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04/10/2003 11:33:24 PM · #1 |
I have to take a break from voting on the "Color" challenge. I just scored a decent photograph with an awful border. It was all I could do to keep from giving it a -1 (which I wish I could do some times). I have seen about two photographs where the border enhanced the image. A few where the image does not detract. And many where the border detracts and sometimes ruins the image.
The initial impression is so important. I ultimately gave the image a 6, but I almost punched the 1 without looking further.
The border should have a purpose. It should not be used just because ...
Dennis Ranting
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04/10/2003 11:39:43 PM · #2 |
| I have certainly marked many more pictures DOWN for a bad border than I have marked UP for a good one. |
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04/11/2003 12:08:18 AM · #3 |
Glad I just don't use em. I would rather have the photo judged and critiqued. Yes, a border can sometimes make it look better (I think this may come from getting the "it is framed" look), but I would rather save that for DPC Prints, even though I only put on a white border.
I have a problem with the colors of the frames sometimes. Matching a color in the photo is the idea I guess. Something that gets me is, I keep noticing that my deep blue skys in PSE 2, turns into a more cyan colored blue with the web-only colors, and I would hate to have that happen in a frame.
I won't mark down a pic with a frame, unless it is absolutely horrendous and is more the focus than the picture.
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04/11/2003 12:21:10 AM · #4 |
| I agree with you (dacrazyrn), I rarely use borders myself or mark down for them unless they are really bad and detract from the photo, in which case I usually leave a comment stating that. And I rarely mark UP for using them unless they really compliment the pic, which I have seen a few times. |
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04/11/2003 12:26:42 AM · #5 |
I actually like some borders, but I have to agree that many borders go too far. When you think that your image is being set against a gray background, most images do not look all that great against gray. A modest border can really help add zip to an image.
However, if you bring up an image and you immediately think: This has a border!, it is probably detracting from it. I really don't care for multiple color borders either. That usually means they are too thick. But I almost always have a small border, just to make the image pop more from the screen. |
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04/11/2003 05:55:08 AM · #6 |
I think the adantage of a border is that it places your image against the colour you choose, rather than (as David's pointed out) grey. I rarely use them, though I'd emply a small black border for a dark shot, or white for a very light one.
However, I never print a shot without a white border - who knows what colour the wall or frames going to be?
E
PS. Your absolutley right though Dennis, in re the colour challenge.
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04/11/2003 06:37:48 AM · #7 |
I was editing my weather entry the other night when the missus got home from work. I had the unbordered version on one screen and the bordered version on another. Her first words were 'I can see why you add a border now'.
I agree that a border can be done badly, but I don't add a border so that someone will consciously vote my shot up because of it, I add one when it frames the image better than the grey background on the voting page does. |
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04/11/2003 06:45:28 AM · #8 |
| Should a bad border get a mark of 1? No! What is more important the border or the photograph? The photograph. I personally disregard all bad borders I see, and will vote only on the photograph itself. I will tell someone when they have a border I don't agree with but I certainly won't mark it down. |
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04/11/2003 06:51:17 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Ricky Cleave:
Should a bad border get a mark of 1? No! What is more important the border or the photograph? The photograph. I personally disregard all bad borders I see, and will vote only on the photograph itself. I will tell someone when they have a border I don't agree with but I certainly won't mark it down. |
I totally agree ! :)
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04/11/2003 07:04:07 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by scab-lab:
Originally posted by Ricky Cleave:
Should a bad border get a mark of 1? No! What is more important the border or the photograph? The photograph. I personally disregard all bad borders I see, and will vote only on the photograph itself. I will tell someone when they have a border I don't agree with but I certainly won't mark it down. |
I totally agree ! :) |
I agree too, but in the same way that a good border can make an image look better surely a bad border can make it look worse, no matter how much you try to ignore it.
I have never consciously marked down (or up) for a border, despite initially thinking I would (my reasoning - it's part of the submitted image), but when you have a 2 second window to make an impression on many of the voters you don't want them to have to start trying to ignore borders. |
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12/23/2008 01:13:17 AM · #11 |
Borders are only bad because somebody says they are bad so everybody thinks they must be bad. Kinda like one little kid not liking peas because they heard some other little kid say they didn't like peas.
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12/23/2008 02:10:01 AM · #12 |
| Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
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12/23/2008 03:19:46 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
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12/23/2008 04:23:24 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
I thought they mostly come at night? Mostly.
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12/23/2008 04:38:41 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
I thought they mostly come at night? Mostly. |
it depends what your coordinates are.
//crayon is programming yanko's co-ords into his nuclear warhead missles |
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12/23/2008 06:53:17 AM · #16 |
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
I thought they mostly come at night? Mostly. |
Which leads us to the question: If you "mostly" took a picture of Edgar Winter would you or would you not use a border and if so, what color?
Message edited by author 2008-12-23 07:02:47. |
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12/23/2008 08:27:04 AM · #17 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
I thought they mostly come at night? Mostly. |
Which leads us to the question: If you "mostly" took a picture of Edgar Winter would you or would you not use a border and if so, what color? |
White, of course! |
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12/23/2008 08:32:42 AM · #18 |
| The necormancers are alive and well I see. |
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12/23/2008 08:33:57 AM · #19 |
Originally posted by pawdrix:
Originally posted by yanko:
Originally posted by Art Roflmao:
Originally posted by Mick:
Where do you guys find these dead threads? |
The badliness of borders is ageless. (Mostly) |
I thought they mostly come at night? Mostly. |
Which leads us to the question: If you "mostly" took a picture of Edgar Winter would you or would you not use a border and if so, what color? |
Bloodshot red! |
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12/23/2008 08:41:24 AM · #20 |
Originally posted by Jac:
The necormancers are alive and well I see. |
Then again, it might get dq'd for adding a vignette! |
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12/23/2008 09:43:10 AM · #21 |
Originally posted by yanko:
... they mostly come at night? Mostly. |
Hehe. |
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