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 06/16/2025 01:34:08 PM · #1
The former 2nd place entry has been disqualified for improper use of textures, in that the texture was used to completely replace the background of the image and created new content in it's place.

Congratulations to the new Ribbon and HM winners.
 06/16/2025 02:03:54 PM · #2
Arg
06/16/2025 02:19:16 PM · #3
I'm not arguing the DQ -- I'm fine with it happening.

I'm just seeking clarification.

There was no background to replace. After I simply did some brightness and curves work, this was the photo:



Any texture aded to it would just look like the texture. I've seen beautiful textures applied to plain backgrounds that passed the test. Can you only add textures if there are things in the background?

This sounds confrontational, but I don't mean it to be. I'm fine with the DQ, just a bit confused. (btw, either with or without the texture, I would have cloned out the grass.)

Message edited by author 2025-06-16 14:19:45.
 06/16/2025 02:28:39 PM · #4
looking through previous entries.



It didn't place high, so it didn't require validation, but it wasn't questioned.
 06/16/2025 02:30:54 PM · #5
Hi Wendy - The texture in this case was very heavy and basically acted as a background replacement. The paint swirls even mimicked waves & water (matching the image title as well 'Turbulence'). This would have been allowed in Extended but was too much for Standard.
 06/16/2025 02:43:05 PM · #6
Thank you for the clarification

clarification question for the future:

Would a simpler texture pass?

Or is it more the amount of it?

06/16/2025 02:57:24 PM · #7
What a bummer that this DQ happened - I don't know that anyone will ever know how the rules will be applied as it is very open to interpretation. I am sure the 'if you have questions ask before hand' response is best but I know sometimes I shoot right before the cut off and it isn't possible.
 06/16/2025 03:25:00 PM · #8
Just weighed in on Erin's DQ and here's another case where I would have thought the edit was fine. I could see the texture over the bird so I figured it fit under the "You may . . . use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules." I've always understood that the texture had to be applied to the entire image and not used selectively in Standard; that seemed to be the case here. As for the "paint swirls even mimicked waves and water" bit, I'd say they looked much less like "waves and water" than many painterly effects that are routinely used in Standard Editing challenges, especially those that have an explicit "art" bend as was the case here.

I realize neither Erin nor Wendy are trying to "argue" the DQ's . . . but I would :)
 06/16/2025 03:29:17 PM · #9
Originally posted by nam:
Just weighed in on Erin's DQ and here's another case where I would have thought the edit was fine. I could see the texture over the bird so I figured it fit under the "You may . . . use images that do not meet the source or date requirements as textures in your entry if they function specifically as textures and not to circumvent other rules." I've always understood that the texture had to be applied to the entire image and not used selectively in Standard; that seemed to be the case here. As for the "paint swirls even mimicked waves and water" bit, I'd say they looked much less like "waves and water" than many painterly effects that are routinely used in Standard Editing challenges, especially those that have an explicit "art" bend as was the case here.

I realize neither Erin nor Wendy are trying to "argue" the DQ's . . . but I would :)


Mine survived the DQ by a 2 to 3 vote (just want to make sure that is out there).
 06/16/2025 04:00:13 PM · #10
Originally posted by vawendy:
Thank you for the clarification

clarification question for the future:

Would a simpler texture pass?

Or is it more the amount of it?


This application would have passed no questions asked.
 06/16/2025 04:04:16 PM · #11
Originally posted by nam:
... As for the "paint swirls even mimicked waves and water" bit, I'd say they looked much less like "waves and water" than many painterly effects that are routinely used in Standard Editing challenges, especially those that have an explicit "art" bend as was the case here.

I disagree. :-) That was some HEAVY paint!
 06/16/2025 04:55:53 PM · #12
My understanding is that in Standard we can apply a texture OVER THE ENTIRE IMAGE. In this case, should have been over the bird also () which was not. I loved the image a lot for its expressive background. But, we have to follow the rules

That's why in my opinion this post was not DQed - the texture is covering the entire image

06/16/2025 05:04:22 PM · #13
Originally posted by mariuca:
My understanding is that in Standard we can apply a texture OVER THE ENTIRE IMAGE.

Nope. The rule for the use of textures doesn't say anything about over the entire image.

Originally posted by mariuca:
That's why in my opinion this post was not DQed - the texture is covering the entire image

This image never made it to validation - wasn't in the Top 5. Although, that's a very generic, opaque texture, and would be fine if tested.
 06/16/2025 06:52:01 PM · #14
Originally posted by mariuca:
. . .
That's why in my opinion this post was not DQed - the texture is covering the entire image


I can see that the texture Wendy elected to use might be considered too busy or heavy (as glad2badad said) although I still don't think it looks at all like water or waves or whatever - it looks like messy brush strokes.

Unlike Mariuca, I can see the continuation of the brush strokes over the bird.

But like Mariuca, I believe, I do think it's long been understood that it is NOT allowed to selectively erase a texture from the main subject and apply it to only the background under Standard Editing rules.

That's why I have assumed that the opposite (application of a light, appropriate texture over the entire image) WAS acceptable.

And now I'm out of here - meaning that I'm leaving this discussion, not that I'm leaving DPC LOL Wendy's simply seeking clarification for future reference. I'll keep following so my understanding of the Standard Rule set is clarified, too.



06/16/2025 07:10:34 PM · #15
I believe an earlier version of the rules may have specified that a texture must be applied to the entire image.

However, even in that situation it is possible, by careful choice of texture colors/tones and creative use of blending modes, to make the texture "disappear" in part of the image ...

For example, with the white bird, a slightly darker texture image applied in "Lighten" mode would probably not be apparent in the bird but only over a darker background.
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