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12/03/2004 11:36:41 PM · #126 |
Originally posted by KDO:
gibun,
I am with you. I just got back from graphicfunk's portfolio. He is a master, and a master with a soul. If you haven't seen his work, you should stop in and look at it. After you pick up your jaw, you may want to use it to give him some kudos regarding his dazzling artistic talent. I am amazed he even bothers to write in these forums. He certainly has no need of us. Perhaps we should all do some more listening and less trying to win. His work speaks volumes. |
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quote=KDO] gibun,
I am with you. I just got back from graphicfunk's portfolio. He is a master, and a master with a soul. If you haven't seen his work, you should stop in and look at it. After you pick up your jaw, you may want to use it to give him some kudos regarding his dazzling artistic talent. I am amazed he even bothers to write in these forums. He certainly has no need of us. Perhaps we should all do some more listening and less trying to win. His work speaks volumes. [/quote]
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Originally posted by KDO:
gibun,
I am with you. I just got back from graphicfunk's portfolio. He is a master, and a master with a soul. If you haven't seen his work, you should stop in and look at it. After you pick up your jaw, you may want to use it to give him some kudos regarding his dazzling artistic talent. I am amazed he even bothers to write in these forums. He certainly has no need of us. Perhaps we should all do some more listening and less trying to win. His work speaks volumes. |
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I thank you for your kind words, yes, I am an artist and I am very well paid, but a master I am not. I will use my own logic against me which extracts the shinning truth from the fodder.
If I were a master I would get at least one ribbon out of 6 attempts. I am here entering my 6th month and only have 3.
If I were a master many more of my images would have been selected as favorites. This is not the case.
Jonpink and many others have a higher average than I have.
Before Sept of 2003 I was deeply involved in didigital manipulations and have stopped these with the exception of commissions. I went so far afield that I joined DPC to cleanse the soul and return to in camera effects which is where I originally started. I was also a commercial photographer doing work for agencies and that was my livelihood. Very boring. Also worked as art director and did an extensive amount of work for Sony. Agfa. Ellis island and many museums. An accomplished graphical artist.
However, DPC is a place with more talent than found in other sites. It is lively competition and I am just another photographer here amidst many. I give credit wherever it is due. the rising stars, such as Imagineer, smokeditor, bradP, terge, scalvert, ericlimon, gringo, eddyg, bobsterlobster, bongo, ty2000, beagleboy, dsidwell, magnetic 999, gordon, konador, connie and a cool competitor like librodo. Also grigigirl, Kosmikkreeper, Akiwi, jsetzler and the great heida, Kiwiness, jacko, a master like jubeguin. I have missed many cause these are from memory and each one of these, and the other great talent I have not named are hard to beat. Look at this work and bring any pro in here and they will tell you how hard it is to compete even with just the rising stars.
Message edited by author 2004-12-03 23:48:36. |
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12/03/2004 11:59:09 PM · #127 |
Dear Graphicfunk,
Please forgive me for not agreeing with your modesty and humbleness. Accept this from me as one of so many people who admire not only your skills, but your person. A master is not measured by ribbons, but by values.
And seriously, please be my mentor, as a professional, I will pay for your time and advise.
Peter |
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12/04/2004 12:15:35 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by gibun:
Please forgive me for not agreeing with your modesty and humbleness. |
I've actually had the pleasure of meeting Graphicfunk and believe me, he's just as great a guy in person. It's disgusting. Oh, and Dan- I see you found my Lucky 7 shot... thanks for another made-my-day comment! ;-) |
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12/04/2004 12:22:53 AM · #129 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
...can we not try to help this supposed lost soul by placing him/her on a safer ground with say a 3, 4 with a comment?... |
I don't know if you can help any 'supposed lost souls', as you put it, by giving an embellished evaluation of their work. I don't know the first thing about these 'souls' and their supposed predicament. The only thing I do know are the facts of the picture at hand, which I am asked to evaluate.
The best I can do, is to examine it and share my findings by voting conscienciously, using the full scale and articulating that which cannot be said via a number. If I am true to my art, craft or passion, I'll be damned if I 'adjust' that number to suit an ulterior motive. I also question whether any soul may be saved by embellishing the truth.
I have no interest in placing anyone on 'safe ground'. I do not believe that 'safe ground' is a fertile premise for a photographer. I do feel, however, that making an conscientious effort (or to contribute a little something toward this goal) to have a work placed where I believe it belongs may provide a degree of measure to an evaluative process.
If the artist is sincere, he will benefit from undiluted assessment. If he's not, God or you can help him.
Message edited by author 2004-12-04 00:24:22.
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12/04/2004 12:33:56 AM · #130 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
...can we not try to help this supposed lost soul by placing him/her on a safer ground with say a 3, 4 with a comment?... |
I don't know if you can help any 'supposed lost souls', as you put it, by giving an embellished evaluation of their work. I don't know the first thing about these 'souls' and their supposed predicament. The only thing I do know are the facts of the picture at hand, which I am asked to evaluate.
The best I can do, is to examine it and share my findings by voting conscienciously, using the full scale and articulating that which cannot be said via a number. If I am true to my art, craft or passion, I'll be damned if I 'adjust' that number to suit an ulterior motive. I also question whether any soul may be saved by embellishing the truth.
I have no interest in placing anyone on 'safe ground'. I do not believe that 'safe ground' is a fertile premise for a photographer. I do feel, however, that making an conscientious effort (or to contribute a little something toward this goal) to have a work placed where I believe it belongs may provide a degree of measure to an evaluative process.
If the artist is sincere, he will benefit from undiluted assessment. If he's not, God or you can help him. |
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re-read you post and you will detect a hardness of character which you identify as judicious. Being in the graphic industry all my life I have taught many art classes and have led many from a superficial to a full interest not by lying or being dishonest but by being understanding. Understanding can benefit us all. It is easy to judge. We can judge severely or we can judge lovingly. Think which one will make you feel better. It all Depends on your approach to life.
P.S. an embellished vote is not a 3 or 4. To embellish is to give 6 or 7.
Message edited by author 2004-12-04 00:36:35. |
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12/04/2004 12:45:47 AM · #131 |
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
... Consider also the newcomer eager to place their entry. They work full time and their time is limited. ... Be civil with the vote and the comment and you may help this individual to improve their skills. Once they learn their camera they have the struggle with the software. A good picture but badly processed. Again, my suggestion is be civil and suggest they study their software because competing images need more work to remain active.... |
As somebody that works full time, and who has been on the recieving end of some of these comments from graphicfunk, I can tell you that they are much more appreciated than a simple "1".
The well intentioned comment often gets me to open a photography tutorial. The "1" with no explaination gets me nothing.
Just my opinion.
Message edited by author 2004-12-04 00:46:17. |
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12/04/2004 07:47:43 AM · #132 |
Originally posted by zeuszen:
Originally posted by graphicfunk:
...can we not try to help this supposed lost soul by placing him/her on a safer ground with say a 3, 4 with a comment?... |
I don't know if you can help any 'supposed lost souls', as you put it, by giving an embellished evaluation of their work. I don't know the first thing about these 'souls' and their supposed predicament. The only thing I do know are the facts of the picture at hand, which I am asked to evaluate.
The best I can do, is to examine it and share my findings by voting conscienciously, using the full scale and articulating that which cannot be said via a number. If I am true to my art, craft or passion, I'll be damned if I 'adjust' that number to suit an ulterior motive. I also question whether any soul may be saved by embellishing the truth.
I have no interest in placing anyone on 'safe ground'. I do not believe that 'safe ground' is a fertile premise for a photographer. I do feel, however, that making an conscientious effort (or to contribute a little something toward this goal) to have a work placed where I believe it belongs may provide a degree of measure to an evaluative process.
If the artist is sincere, he will benefit from undiluted assessment. If he's not, God or you can help him. |
help comes in many forms, one is to have somebody with a passion and the common sense to help people grow, the other is to give "undiluted" constructive feedback. A score per se will never help me, telling me what I can improve on does. |
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12/05/2004 08:57:10 AM · #133 |
HI,
I checked out your photo and I think it is a good shot. IMHO when you photograph a bible or anything religious you should be prepared for 1s and 10s. At a time like this in the world, some people are not going to rate photos of religion and political ideas with high scores, mainly because they don't like the message you are sending. I don't know if that is fair or not. But if I am a person who does not follow the bible, I may not understand your message. Some people my see the Koran(sp?) as their authority. Where as police, courts, and parents are understood all over the world as an authority.
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12/05/2004 10:05:44 AM · #134 |
| I agree with Karalew that the 1s and 2s are not a reflection of your photographic skills but the subject matter. Some of DPC's more "politically-correct" members may find the Bible offensive and give you low marks for that, regardless of your photo's beautiful composition. This makes me angry -- not just as a Christian -- but as a firm believer in freedom of expression. So, rather than advise you to change your subject matter, I would urge other members to remember that DPC challenges are artistic competitions, not presidential elections. As polarized as the world has become, I would like to believe that two photographs of equal quality -- one featuring George W. Bush and the other featuring John Kerry -- would receive equal scores from each member, regardless of his or her political views. |
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12/05/2004 11:03:17 AM · #135 |
I feel your pain. This photo I did for the chocolate challenge had the largest difference of all my pics. 24 10s, 13 9s, then 18 1s, and 12 2s
Some people just hate some things, and they will vote a one even though it is a well taken picture technically and meets the challenge without a doubt. O-well I got some great comments and I'm trying to get it onto a Jones Soda lable...so if you haven't already I would love a few more votes!
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12/05/2004 01:36:00 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by miaminovice:
I agree with Karalew that the 1s and 2s are not a reflection of your photographic skills but the subject matter. Some of DPC's more "politically-correct" members may find the Bible offensive and give you low marks for that, regardless of your photo's beautiful composition. This makes me angry -- not just as a Christian -- but as a firm believer in freedom of expression. So, rather than advise you to change your subject matter, I would urge other members to remember that DPC challenges are artistic competitions, not presidential elections. As polarized as the world has become, I would like to believe that two photographs of equal quality -- one featuring George W. Bush and the
other featuring John Kerry -- would receive equal scores from each member, regardless of his or her political views. |
I agree.
Message edited by author 2004-12-05 14:32:42.
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