Bag over their head commenters - DPChallenge Forums

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/02/2005 04:25:32 PM · #1

There is one minor preference left out.

The site gave the hidden voters the hid status until the end of challenge.

Why not give us the option of specifically not seeing the comments of these faceless phantoms?

They love to throw rocks but when you look they are not there. They also have the option to be rude and then to alter their message before the challenge ends.

Not that we give them too much attention.

Message edited by author 2005-01-02 16:27:55.

deapee

Kodak V803

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/02/2005 04:29:52 PM · #2

I'm with you -- I don't want any comments from any hidden faces.

pcody

Canon PowerShot G6

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8

01/02/2005 05:08:56 PM · #3

If they make rude comments, you have the option to report it to the sc before they change it. Also don't you have an option to hide comments? Why not use it? Not that I'm one of THEM. lol. I'm just so not into hearing everyone complain, I don't even leave any comments anymore. Keep it up and maybe you can convince a few more people to not comment. Sorry if this sounds snotty. Especially to you Dan.

blemt

Nikon D70

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Nikon

01/02/2005 05:13:37 PM · #4

Are you getting rude comments? If so, get a screen capture of the offending remark and report it. Being able to be anon shouldn't be an excuse to be rude.

Clara

suemack

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

01/02/2005 05:22:25 PM · #5

Originally posted by pcody:

snip... I don't even leave any comments anymore. snip...

That is really sad! Having people such as yourself not commenting is a real loss to this community. It's the comments that help us to learn, to grow.....to see our work from a different point of view.

As a newcomer I found when I posted a pic I was stil seeing how I thought it should look when I clicked the shutter. Hadn't distanced myself. It's not until it's entered into the challenge, and I started to get comments, albeit positive/negative, that I could step away and view it a little (lot) more realistically. Still happens sometimes.....LOL

sue

Bear_Music

Samsung Galaxy S24 Ultra

Sony 24-70mm F4 Vario-Tessar T* FE OSS

01/02/2005 05:23:17 PM · #6

I think most people would use the "hide" option not to remain anonymous for malicious reasons, but because they don't want to be bugged by inuslted commentary from photogs while the challenge is still live. I get quite a few of those, entrants "explaining" to me what they were doing and why my comment is "wrong", presumably because they hope I'll change my vote...

Still, most of the "live" responses to my comments are positive ones, and I appreciate that.

Robt.

LindaLee

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-200mm f/2.8L IS USM

01/02/2005 05:23:52 PM · #7

I'm not "getting" what the big problem is. You'll know who everyone is after the challenge, I believe. What difference could it possibly make to know who it is during the challenge? What would you do differently if you knew who it was?

If ANY comment is offensive; report it, hidden or not.

I have to agree with pcody: this is why fewer and fewer people are taking the time to comment at all. People complain if you do, and they complain if you don't. They complain if they know who you are and they complain if they don't.

graphicfunk

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/02/2005 07:20:35 PM · #8

The point is not that I am getting rude comments. I can take it.

The point is that these folks are allowed to hide so why not give us the option to hide just these bag in the head commentators.

I do not file complaints. I do will not spend my time bringing people to justice. I am not that moved especially by folks who enter my space unidentified. I simply close the iron gate on them. I would just love to have the option to tune their comments off... not any comment, just their comments. Believe me, while I value comments, I can live without the bag in the head comments.

This is not a rant. It is made in the spirit of an observation: If they have the option to remain hidden, then give me the option to be spared their head in the bag observations.

messerschmitt

01/02/2005 07:52:32 PM · #9

[Why not give us the option of specifically not seeing the comments of these faceless phantoms?

i think u undeniable got a point with this statement
wich should be taken as a serious option
im in a favor of extension of freedom
they have freedom of speech let the others have freedom to ignore it

cpanaioti

Canon EOS-40D

Canon EF 70-300mm f/4.5-5.6 DO IS USM

01/02/2005 08:04:29 PM · #10

Originally posted by messerschmitt:

The extension of this idea would be to make the comments of anonymous voters invisible until voting is over. Rather than choosing to be anonymous you would choose to be hidden or not.

loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/02/2005 08:08:25 PM · #11

I agree, I don't like people leaving rude comments and not being man enough to admitt it was them. I mean come on now...

And its not always a matter of reporting rude comments, someone said something rude about my photo, but others may not see it a rude.

cbeller

Nikon D300

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/02/2005 08:14:54 PM · #12

Originally posted by loz1:

I agree, I don't like people leaving rude comments and not being man enough to admitt it was them. I mean come on now...

So only "men" make rude comments? I mean come on now... ;-)

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6

01/02/2005 08:28:40 PM · #13

I actually like most comments whether they be harshly critical or generously kind (as I just stated in another forum). Most of the images I love and am so proud of rate poorly, especially my mechanical entry. Images I am unsure about ususally do quite well. It is the difference between my tastes and the personality of the site. That is okay with me. I only strive to change things that are technically flawed not to please some other member's taste. As for artistic expression, hey, pushing the edge has never been a popular thing until it becomes mainstream, and then those who originally embraced it look for something new and edgy again. I love those brave souls. Without them we would stagnate and wither away in the saftey of acceptance by the masses. Some of my lowest scoring images have the biggest fans. So it goes...

loz1

Canon EOS-450D Rebel XSi

01/02/2005 08:31:23 PM · #14

Originally posted by cbeller:

Originally posted by loz1:
I agree, I don't like people leaving rude comments and not being man enough to admitt it was them. I mean come on now...

So only "men" make rude comments? I mean come on now... ;-)

I don't know, but they do give me some good comments lol (I am the model in my current shot lol)

Message edited by author 2005-01-02 20:31:35.

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

01/02/2005 08:32:25 PM · #15

If someone is too fragile to leave his or her name with a comment, that comment then becomes meaningless to me. If someone threw a bucket of crap at you would you stand there and let it hit you? Of course not. The same is true for words. You don't have to let someone else's crap stick to you. Step aside, man (er, sorry... or woman), and let it hit the wall. It is their crap, you don't have to own it.

Message edited by author 2005-01-02 20:33:56.

messerschmitt

01/02/2005 08:36:10 PM · #16

Some of my lowest scoring images have the biggest fans. So it goes... [/quote]

its away from the subject but i d like to say
im with u
i rather have 5 extreme high and five 5 extreme low scores than
10 midscores
and likely to have 10 comments and rate4 than no comments and rate5

magicshutter

Nikon D70

01/02/2005 08:42:03 PM · #17

Originally posted by KDO:

Bravo, well put.

I am still the anicdote king!!!!! I hope none of you have a problem with my anicdote type comments. After all, sight is a large trigger of memory. While it probably means nothing to the shooter, the memory (for me) is what makes a 1 shot a ten, or vice versa

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

01/02/2005 08:44:46 PM · #18

Originally posted by KDO:

Most people using the anonymous feature do so because they don't like recieving PMs about their comments before the end of the challenge.

Some of the most thoughtful commenters on the site use the anonymous feature. Don't automatically assume the comment is meaningless. You might learn something from it.

Canon EF-S 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6 IS

01/02/2005 08:47:14 PM · #19

Oops, once again I stuck a nerve. I meant the people who change or remove their comment before they are revealed so that they are never signing their name to a rude or inappropriate comment. The bag over the head thing during the challenge doesn't bother me a bit. I get some great comments from those people. My reference meant the extremely rude or hurtful with no good intentions.

Message edited by author 2005-01-02 20:50:39.

Konador

Canon EOS-500D Rebel T1i

01/02/2005 08:49:24 PM · #20

Originally posted by KDO:

Ahh rite, sorry, my misunderstanding :)

graphicfunk

Canon EF 28-135mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

01/02/2005 09:20:31 PM · #21

Again: I am misunderstood(lol).

My point is that I believe that no group should press for any special treatment. It is simply about being fair across the board. If you let one segment remain hidden then this segment has an advantage over you because he knows who he is and who you are.

A voter is a voter with generally fixed habits. Once they give a vote, the die is cast. With so many people voting it is futile to have a voter reconsider the value of his ballot. As a voter, we employ whatever commen sense we have or that which we lack, and thats what we are for better or for worse. Worst of us are those that believe themselves to be very astute. Believe me, I understand human nature.

Now, the excuse that the, "head in the bag voters," cry is that they do not want to hear from the people they are making comments on. This usually indicates members that for whatever reason prefer not to engage in exchanging or discussing ideas that may end them in disagreement. I think good nature is not running rampant. They then apply for the hidden option. First, these are folks that are hardly ever going to engage in constructive exchanges and I would just as soon receive their votes and be spared the comment and ikon.

Well, look at the comments that I have given and the percentage accepted. As a person commentator, it worries me that my average is not higher, so I strive to make my comments as painless as possible. I still work on that.

I recall one challenge where the photographer corrected my incorrect observation. I was glad they did. You see, I do not know everything and often we make errors. I like to correct mine.

By the same token I like fair play. You want to see some real ugly comments that I have received. Look at my freedom entry. Mine is not to complaint, we all know the a.h. that some of us are. However, in keeping with the aim of making DPC a better place, I simply would like fair play. So if some people opt for the bag on the head, then why not give me the option to keep their comments at bay until the end.

The end result is that I take all comments, just delay the delivery of the bagless one until the end of the challenge.

Nikon AF-S DX Zoom-Nikkor 16-85 f/3.5-5.6G ED VR

01/02/2005 09:36:56 PM · #22

Ah, graphicfunk! So good to hear from you. I remember I made a comment about one of your images. I was rushing and I overlooked some very important information - like the title for instance. The title was brilliant and the image more poignant because of it. I appreciated your comments and the chance to go back and correct my thoughtless mistake: Even though you asked me not to change my vote. What you actually had written was a thank you for pointing out your flaw and indicated that many voters missed the point. And you took all the blame, when in fact it was a group of impatient voters who were truly at fault. All I can say is that if that many voters missed such an obvious point, just as I did, they, too, were rushing, or complete idiots (I know I'll catch heck for that one, but oh well...) It was a brilliant shot and an even more brilliant concept. Your plea to be fair and honest is one we should all heed.

I completely agree with holding the comments of the bag-heads until the end. Many of their comments are useful, but what does it hurt to wait until voting is over. The intellectual exchanges are the best part of this site IMHO. Carry on, graphicfunk. You fight the good fight... again, IMHO.

cbeller

Nikon D300

01/02/2005 09:39:05 PM · #23

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

Again: I am misunderstood(lol)...

I understood ya Dan! :-)

Not quite sure how or why your request got so blown out of proportion. It seems only fair to have that option available.

kirbic

Canon EOS R5

Canon RF 24-70mm f/2.8 L IS

01/02/2005 09:41:27 PM · #24

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

...If you let one segment remain hidden then this segment has an advantage over you because he knows who he is and who you are...

Well, actually no. the commentor has no idea who you are, since you are anonymous. (S)He only would know who you were if you responded. Anonymity of commenting during the challenge places both the commentor and the photographer on an even field; neither knows whom the other is.

If you recieve rude/inappropriate comments from anyone, including anonymous commentors, report them to the SC immediately.