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01/10/2005 10:57:20 PM · #1 |
This is the third time I've had my challenge submission torn to shreds, and the reasoning behind the low scores I can only guess by the comments which once again accuse me of using post production effects to counterfiet a photo.
I see so many incredible photos here, how is it that so many people lack the creativity to imagine that such effects can be created using photographic techniques rather than photoshop. I'm tired of this, no, it's not a filter, no, it's not a cut and paste job, even once I get my submissions verified, people don't re-vote, it just makes me nuts.
I've seen some seemingly impossible shots on here, but I try and figure out how such things can be accomplished, then watch when the challenge is over to hear the explaination.
Just because one does not understand how something is done, doesn't make it impossible. |
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01/10/2005 11:01:09 PM · #2 |
Sadly, some voters ignore the disqualification proceedure, which states that if they feel a photo violates the editing rules, they should recommend it for DQ review, *and vote as if it does not violate the rules*.
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01/10/2005 11:03:46 PM · #3 |
The comments were not mine - i don't vote on all the pics. I looked at your challenge entries - neat. I'll have to try that now that i have a camera capable of trying it with.
I feel your frustration. I don't ahve many comforting words, other than what i keep hearing 'If YOU like the picture, then that is all that matters.'
I really like my Bokeh entry..but at 5.05 or so score wise, i am about the only one.
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01/10/2005 11:09:13 PM · #4 |
Nope Prof, the Bokeh submission is the one that's being hammered. I have 6 comments, 3 from people who guessed my technique in their comment, and 3 from people claiming it doesn't fit the challenge because I appear to be using post production to manufacture a blur. I do like my photo, once again I was experimenting with new techniques, and I submitted my favorite from the experiments. I haven't entered a challenge for awhile, I forgot that it is frustrating as well as fun. Still more fun than frustrating though.
The flaw lies not with the policy kirbic, I think you've got that dead on. Assume the rules have been followed unless it's proven otherwise, at which time it'll be taken down properly. Torpedoing isn't necessary. |
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01/10/2005 11:12:04 PM · #5 |
Why the hell would anyone think post-production blurring was not acceptable in an advanced editing challenge? Sheesh...
Robt.
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01/10/2005 11:15:58 PM · #6 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Sadly, some voters ignore the disqualification proceedure, which states that if they feel a photo violates the editing rules, they should recommend it for DQ review, *and vote as if it does not violate the rules*. |
How can one ever enforce that logic.... and logic it is.
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01/10/2005 11:20:22 PM · #7 |
Why not just put "This photo is valid" under all challenge photos? Would people get the point that the photo is 100% valid until it's been proven otherwise?
Message edited by author 2005-01-10 23:23:11.
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01/10/2005 11:26:33 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Why not just put "This photo is valid" under all challenge photos? Would people get the point that the photo is 100% valid until it's been proven otherwise? |
/agree
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01/10/2005 11:29:42 PM · #9 |
No, because then you have no way of knowing which photos have been validated and which have not. I would recommend that, if you think you will be subject to this, submit your proof up front and get the validation note right away.
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01/10/2005 11:30:10 PM · #10 |
Originally posted by garrywhite2:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Why not just put "This photo is valid" under all challenge photos? Would people get the point that the photo is 100% valid until it's been proven otherwise? |
/agree |
What would be the purpose. If you state every photo is valid, then people will not request a DQ for a photo that they suspect was not done legally.
The bottom line is, people just need to learn how to vote competently by the rules defined.
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01/10/2005 11:33:34 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by brianlh:
No, because then you have no way of knowing which photos have been validated and which have not. I would recommend that, if you think you will be subject to this, submit your proof up front and get the validation note right away. |
The one problem there is you can only request validation once the challenge has begun, thus subjecting your photo to a day or so of voting before the validation.
I would like to see the option to request validation once a photo is submitted for a challenge. Then, if you change the photo (update the file), the validation is removed and you can not request another validation on that photo.
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01/10/2005 11:33:50 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by cbeller:
The bottom line is, people just need to learn how to vote competently by the rules defined. |
Amen brother... ;o)
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01/11/2005 12:19:58 AM · #13 |
I agree that people should vote according to image quality and not on whether or not they understand how you did it, but the end result is actually pretty cool for you. All you lose is a few points off of a vote that doesn't really count toward anything important in your life. What you gain is the knowledge that your photo technique was so creative that you fooled a lot of people into thinking that you did something that they believe is impossible. Like I said, that's pretty damn cool. :-)
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01/11/2005 12:33:27 AM · #14 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
I agree that people should vote according to image quality and not on whether or not they understand how you did it, but the end result is actually pretty cool for you. All you lose is a few points off of a vote that doesn't really count toward anything important in your life. What you gain is the knowledge that your photo technique was so creative that you fooled a lot of people into thinking that you did something that they believe is impossible. Like I said, that's pretty damn cool. :-) |
That's a good point, and somewhat comforting. I know the competition isn't life altering, a shiny ribbon is lovely but ultimately it's all for fun. I guess the negativity comes from feeling like I'm being accused of cheating. If you don't know how I did it, fine, but that doesn't make me a cheater. I see stuff here that's over my head regularly, but I respect it rather than trying to break it down. |
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01/11/2005 01:05:10 AM · #15 |
You've entered eight(?) challenges and in three the voters have let you know they didn't think your entries were legal. I see a common theme of depicting women as your subject in at least four of them. You have some pretty low scores on a few but mostly pretty high scores on the others. You admit that your most recent dud was an experiment, sometimes experiments fail. I think you are technically compentent to say the least. Analyze all your challenges and think about where the low scores are coming to find the area you should address. My opinion would be that you do best when you are not trying to do anything too extreme, or "experimental". But I'm sure you can do a better analysis than I can. Just think about where you are coming up short and concentrate on addressing that area in your next few entries. Your scores will likely become more consistent, hopefully at the high level of your best to date.
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