph223048:
I would like to say this. In order for one to vote on this subject, one must understand the definition. Minimalism is defined as a style or technique (as in music, literature, or design) that is characterized by extreme spareness and simplicity. How would a fly on a white wall rate, no matter where he lands on the wall? It is simple and provides extreme spareness and simplicity. Another image that would be good is something focused with a subject with the entire back ground and foreground blurred out. This still provides Extreme spareness and simplicity, but I will say black and whit are the easiest two ways to provide extreme spareness in any form of art.


Minimalism was the name of the challenge; the discription defines what the challenge is...The discription is barely minimalism, left open to interpetation to which has been varied. (we all determined this earlier, I just thought I would summerize)
 04/27/2005 06:33:44 PM · #54
I always use the same system of awarding points for challenges that I have entered.

1 if I want it to be first.
2 if I want it to be second.
3 if I want it to be third.
4 if I want it to be fourth.
5 if I want it to be fifth.
6 if I want it to be sixth.
7 if I want it to be seventh.
8 if I want it to be eighth.
9 if I want it to be nineth.
10 if I want it to be last.

So far in Minimalism I have found 492 first place getters
 04/27/2005 06:33:54 PM · #55
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by ph223048:
You should read the definition of minimalism.

Maybe you should read the challenge details? Y'know, the bit where it tells us what to shoot.


And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?
 04/27/2005 06:36:14 PM · #56
Originally posted by rex:
Originally posted by bod:
My voting method on this one ...

(BAD) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD)


Strange that is my method too.


Ditto and the correct one.
 04/27/2005 06:42:00 PM · #57
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by bod:
Originally posted by ph223048:
You should read the definition of minimalism.

Maybe you should read the challenge details? Y'know, the bit where it tells us what to shoot.


And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?

To sit it out.
 04/27/2005 06:44:43 PM · #58
I have just finished my first sweep of the entries and it seems to me,challenge topic aside, many people are forgetting the main reason for these challenges,that is to produce decent, in focus, well composed images.
I had to say it because my method of voting has not changed and I seem to be voting lower and awarding less points than I used to.
Whether this is down to the many new members we have that are " learning the ropes" I don't know, I hope so.
Just a few thoughts, please don't take this the wrong way, I have learned much here and appreciate all the help I have had to improve my photography.
Sorry this turned into a rant but I feel it is on topic for this thread.
Paul.
 04/27/2005 06:46:08 PM · #59
Originally posted by zeuszen:

And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?


for everybody to pm d&l at the same time and get them to write a challenge description that actually agrees with its title - which is exactly what we should have done this time.
 04/27/2005 07:07:01 PM · #60
Originally posted by skiprow:

i have a highly digitized measure-a-tron... it's called my thumb. if your subject fits under my thumb, it is minimal. if it comes out from under my thumb, i start to take points away.


Make sure you put your thumb as close to your eye as possible ;)
 04/27/2005 07:20:38 PM · #61
If you want to take a picture of a white dot on a black background, I do not think you need a dslr or photoshop or technique or skill. You may win this contest, but you will learn nothing that I would want to know.

If you want to take a picture where the subject is small in respect to the entire image, what are you going to do with the rest of the space? If you choose to leave it uninteresting in order for anyone to notice your otherwise unenticing subject, you may win this contest, but again you will learn nothing that I would want to know.

I on the other hand learned something I wanted to know. That is I needed to learn about color management of color spaces in photoshop before submitting pictures to challenges. My picture somewhat sucks on its own merits, not just because it does not meet everyone's interpretation of the challenge.

I have not started voting yet, but I think I will follow skiprow's sensible guidelines, even if they may be tongue in cheek.
 04/27/2005 07:24:11 PM · #62
I believe that words have meaning and I use them in that fashion. However, it is the description of the challenge that matters and not the title. Blame the bad title on a writer who assumed the broadest interpretation of the word. Yet, I think that we keep going over terrain more as an indulgence of verbal execise.

You see, the object of challenges is to create an excuse so as to have a theme in which to compete. While the theme is important for the integrity of the challenge, the major focus is more on the art of photography. Everybody wants to be an expert on what fits and does not fit. Some are so closed minded that they miss some very creative attempts. It is all interpretation. I repeat, you enter your image and then you see what other people did with same subject and equipment and notice how these other photographers's images run circles around yours. It happens to us all. Well, the same thing happens with interpretations, there are some off the wall but then there are some that do not fit your way of thinking but they are valid. It all depends from which facet you are approaching the matter.

My advise is vote to whatever capacity you posses but remember that others are liable to exceed your capacity. Challenges should never be subject to the strict rules of logic. Logic creates nothing but points of view and then these points of view are subject to criticism.
 04/27/2005 07:32:23 PM · #63
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
I believe that words have meaning and I use them in that fashion. However, it is the description of the challenge that matters and not the title. Blame the bad title on a writer who assumed the broadest interpretation of the word. Yet, I think that we keep going over terrain more as an indulgence of verbal execise.

You see, the object of challenges is to create an excuse so as to have a theme in which to compete. While the theme is important for the integrity of the challenge, the major focus is more on the art of photography. Everybody wants to be an expert on what fits and does not fit. Some are so closed minded that they miss some very creative attempts. It is all interpretation. I repeat, you enter your image and then you see what other people did with same subject and equipment and notice how these other photographers's images run circles around yours. It happens to us all. Well, the same thing happens with interpretations, there are some off the wall but then there are some that do not fit your way of thinking but they are valid. It all depends from which facet you are approaching the matter.

My advise is vote to whatever capacity you posses but remember that others are liable to exceed your capacity. Challenges should never be subject to the strict rules of logic. Logic creates nothing but points of view and then these points of view are subject to criticism.


Now, that we have meaningful words but no more logic to apply them to a syntax, you leave us no choice but to agree with everything you left us to consider. :-(
04/27/2005 07:44:48 PM · #64
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by zeuszen:

And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?


for everybody to pm d&l at the same time and get them to write a challenge description that actually agrees with its title - which is exactly what we should have done this time.


Simply read the description not just the title!!
 04/27/2005 07:58:25 PM · #65
I am new to the site an have been enjoying it. This challenge my entry was not my best, it met the challenge but due to my challenged skills and equipment the final result was not brillant, and fair enough is reflected in my score. I am however very puzzled about the way some are scoring, it is very discouraging when you get coments like the following and voted a 1 when you see some of the other entries;
"Urgh, great photo if it was taken with a longer lens, on a tripod, in better weather, and it looks like there is smudges on the CCD. Sorry, there is just a lot of things wrong with this photo. 1" and yet the majority of comments clearly say I have met the challenge.

It seems to me there is a scale 1-10, if you give me a 1 for technicals not been perfect what on earth do you give a photo which clearly does not meet the challenge and is technically poor?
A site like this is great when we can encorage one another rather than put down. My 2 cents worth.
Steve
 04/27/2005 08:26:54 PM · #66
Why is everyone making a big deal out of this??...the challenge description says:

"Create an image where your subject is the strong point of the image, but only occupying a very small portion of the image space."

Now vote according to what was "required"...then on how well it was done, how much you like it, composition, etc....

It does not say in the description that:
* The other meaning of minimalism must be in the photo
* Can't be a macro
* Etc...Etc...Etc...

Message edited by author 2005-04-27 20:27:12.
 04/27/2005 08:37:25 PM · #67
Originally posted by Steveinnz:
"Urgh, great photo if it was taken with a longer lens, on a tripod, in better weather, and it looks like there is smudges on the CCD. Sorry, there is just a lot of things wrong with this photo. 1" and yet the majority of comments clearly say I have met the challenge.

It seems to me there is a scale 1-10, if you give me a 1 for technicals not been perfect what on earth do you give a photo which clearly does not meet the challenge and is technically poor?
A site like this is great when we can encorage one another rather than put down. My 2 cents worth.
Steve


We don't where they come from___ (probably don't have cameras). But they must be some awesomely perfect photograhers. Don't take them to heart, since they obviously don't have one. On the other hand... (there is always another hand) These commenters think they are helping (maybe)and thats what we are here for... help.

Message edited by author 2005-04-27 20:38:04.
 04/28/2005 02:14:10 AM · #68
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by zeuszen:

And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?


for everybody to pm d&l at the same time and get them to write a challenge description that actually agrees with its title - which is exactly what we should have done this time.


Simply read the description not just the title!!


Why not the title?
 04/28/2005 02:30:10 AM · #69
Personally, my criteria for voting this challenge is : any photo not containing flying monkeys in tuxedos will get no higher than a 2 from me!!!

...and I think that is allowing a LOT of leeway for intrepretation I might add.
04/28/2005 03:07:42 AM · #70
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by keegbow:
Originally posted by Beetle:
Originally posted by zeuszen:

And what would your advice be, if the challenge topic was "High-Key" and the description prompted us to take a "Low-key" photo?


for everybody to pm d&l at the same time and get them to write a challenge description that actually agrees with its title - which is exactly what we should have done this time.


Simply read the description not just the title!!


Why not the title?


Because the title does not tell you what is expected of you in the challenge.

If you went by the title in every challenge you wouldn't score very well.
 04/28/2005 03:16:43 AM · #71
to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame". More, there is a jury that decides this, apparently it is not anyone else's job; and, giving 3 or low notes to whatever photo ONE think doesn't meet ONE's interpretation of the challenge is totally unfair. Read the challenge, vote accordingly: and, please, restrain from voting on any more of my pictures until you will understand what you are doing.
V.
04/28/2005 03:22:18 AM · #72
Originally posted by vbd70:
to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame".
V.

But what if the subject, (although occupying a small portion of the frame), isn't "the strong point of the image" ?
How do you fairly assess the entry ?

bazz.
 04/28/2005 05:33:39 AM · #73
Originally posted by ph223048:
How lazy of a rule that is!

you nailed me here. i'm one of the laziest around

Originally posted by bod:
My voting method on this one ...

(BAD) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD)


mine is SO very similar
(BAD = bigger than thumb) << 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 >> (GOOD = fits under thumb)

Originally posted by sir_bazz:
But what if the subject, (although occupying a small portion of the frame), isn't "the strong point of the image" ?
How do you fairly assess the entry ?

i only am using one thumb. if i can't figure out what to put my thumb over, i assume the whole image is the subject, and score it a 1
 04/28/2005 05:39:21 AM · #74
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
Originally posted by vbd70:
to me this is very simple: if you read the challenge, it says "subject occupy a small portion of the frame".
V.

But what if the subject, (although occupying a small portion of the frame), isn't "the strong point of the image" ?
How do you fairly assess the entry ?

bazz.


If it's not the strong point, then I'd score it a 4. I feel 5 and up are for shots that meet the challenge.
 04/28/2005 06:23:18 AM · #75
Originally posted by sir_bazz:
But what if the subject, (although occupying a small portion of the frame), isn't "the strong point of the image" ?
How do you fairly assess the entry ?

Originally posted by skiprow:
i only am using one thumb. if i can't figure out what to put my thumb over, i assume the whole image is the subject, and score it a 1


Can you do this test on the thumbnails? I would appreciate it! ;)

d

edit:I really shouldn't be doing this this early in the AM

Message edited by author 2005-04-28 06:24:43.
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