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 03/23/2005 06:08:54 PM · #26
Originally posted by AJAger:
BTW, you mention that the camera contrast was set to low. I'm not sure that this actually affects the RAW file itself ...


You are completely right, of course, Alan: haven't quite settled into the mind-set yet. Mind you, in camera sharpening definitiely has an effect on the RAW file, certainly with my camera ...

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 03/23/2005 07:00:37 PM · #27
Has anyone done any exhaustive comparisons between Adobe CameraRaw and RawShooter?

In my limited experience with them (I just tried RSE again today) I still prefer CameraRaw. Is it just me?

I would definitely recommend RSE to anyone who doesn't have PhotoShop CS, but if you already have CS ... it just seems to me like I'm getting better quality out of it.
03/25/2005 02:02:20 AM · #28
Originally posted by jbsmithana:
I downloaded it last night but have not had a chance to try it yet. It looks pretty intuitive so we'll see. And I just spent $100 on Nikon Capture 4 to do RAW! Darn. So far Nikon Capture seems a bit less intuitive. I'll try and remeber to post my opinion here at a lter date after trying both on a few photos.

BTW - great job on the cityscape. Very dramatic.


I just finished running a batch through RSE tonight. As someone who is new to RAW and does not have PS CE I found this quite simple. I also have been trying Nikon Capture 4 ($100!!!) but find it pretty crueling on my computer as it is very slow.

What I found the most helpful was the 72 page User Guide. this was probably the simplest explanation on processing RAW files I have found. After reading it I was able to process files without hesitation and RSE worked smoothly and without bogging down my computer, even when batch converting and saving the files in the background and working on new ones.

So, for now it seems to be a keeper for this simple minded guy. Thanks for the heads up and link.
03/25/2005 04:01:04 AM · #29
Originally posted by e301:
David, you can automate the process of opening up your processed images into your editor: in my case, once the image is through the batch processing, it opens in PSP - for cropping, deformation, perspective or lens correction, selective editing &c; if I have PSP up and running, this just becomes the last part of the workflow.

David is my twin brother, but he don't look like me.

I'm aware of the ability to duct tape an external editor to the process, but you keep sellin'; I still ain't buyin'. I find it disruptive for the purposes of workflow. When I want that much trouble or care enough about an image, I'll use ACR anyway.

I think cropping is very important in a standalone RAW converter. ACR gets away with it as it's a PS plugin. I also don't like that the tonal adjustments don't really mean anything until you try them out.

For free RSE is a dream, but Bibble offers a complete package at a very competitive price. RSE and Bibble both still suck at long exposures and clipping, but RSE doesn't seem to get the colour right after a simple WB adjustment (e.g. no flash under fluorescent lighting).
 03/25/2005 09:18:43 AM · #30
i downloaded it and entered all the info but it wont run..everytime i try to open or run it, it asks for all my info again
 03/25/2005 09:56:07 AM · #31
Well it runs fine for me but the user guide won't open so it doesn't do me much good. I can't figure out how to get a stored picture over there.
 03/25/2005 10:06:47 AM · #32
Originally posted by IceRock:
I cant find it can be used in mac and if I am right, since it is not made for mac I second it is good, most professional work in mac !

icerock


You're quite right, ice. It's Windows only.
 03/25/2005 11:06:29 AM · #33
do i have to have a certain photoshop to run this program? i have windows so i cant figure out why it wont run.
 03/25/2005 01:20:11 PM · #34
Can anyone help me figure out how to get my pictures to even show up with this software?
 03/25/2005 04:39:41 PM · #35
I'm no expert as I just downloaded a few days ago but RSE is a standalone Windows program. It should read the files directly if you point it to the correct directory (as long as your camera is supported and don't ask me which ones are), at least it did my D70 RAW files. You need Adobe Acrobat Reader (free) to read the User Guide.
03/25/2005 04:56:15 PM · #36
It is reading the files but they are not showing up. I have to open them in explorer and then drag them to RAW so instead of having a slideshow, I get one photo at a time. I don't know what I am doing wrong.
 03/25/2005 05:31:14 PM · #37
Originally posted by kaharper:
Well it runs fine for me but the user guide won't open so it doesn't do me much good. I can't figure out how to get a stored picture over there.


I know when I had ver. 1.1 installed, I had the same problem. You can download the manual from their web site here. (I haven't tried opening the manual from ver. 1.1.1, and I don't have it installed here, so I don't know if that's fixed.)
 03/25/2005 05:34:19 PM · #38
Originally posted by queanbeez:
i downloaded it and entered all the info but it wont run..everytime i try to open or run it, it asks for all my info again


You can try searching their support forum, and/or posting the issue there. They claim to be very responsive to issues posted there, though I haven't had to test them myself yet. But I did find some answers to some issues and questions I had there.
 03/25/2005 05:48:29 PM · #39
Originally posted by kaharper:
It is reading the files but they are not showing up. I have to open them in explorer and then drag them to RAW so instead of having a slideshow, I get one photo at a time. I don't know what I am doing wrong.


RSE has 5 different screen modes. Maybe you are in one that does not show the thumbnails. Try pressing Alt 4. YOu should see the directories on your harddrive to the left, the thumbnails in the chosen directory at the top and then a work screen below that. Navagate and click on the directory your RAW files are in and click on it. The thumbnails should then show at the top of the screen.
 03/25/2005 06:01:22 PM · #40
This is what I see: The directories to my hard drive on the left. I do not see any thumbnails above, even though that is the way it is set up. I click on the folders where my pictures are stored and nothing happens. I have run out of ideas. I am hoping my husband can figure it out. Thanks for your help though.
 03/25/2005 06:05:00 PM · #41
Originally posted by kaharper:
This is what I see: The directories to my hard drive on the left. I do not see any thumbnails above, even though that is the way it is set up. I click on the folders where my pictures are stored and nothing happens. I have run out of ideas. I am hoping my husband can figure it out. Thanks for your help though.


No problem. Just one final check. You should see the empty box (banner) where the thumbnails would be. If not then maybe you have resized the work area to cover the tumbnail area. Each area of the screen is able to be resized by dragging the borders. Good luck.
03/25/2005 06:52:35 PM · #42
Originally posted by dwoolridge:
For free RSE is a dream, but Bibble offers a complete package at a very competitive price. RSE and Bibble both still suck at long exposures and clipping, but RSE doesn't seem to get the colour right after a simple WB adjustment (e.g. no flash under fluorescent lighting).


I'm curious what, besides the ability to crop, makes Bibble a more complete package than RSE? (Not a challenge or smart-ass reponse, I really want to know what sets it apart.)

I had started the free 30 (?) day trial of Bibble right before RSE came out, and at the same time I was in the middle of the C1 LE trial. I really wanted to like Bibble, but got in trouble with it right away. Somehow I got the tool pallettes screwed up, and ended up with them all over the UI. I could never keep the tools open and easily accessable without them taking up litterally half of the window, leaving an unusably small area for the image and thumbnails. And there didn't seem to be any way to restore it to how it was when I installed it. So I never got to the point that I could evaluate other aspects of the interface, because every time I opened it I ended up fighting with the tools and got frustrated.

Two things about the UI that stand out for me with RSE are:

- The speed when viewing previews and making changes. C1 LE in particular was very sluggish, to the point of annoyance; I don't remember specifically how slow Bibble was, but it seems it had to have been noticably slower than RSE since my evaluation of the two overlapped.

- RSE seems to be the only one of these packages that lets you review your pictures in a slideshow, with reasonable response, and categorize and discard pictures as you review them.

Message edited by author 2005-03-25 18:59:41.
 03/25/2005 06:56:30 PM · #43
Originally posted by kaharper:
This is what I see: The directories to my hard drive on the left. I do not see any thumbnails above, even though that is the way it is set up. I click on the folders where my pictures are stored and nothing happens. I have run out of ideas. I am hoping my husband can figure it out. Thanks for your help though.


You're camera's not supported. :(

There's a list of supported cameras at the bottom of this post.
 03/25/2005 07:47:08 PM · #44
Well that stinks. At least I am able to drag and drop the pictures so it is semi useful.
 03/26/2005 02:06:57 PM · #45
Originally posted by ScottK:
I'm curious what, besides the ability to crop, makes Bibble a more complete package than RSE? (Not a challenge or smart-ass reponse, I really want to know what sets it apart.)

Curves (master/R/G/B) incl. std. W/G/Bk droppers, color sliders, mutliple/customizable batch targets (simultaneous or single keypress access) (e.g. simple web and print output). It doesn't do multi-space output, which is really too bad.

I agree that Bibble's UI has major elements of suckage. Being able to arrange logical boxes/windows of tools isn't so attractive to me, but making it so I have access to many tools without them taking image space away is important. RSE might be slightly faster than Bibble, but both are extremely fast.

RSE's UI is super slick and I love it. The snapshot feature is a great idea. Slideshow is very cool, especially when combined with the simple 1-2-3 rating system.

Really, I love RSE, but I was just pointing out that despite all that goodness, there are people that won't use it just because it can't do certain things (e.g. cropping) and they like to stick to a single tool for major batch work. App flipping is a little lame for simple tasks and cropping is a very simple task.

I'd like to see the colour/clipping/long-exposure issues resolved. Otherwise, it's just a pony with a strap-on rocket.
 04/03/2005 05:42:46 AM · #46
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
I downloaded it and played around with it a bit. For a free tool, its definitely nice. Is the sharpening function disabled in this version?


No, it's active. To use it, you first have to zoom in using the magnifier button on the bottom right of the screen, which give a 100% view. They are reasoning that you need to zoom in that much to sharpen, extract details, and then smooth the color noise.

I've only had the free Canon Eos viewer and had been using only JPEG and Photoshop elements due to workflow and not a hugh image quality improvement. Since RSE, I seem to be only shoot in RAW now, and think the increased time in workflow is worth it from the images I'm getting.

Message edited by author 2005-04-03 05:44:43.
 05/03/2005 05:23:01 PM · #47
I was just reading Petteri's review of Twinkles and noticed that he's using RSE these days. He notes that RSE does automatic CA reduction, so I had to see for myself. Sure enough, it's true. For anyone interested, here's a collection of various conversions, all 100% crops upscaled to 400% using the same interpolation (bicubic sharper). The straight 100% crops are here.

The crop is from the middle of the right edge of a photo taken with the Sigma 15mm fisheye.

For convenience, here are the thumbs:
ACR (CA not fixed) ACR (CA fixed)
BIB (std. fringe correction) BIB (strong fringe correction)
RSE (automatic CA correction)

Sharpening/detail extraction was turned off/down as much as possible in each application. Despite that, RSE seems to have done something to the edges. All the other conversions were soft, as expected, except RSE.
 05/03/2005 05:33:12 PM · #48
Have any of you found the 'apperance' option to be useful at all ? Anything other than 'flat look' seems to be terrible on any image I've tried it upon. Could just be me not knowing what I'm doing though.
 05/03/2005 05:49:56 PM · #49
Originally posted by Gordon:
Have any of you found the 'apperance' option to be useful at all ? Anything other than 'flat look' seems to be terrible on any image I've tried it upon. Could just be me not knowing what I'm doing though.


I love the appearence option. I like the way you can view the histogram as you select.The "indoor strong" seems to ad contrast and is quite good for underexposed images.
 05/03/2005 11:14:03 PM · #50
Originally posted by Gordon:
Have any of you found the 'apperance' option to be useful at all ? Anything other than 'flat look' seems to be terrible on any image I've tried it upon. Could just be me not knowing what I'm doing though.


The thing I've found with it is that the appearance items might as well be called 'one', 'two', 'three', as the given names don't mean a whole hell of a lot. Colour fidelity is more lacking in RSE and it seems to do too much even when the settings are effectively "off". It's generally not made clear either that for some of the settings (e.g. sharpness) the smallest value (-50 or whatever it is) is actually the way to get sharpening "off" (or as close as they'll make it); the 0 setting (default) does quite a bit of sharpening.

I like the interface but the image quality overall isn't really as good as Bibble even. ACR is still the best in terms of overall control and quality (I don't have/use C1). The CS2 version is so much better from a workflow perspective: Being able to apply subtle finishing touch tonal curves is great (I'm pretty sure C1 could do this all along and Bibble might be able to do it, but the Bibble interface is cumbersome at best).
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