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02/27/2003 12:25:33 PM · #1 |
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02/27/2003 12:56:13 PM · #2 |
| I'm searching high and low for places to put my name on some kind of pre-order list. Finally getting a DSLR! |
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02/27/2003 01:01:08 PM · #3 |
In that price range, i would consider switching from nikon format over to canon...
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02/27/2003 01:17:50 PM · #4 |
| yeah, i had my heart set on a f717 but at about $1500 i can see myself making the sacrifice for it and a good zoom lens. |
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02/27/2003 01:19:42 PM · #5 |
I had expected a cheap D60, but this one seems to be a bit better in every aspect. :)
But why 2200 euro vs much lower USD prices. :((((
2200-/-1500= 700 The difference is more than a last minute round trip by plane..... Good excuse to do a city trip to a city with a good camera shop in the US or Canada. :)
I hope that Nikon will come with something as well, because I like some of their lenses more. Or a full frame S3. :)
Message edited by author 2003-02-27 13:21:58.
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02/27/2003 01:28:25 PM · #6 |
Im looking at it also.....my tax refund check should be in soon :~)
James
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02/27/2003 01:32:11 PM · #7 |
| Azrifel, That seems awfully high to me too. I'm no math expert but where I live 1 USD buys only .92 euro. Wouldn't that make the euro price 1380 euros? Anyway, I will be buying one for sure as soon as it comes out. |
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02/27/2003 01:45:54 PM · #8 |
| The only thing I'm concerned about is the small-sensor magnifier. It would be nice to use lenses properly. I imagine that in as little as a year from now the sensor magnifier will stand out as one of the ultimately unacceptable growing pains of the DSLR. How painful is it to spend 2 grand on a L lens and only use 3/4 of it? |
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02/27/2003 04:08:56 PM · #9 |
Jimmy, not. The L will always be there. The crop helps with the long lenses also. The only real affect is wide angle. I have the sig 15-30 and that is plenty wide for me until the 1:1 is affordable and even then I will miss having a 300mm crop out of my 200mm lens. Costs a lot more to go up than down... LOL...
Think I am gonna go with a 1D though. Like the 1D images I have seen better than the D-60. Also 8FPS will rock for motion images...
Message edited by author 2003-02-27 16:14:03.
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02/27/2003 06:13:37 PM · #10 |
See this link...
//www.dpreview.com/news/0212/02121201nikondxlenses.asp
It certainly looks as if Nikon is committing to the 23.7 x 15.6 mm sensor size (1.5x FOV crop factor).
I have no investment in Nikon glass, but am partial to Nikon and certainly am hoping for a big surprise from them this year.
But I have to say, Canon is looking awfully good! |
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02/27/2003 06:21:08 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by jimmythefish:
The only thing I'm concerned about is the small-sensor magnifier. It would be nice to use lenses properly. I imagine that in as little as a year from now the sensor magnifier will stand out as one of the ultimately unacceptable growing pains of the DSLR. How painful is it to spend 2 grand on a L lens and only use 3/4 of it? |
jimmy ... think as well that the 1/4 you do not use is the border . so you take the best of any lens. AM I wrong ?
Personnally ... I am probably going to go for it.
Lionel |
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02/27/2003 06:21:14 PM · #12 |
I already have some Nikon glass (to go with my Nikon N80) so I'll be waiting for Nikon's equivalent entry to the Canon D10.
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02/27/2003 06:36:39 PM · #13 |
Dunno if the page has been changed since you guys looked but it now says:
â€Â¢ US: $1,999
â€Â¢ EU: €2,200
â€Â¢ UK: £1,499
Edit: m'kay, I just noticed the expected street price of $1499 on the front page, but you're still comparing it against the € list price.
After reading the review all I can say is .
Message edited by author 2003-02-27 19:12:40. |
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02/27/2003 06:53:43 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by lionelm:
jimmy ... think as well that the 1/4 you do not use is the border . so you take the best of any lens. AM I wrong ?
Personnally ... I am probably going to go for it.
Lionel |
true, yes, but at the same time i'd rather crop only if i want to (off a full-frame) rather than be forced to, if you know what i mean. if you had a 1Ds would you be cropping the middle out without hesitation? i don't think so. from an engineering standpoint the reduced sensor size matched with lenses designed for a full 35mm frame doesn't make a whole lot of sense - you're paying for and hauling around more glass than you're using. it's a production cost issue, one which will be sorted out as the sensors get bigger and/or as the 1Ds gets cheaper. i realise this is being nitpicky, and yeah i might well end up getting one and being very happy with it, but it just seems that the situation is currently a little strange .
Message edited by author 2003-02-27 18:56:19. |
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02/27/2003 10:17:31 PM · #15 |
| it shows at ritzcamera for 1499$ !!! |
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02/27/2003 10:17:52 PM · #16 |
Check a full review at www.imaging-resource.com/:
//www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/E10D/E10DA.HTM
Drool drool. Oh Nikon gods, give me an equivalent (price too) and I'll pick one up tout de suite.
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02/28/2003 12:04:00 AM · #17 |
I would have liked to have seen a faster shutter. the DOF preview button seems like an odd place (compared to other cams) but definitely something one could get used to. Or no problem at all if you're coming from a camera that didn't have it. Having to pop the flash up (though it automatically does in auto mode) to get a focus assistant light and the effectiveness of the "strobe" of the flash will work. Even though it's a pre-production unit, I would like to see how the AF system stacks up against the d100's.
I wouldn't see it be less than 1-2 years until we might see a full-frame sensor in the "prosumer" arena. That's one way manufactures can keep certain models targetted towards specific groups. |
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02/28/2003 02:36:34 AM · #18 |
| The 10D isn't as much of an improvement over the D60 as I would have expected, but I can't say I am too disappointed about that as I fairly recently got a D60. |
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02/28/2003 05:07:58 AM · #19 |
| Well I got paid today and my tax refund came in so I headed over to Ritzcamera put my order in. I was planning to buy a D60 after I got my tax refund but when I found out about the new Canon last month I decided to go for it. Who knows when they'll actually deliver it but I can't wait. |
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02/28/2003 08:58:39 AM · #20 |
Man I've been looking at this camera and drooling big time. My only hope is that Nikon is going to make a big announcement at the PMA show in March of something similar ... or at least get the rumours going. They have to, because they'll be left behind by alot of Nikon users ... me included. Shows my loyalty doesn't it? Heck I've only been committed to Nikon since last Christmas when my wife bought a N80 35mm film camera ... she asked me which brand I preferred because she knew I'd be getting a DSLR and I could use the same lenses.
To top if all off our Canadian dollar can buy a US dollar for $1.50 ... was $1.59. This would make it $2550 with taxes included (close to the Price of a Fuji S2 in US dollars and without sales taxes).
Must ... resist ... the ... temptation ...
My income tax refund will be coming in April. I'll give Nikon until May ... :). My wife is expecting a baby in September ... might be my last big toy in a while. lol
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02/28/2003 11:07:53 AM · #21 |
| Not I. Too many things in the past have shown me it's not always the wise choice to have the newest toy on the block, I'd give it 3-4 months before I seriously looked at it. Looking at DSLR's myself now, to be honest, I'm not that impressed with the 10D. I would've rather seen Canon add some more features and keep the price the same as the D60 then this. |
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02/28/2003 11:17:10 AM · #22 |
heytoast: It does have new features... the big one being better autofocus. But it also has a magnesium shell instead of plastic, and increased resolution, even lower noise than the D60, more ISO options, etc., and it will sell for $500 less to boot!
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02/28/2003 11:18:38 AM · #23 |
Originally posted by hey toast:
Not I. Too many things in the past have shown me it's not always the wise choice to have the newest toy on the block, I'd give it 3-4 months before I seriously looked at it. Looking at DSLR's myself now, to be honest, I'm not that impressed with the 10D. I would've rather seen Canon add some more features and keep the price the same as the D60 then this. |
Wait if you want, but you still won't have a camera. I'm not saying throw down $1500 but in my opinion if you just wait for something better you'll be waiting forever. These things are obsolete 6 months after they're introduced. It's better than my D30 and according to the review better than the D60 which I was going to buy anyway. This is a natural progression for me. I'd get a 1D if I could afford it, plus I've spent far too much on Canon lenses to move to another platform. |
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02/28/2003 01:32:26 PM · #24 |
Originally posted by bdshort:
heytoast: It does have new features... the big one being better autofocus. But it also has a magnesium shell instead of plastic, and increased resolution, even lower noise than the D60, more ISO options, etc., and it will sell for $500 less to boot! |
Yes I am aware of these newer features. For some these features might be great. For me I wouldn't have mind paying the D60's price for a bit more.
Message edited by author 2003-02-28 13:34:20. |
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02/28/2003 01:49:04 PM · #25 |
Originally posted by jimmyn4:
Wait if you want, but you still won't have a camera. I'm not saying throw down $1500 but in my opinion if you just wait for something better you'll be waiting forever. These things are obsolete 6 months after they're introduced. It's better than my D30 and according to the review better than the D60 which I was going to buy anyway. This is a natural progression for me. I'd get a 1D if I could afford it, plus I've spent far too much on Canon lenses to move to another platform. |
Not for something new. I think I should have explained myself. When a new product is release there are usually bugs,(engineers call them features), manufacturing defects, etc. These maybe resolved by firmware/software updates or slight adjustments in the manufacturing process. I don't really like being a beta tester. 3 or 4 months after a product is out gives it a chance to be out in real world conditions. It doesn't matter if Canon has a lab where they run tests. Bugs/defects get through all the time, nothing is immune from it, especially when something is new.
As far as becoming obsolete, how? Will there be some new standard which more resolution is needed to print a photo X"xX"? Or publish it on the web? Will you not be able to take a stunning photograph that communicates with a 1 or 2, maybe even a 3 year old camera? Do cameras from a couple years ago or more not have usb interface or other means of transfering photos to the computer? If it still functions, does the job you wanted/needed it to do in the first place, I find it hard to classify something as obsolete.
I can see for you it's probably the best option. For me I have some old Minolta stuff. I really had no intention of waiting for this camera anyways. Now with some other features I would have liked, then most likely. The price point is appealing, maybe their trying to make up for their mistake by not having these "new features" on the D60 in the first place. But in the end it's mostly personal preference.
Message edited by author 2003-02-28 13:52:34. |
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