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02/11/2005 10:46:07 AM · #1 |
| Which is better? I already get PC Photo delivered, but I can get either of the two above at discount. I'll probably end up getting both eventually, but for now just one. Thanks. |
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02/11/2005 10:49:17 AM · #2 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
Which is better? I already get PC Photo delivered, but I can get either of the two above at discount. I'll probably end up getting both eventually, but for now just one. Thanks. |
Better for what?
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02/11/2005 10:51:34 AM · #3 |
| Reviews, basic info, more for digital than film. |
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02/11/2005 10:58:50 AM · #4 |
Shutterbug is almost completely ads.
Of the two, Pop Photo is better, if for no other reason than they have fewer ads and the majority are relegated to the back of the mag.
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02/11/2005 11:01:24 AM · #5 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
Reviews, basic info, more for digital than film. |
As far as the reviews go it' all BS. Both mags do reveiws and both mags make the predominant amount of their revenue selling advertizing space to the companies whose products they happen to be reviewing. If you just want to know what's new and what kind of prices the products will sell for, digital tecniques, and that kind of information, then Shutterbug would have to be more complete.
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02/11/2005 11:02:25 AM · #6 |
Isn't most of this stuff available online now?
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02/11/2005 11:14:56 AM · #7 |
Speaking of which, check out the winner of the photojournalism category in the 2004 photo contest at Popphoto.com...it's just incredible.
1st place - Photojournalism
The same guy also won 2nd prize in the same category!
Message edited by author 2005-02-11 11:15:54.
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02/11/2005 11:18:22 AM · #8 |
I get Popular Photography and really like the regular section called "The Fix" that shows you how to fix problems in your photos either when you reshoot or in post processing. It's answered a lot of questions for me and taught me some neat tricks. It makes it worth the $12.00 or so I spend on it for a yearly subscription. :o)
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02/11/2005 11:19:40 AM · #9 |
Somebody go look at that link and react to it!
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02/11/2005 11:36:39 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
It's an image out of context.
Or were you looking for outrage?
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02/11/2005 11:36:46 AM · #11 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
That's sad... do you know where it is? |
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02/11/2005 11:39:47 AM · #12 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
It's an image out of context.
Or were you looking for outrage? |
Yes, I was looking for outrage. You've disappointed me, you counterintuitive rascal, you...
He was chained for disobedience in school...what makes you say it's out of context...do you know something that I don't?
Message edited by author 2005-02-11 11:40:35.
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02/11/2005 11:41:11 AM · #13 |
Originally posted by Telehubbie:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
That's sad... do you know where it is? |
Here's the context
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02/11/2005 11:49:16 AM · #14 |
I get PopPhoto via subscription. They are going more digital, but still do a good bit of film stuff.
I have picked up shutterbug at teh store a few times. I have not decided to subscribe..yet.
PopPhoto has monthly contests. I have yet to enter...lazy me.
//www.popphoto.com/article.asp?section_id=5&article_id=1225&page_number=1
is their Photographer of the Year contest...win $5000! It won't be easy, but then neither is DPC!
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02/11/2005 11:58:45 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
It's an image out of context.
Or were you looking for outrage? |
Yes, I was looking for outrage. You've disappointed me, you counterintuitive rascal, you...
He was chained for disobedience in school...what makes you say it's out of context...do you know something that I don't? |
The link you posted was to just the image. While on the surface, it is shocking to see a child in chains like that, it's also important to note that we view such things through the lens of our own society. What appalls us as Westerners may not be even mildly offensive to other societies. By the same token, what is not even mildly offensive to us as Westerners may deeply offend those in other societies. The only thing that is obvious is that the child is not a member of a Western society and is clearly not happy with being restrained. He does not appear to be in pain, nor does it seem that he has been beaten or physically abused.
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02/11/2005 12:00:35 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The link you posted was to just the image. While on the surface, it is shocking to see a child in chains like that, it's also important to note that we view such things through the lens of our own society. What appalls us as Westerners may not be even mildly offensive to other societies. By the same token, what is not even mildly offensive to us as Westerners may deeply offend those in other societies. The only thing that is obvious is that the child is not a member of a Western society and is clearly not happy with being restrained. He does not appear to be in pain, nor does it seem that he has been beaten or physically abused. |
Sure, I agree with you...you make it sound like a bad thing.
Photojournalism is there to tell me a story. It's the sadness/regret in his eyes, the composition, lighting and colour that makes this a winner in my eyes.
Do you disagree that this is an incredible photo?
Edited to add: Take a look at the second place image (also taken in Dhaka)...it's clear that the value they place on children and the role that they play is quite different than what I'm used to. It's a striking image.
Message edited by author 2005-02-11 12:02:57.
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02/11/2005 12:06:58 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
It's an image out of context.
Or were you looking for outrage? |
Yes, I was looking for outrage. You've disappointed me, you counterintuitive rascal, you...
He was chained for disobedience in school...what makes you say it's out of context...do you know something that I don't? |
The link you posted was to just the image. While on the surface, it is shocking to see a child in chains like that, it's also important to note that we view such things through the lens of our own society. What appalls us as Westerners may not be even mildly offensive to other societies. By the same token, what is not even mildly offensive to us as Westerners may deeply offend those in other societies. The only thing that is obvious is that the child is not a member of a Western society and is clearly not happy with being restrained. He does not appear to be in pain, nor does it seem that he has been beaten or physically abused. |
I agree...they've used chains which may seem harsh to us but is it much different than restricting your children from TV, their friends, the phone, etc. I think not. I am outraged but only because someone basically demanded "go look at that link and react to it!". Apparently some people just want to ensue anger with people or push their buttons. |
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02/11/2005 12:13:06 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
The link you posted was to just the image. While on the surface, it is shocking to see a child in chains like that, it's also important to note that we view such things through the lens of our own society. What appalls us as Westerners may not be even mildly offensive to other societies. By the same token, what is not even mildly offensive to us as Westerners may deeply offend those in other societies. The only thing that is obvious is that the child is not a member of a Western society and is clearly not happy with being restrained. He does not appear to be in pain, nor does it seem that he has been beaten or physically abused. |
Sure, I agree with you...you make it sound like a bad thing.
Photojournalism is there to tell me a story. It's the sadness/regret in his eyes, the composition, lighting and colour that makes this a winner in my eyes.
Do you disagree that this is an incredible photo?
Edited to add: Take a look at the second place image (also taken in Dhaka)...it's clear that the value they place on children and the role that they play is quite different than what I'm used to. It's a striking image. |
It is a great photo, but it doesn't spark outrage, it makes me want to know more.
You don't need a great photo to spark outrage. Look at the photos from Abu Ghraib, Rwanda or any number of man's atrocities past and present
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02/11/2005 12:18:13 PM · #19 |
Spazmo...you're the one who assumed I was looking for outrage and decided to respond to that assumption, rather than give me your thoughts on the photo (on it's own merits).
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02/11/2005 12:23:59 PM · #20 |
When we grew up and went to school
There were certain teachers who would
Hurt the children in any way they could
- Roger Waters
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02/11/2005 12:53:31 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by Spazmo99:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Somebody go look at that link and react to it! |
It's an image out of context.
Or were you looking for outrage? |
Yes, I was looking for outrage. You've disappointed me, you counterintuitive rascal, you...
He was chained for disobedience in school...what makes you say it's out of context...do you know something that I don't? |
You said right here that outrage was what you sought.
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02/11/2005 12:55:58 PM · #22 |
I must have forgotten my semi-colon and closing parenthesis to ensure that you understood my sarcasm. My remark about you being a counterintuitive rascal was made because of what I stated below; You seemed more interested in making sure you weren't duped into outrage than in actually enjoying the photograph.
Anyhow, you get the last word, if you wish. This thread was about publications and I made reference to a contest sponsored by one of those publications.
Message edited by author 2005-02-11 12:57:10.
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02/11/2005 03:25:17 PM · #23 |
Just a reminder, please try to keep the discussion fairly on-topic, or start a new thread...
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