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05/23/2003 03:57:40 AM · #726 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by lisae:
The people with the statistically highest probability of causing anyone harm are surely those who have killed the most people and interfered violently in the greatiest number of countries. And that would be the USA. |
It's not the same thing at all and you know it. By saying statements like this, that have no meaning or logical comparison, you are pacifying terrorists and terrorism. I think it's irresponsible to do that. |
First of all, I'm not a pacifist. I've never claimed to be. For me, war is a last resort, and the UN should be involved.
What I meant by the statstical comparison was that in the current US vs. terrorism war, the most innocent civilians have been killed by the US. Whether or not you believe that was done for good reasons or bad, it's the truth.
I will never agree that the deaths of civilians justify the deaths of more civilians. This is why I oppose both terrorists, and the current wars that are fought to end terrorism. Considering that al-Qaida have recently hit Saudi Arabia and Morocco with multiple, co-ordinated bomb attacks, and there have been smaller terrorist attacks in Pakistan, there is no sign that war is solving the terrorist issue.
I think we should all go back to the UN and work together, globally, to solve the issue. We should work on easing poverty and improving education and prosperity around the world so that there are no longer so many people willing to fight on the terrorists' side (as President Arroyo of the Phillipines recently said to Bush herself). We should work on making peace in warring regions and helping countries to rebuild themselves instead of imposing western style nation building on them. |
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05/23/2003 04:08:33 PM · #727 |
| So comforting to know that so many people believe in the UNITED States and the democratic values it supposedly stands for...Deck of Weasels |
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05/23/2003 04:20:13 PM · #728 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
So comforting to know that so many people believe in the UNITED States and the democratic values it supposedly stands for...Deck of Weasels |
LOL, I love it, the "Deck of Weasels". Well it's sooo true. It's unbelievable the message all of those "weasels" are sending to terrorist orgainizations around the World which is "We the USA are wrong and deserve your hatred and deserve to be attacked by you.". What the weasels don't understand is that when a dirty bomb explodes in Hollyweird, CA., it won't descriminate between Martin Sheen and Mr. Non-Weasel. Bet Marty and the rest of them didn't think of that. ;)
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05/24/2003 06:16:24 PM · #729 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
And what was "the last major terrorist event caused by a Christain" that you are talking about? |
OKC bombing |
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05/24/2003 07:08:02 PM · #730 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
So comforting to know that so many people believe in the UNITED States and the democratic values it supposedly stands for...Deck of Weasels |
thanks...just bought 5 decks
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05/24/2003 10:36:12 PM · #731 |
Originally posted by Geocide:
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
And what was "the last major terrorist event caused by a Christain" that you are talking about? |
OKC bombing |
You said originally that "the last major terrorist event was caused by a Christain". And OKC was 8 years ago. Since then there have been 100 terrorist events caused by non-Christains so what was your original point?
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05/25/2003 01:07:42 PM · #732 |
| OKC wasd the last major terrorist event in the US before 9/11 |
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05/25/2003 01:08:44 PM · #733 |
| Chris123 are you openly supporting Racism and Xenophobia? |
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05/25/2003 01:33:48 PM · #734 |
Originally posted by Geocide:
Chris123 are you openly supporting Racism and Xenophobia? |
lol |
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05/26/2003 12:58:03 AM · #735 |
Originally posted by Geocide:
Chris123 are you openly supporting Racism and Xenophobia? |
Geocide, are you insane? Again, I'm asking you to state what you consider racist about my remarks. This is the SECOND time you've called me racist but have NOT elaborated when asked. Why don't you shut your mouth unless you are willing to expain comments and accusations? |
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05/26/2003 01:41:24 AM · #736 |
Instead of merely criticizing the other media, Dave Ross now sees how they may actually be useful...
May 22, 2003
IDOL-IRAQ
Order out of chaos...
The reports from Iraq are not good. The defeated Baath party has been forming a new secret organization. There's a report that Hezbollah terrorists now have a branch in Baghdad. At night, thieves and bandits roam unchecked.
As a result, the process of electing leaders has been delayed until July. Not that there's a shortage of politicians -- by one account there are about 30 parties in Baghdad -- it's just that lot of them also have their own armed militias.
Iraq desperately needs a process whereby wanna-be politicians can be vetted, interviewed, given a chance to show their stuff, and finally put before the voters in a decisive and uplifting national election.
And I know of only one American institution that can pull it off. One institution with a proven ability to create order out of chaos.
Fox.
Look at the record -- when Fox put out the call for singers last January, 70,000 people lined up outside various hotels. You saw them. Many of them were EXTREMELY scary. But was Fox deterred? No. They confronted them with a panel of ruthless interrogators who quickly rejected the morons and extremists. And they kept at it, week after week, never losing hope. Until finally, last night, 24 million people -- which coincidentally is about the population of Iraq -- peacefully cast their votes.
It was close. Ruben won by only .28 per cent; passions ran high. But Clay was magnanimous in defeat, no one went to court, everybody's happy, and most important, IT'S OVER.
No wonder Fox is Don Rumsfeld's favorite network. |
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05/26/2003 07:06:28 PM · #737 |
Bill Moyers on Democracy and Memorial Day:
Candor in Journalism |
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05/29/2003 01:41:37 PM · #738 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Originally posted by Geocide:
Chris123 are you openly supporting Racism and Xenophobia? |
Geocide, are you insane? Again, I'm asking you to state what you consider racist about my remarks. This is the SECOND time you've called me racist but have NOT elaborated when asked. Why don't you shut your mouth unless you are willing to expain comments and accusations? |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Americans aren't terrorists, unlike Arabs. |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
I'd agree Geocide, it's sad that so many Muslims seem to hate us. Before 9-11 I never had a problem with any of them. ;) |
What part of these statments arn't racist and xenophobic?
Message edited by author 2003-05-29 13:42:14.
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05/30/2003 12:27:09 AM · #739 |
dum deedum dum dum... dum deedum dum dum...
I just came in to see why this thread has got 30 pages going for it.
But I found hatred and criticism and it hurts so i'm outta here and never return. Dont bother replying this posting either, coz I wont know if anyone replied :) Cheers!
Humans killing humans. When will we see the fact that we're all on this tiny rock floating in space and we go down together if this little rock decides to retire? We'll need space invaders to keep us working together someday! LOL |
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05/31/2003 09:15:19 PM · #740 |
| Embracing he True Nature of Patriotism by Arthur M.Schlesinger, Jr. (Pulitzer Prize-winning author and former assistant to President Kennedy). |
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06/02/2003 10:44:55 PM · #741 |
Hey guys,
This is probably the last time I'll ever post in this thread (it hasn't really gone anywhere lately, has it :P). My bet is that anyone who sees this come back up into the recent threads box and actually opens it to see what I've posted is probably fairly interested in politics and political debate. Just maybe :).
If so, there's another web board I frequent that's purely about politics and social issues at Upsize This!. Most of the people who post there used to be members of the bulletin board at Michael Moore's website, which was taken down earlier this year (the bulletin board, not the site). Back in the days of the MMBB, there actually used to be a large diversity of opinions, because Michael Moore's site attracted as many detractors as it did fans. However, most of the people who regrouped on the new site are centre or left wing types, and the thing is... we're stagnating a bit. There isn't enough argument over the bigger issues to keep people interested. It's actually not all that much fun to talk to people you mostly agree with all the time. A lot of arguments are breaking out over infighting and personal issues.
Now, I know the conservative posters here will likely find that funny. Maybe you would enjoy watching us implode. But then, on the other hand, maybe you'd like to get over there and argue politics with some very knowledgable people. Either way, it would be nice if some of you would sign up and inject some new life into that place.
If that happens, I promise I'll start submitting photos here again! Deal?
(I'm going to anyway, when I get some free time :P). |
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06/02/2003 11:29:26 PM · #742 |
Originally posted by lisae:
... It's actually not all that much fun to talk to people you mostly agree with all the time. A lot of arguments are breaking out over infighting and personal issues.
Now, I know the conservative posters here will likely find that funny. Maybe you would enjoy watching us implode. But then, on the other hand, maybe you'd like to get over there and argue politics with some very knowledgable people. Either way, it would be nice if some of you would sign up and inject some new life into that place.
If that happens, I promise I'll start submitting photos here again! Deal?
(I'm going to anyway, when I get some free time :P). |
Back in the good old days when I was a volunteer at a free clinic, we used to joke that whenever the "liberals" got together to form a firing squad, they did so in a circle ... pointing inwards ....
Welcome back! |
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06/03/2003 12:53:54 AM · #743 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Back in the good old days when I was a volunteer at a free clinic, we used to joke that whenever the "liberals" got together to form a firing squad, they did so in a circle ... pointing inwards .... |
LOL General! Never heard that one before but I like it. ;)
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Welcome back! |
Yeah welcome back and start posting your challenge pics! I'm still working on getting a ribbon... If I ever do, I'll make a post here in this thread agreeing with you. :)
I may check out your website, but all the "ranting" in the World rarely changes people's opinions on political items like this. But it's still fun most of the time. |
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06/03/2003 01:04:22 AM · #744 |
Hmm, on second thought I WON'T participate on this webiste (upsizethis). I browsed the forum topics and posts, and they are all anti-American... Every single one of them. Bunch of American hater communists... no thanks I won't waste my time there.
Stay annonymous like you are. :) lol. |
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06/03/2003 03:14:15 AM · #745 |
Originally posted by ChrisW123:
Hmm, on second thought I WON'T participate on this webiste (upsizethis). I browsed the forum topics and posts, and they are all anti-American... Every single one of them. Bunch of American hater communists... no thanks I won't waste my time there.
Stay annonymous like you are. :) lol. |
Lol. That's the point! There's no one to defend the other side :P.
But seriously, most of the posters there are Americans. They're just on the left side of the fence. But if you don't want to post, that's OK.
I'm so busy right now that I have to stay shackled to my computer to get work done, and arguing about politics is how I let off steam. When I finally get to go out and take photos, I'll submit to DPC again :). |
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06/08/2003 12:07:43 AM · #746 |
FIRST and LAST(?) post.
And don't forget to check these out:
The Discovery of Freedom
The Road to Serfdom
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06/08/2003 01:23:50 AM · #747 |
Originally posted by lisae:
Lol. That's the point! There's no one to defend the other side :P. |
They would hate me there. :) LOL, I know how those places work (cause I've been there before on both sides being in the majority and not), and a new comer with an opposing view is hammered by the regulars. Does wonders for the blood pressure. :D
Originally posted by lisae:
But seriously, most of the posters there are Americans. They're just on the left side of the fence. But if you don't want to post, that's OK. |
I may anyway but like you, no time lately. Even keeping up with the photo challenges these days is tough (summer, work load, this and that), but it may be fun anyway. Well if I do post you'll probably know it's me. :D
Originally posted by lisae:
...and arguing about politics is how I let off steam. When I finally get to go out and take photos, I'll submit to DPC again :). |
Me too about letting off steam... Can't wait to see your great photos in the challenges again!
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06/26/2003 02:14:14 AM · #748 |
| IT's a good thing they got in there and got out all of those WMDs. |
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07/08/2003 10:32:26 AM · #749 |
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07/08/2003 11:10:36 AM · #750 |
There was an item on Dutch tv about a new documentary in the US called "why do they hate us?" It is about 9/11 an the war in Iraq did anyone see this?
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