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02/25/2003 02:08:02 PM · #1 |
The more I particpate in the challenges either when I vote or receive votes, the more I think that there should be 2 level of votes per image: artistic/orginality/theme and technic/composition.
Lots of people give you low scores just because they don't like the theme you chose but admit the technic was fine... so this says to me that it is a matter of taste. By having 2 levels of votes and combining results would give a balanced vote.
My 2 cents...
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02/25/2003 03:51:16 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by nathaliedoo:
The more I particpate in the challenges either when I vote or receive votes, the more I think that there should be 2 level of votes per image: artistic/orginality/theme and technic/composition.
Lots of people give you low scores just because they don't like the theme you chose but admit the technic was fine... so this says to me that it is a matter of taste. By having 2 levels of votes and combining results would give a balanced vote.
My 2 cents... |
That makes sense to me. I have often thought there should be 2 different voting options too. One for "Theme/Meets the Challenge" and one for "Technique".
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02/25/2003 04:01:49 PM · #3 |
| If we stick to the challenge and use technique will be no problem?? |
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02/25/2003 04:16:11 PM · #4 |
| This has been a topic many of times. I personally think the system now is just fine. Just think. Say your photo meets the challenge perfectly so the voter gives you a 10. But the technique is way off, out of focus, over exposed etc. So they give you a 1. Well I'm not a mathmetician(or speller) but I think the overall vote would be a 5. Of course I am talking about extremes. I really don't think your voting average received wouldn't change at all. |
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02/25/2003 04:18:45 PM · #5 |
| I had the opposite problem with despair, people saying they enjoyed the subject matter, but didn't like my soft focus technique. However I'm not bitter or resentful of this, I think the purpose of the challenge is to test your abillity as a photographer overall -- which is a package of vision and ability. |
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02/25/2003 04:24:13 PM · #6 |
Question: If I am viewing an image in a challenge and it in my opinion no way meeting the challenge but is the most technically perfect photograph I have ever seen, how do I score this? If in my opinion the photo doesn't meet the challenge, shouldn't I automatically give this photo the worst score possible since it totally has nothing to do with the challenge and potentially should have never been submitted in the first place?
No, I don't do this but some times I feel like doing it. Some people submit photography well knowing they have nothing to do with the challenge just to see a new photograph show up on their profile page next week.
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02/25/2003 04:27:56 PM · #7 |
Bill, it's totally up to you. Different people put different weights on different criteria ... I personally think if the challenge is not met, then the photo gets a 1. Otherwise, why have a challenge theme in the first place? I do however, comment on the photo as a photo as well, so I will highlight what I like and don't like in addition to whether or not the challenge is met.
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02/25/2003 04:29:55 PM · #8 |
part of the technique could be having an appropriate subject. how *well* you captured that subject would go in the artistic aspect.. that way, if i see an image that just doesn't fit the competition, i score a low number in each section.
just my thought on how i'd vote with that system...
Message edited by author 2003-02-25 16:30:30.
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02/25/2003 04:30:58 PM · #9 |
| If it's off topic I tell the user with my comment, and vote it lower than you normally would (about two points). |
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02/25/2003 04:31:33 PM · #10 |
I think the system is good as it is, the voters are the ones that drive me crazy! I believe that there is a learning curve to actually know what is a good photograph and appreciate the technical and artistic aspects that go into it. It makes me nuts when I get a 1 or a 2 just because the voter doesn't like, for example, photos of flowers. It is the voter's responsibility to take into consideration the quality of the photo not just whether or not they like it. It's like giving a negative review of dish at a 5 star restaurant because the dish had onions and the reviewer doesn't like onions.
Message edited by author 2003-02-25 16:32:14. |
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02/25/2003 04:35:15 PM · #11 |
| Again, I don't think a combination of votes will change your average. I think most people know when they have taken a technically great photo or vice versa on the challenge thing. I really think adding more votes will add to the time it takes to vote. Sometimes I don't finish with the ammount of submissions as it is. |
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02/25/2003 04:42:12 PM · #12 |
My photo for despair is getting two kinds of comments. One half says "Does not meet the challenge at all", the other half say "Challenge nailed. Wonderful interputation"...
Of course the score is horrible, largely because the folks that think it doesn't meet the challenge vote a 1 and move on.
It would be nice if before deciding that a photo doesn't meet the challenge at all, that people would 'look' for more than 3 seconds. But I submitted this shot knowing that no one would 'get' it at a glance and that I would score low. If I was here for a high score, I'd have taken a dark, gloomy, morbid shot. But I wouldn't have liked it as much as I do my current 3.7 entry that at least 2 people understood and liked. I'd rather shoot for the few that actually spend time looking at an image then for the folks that have to get it in the first 3 seconds or they click 1 and move on.
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02/25/2003 09:14:10 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by joanns:
I think the system is good as it is, the voters are the ones that drive me crazy! I believe that there is a learning curve to actually know what is a good photograph and appreciate the technical and artistic aspects that go into it. It makes me nuts when I get a 1 or a 2 just because the voter doesn't like, for example, photos of flowers. It is the voter's responsibility to take into consideration the quality of the photo not just whether or not they like it. It's like giving a negative review of dish at a 5 star restaurant because the dish had onions and the reviewer doesn't like onions. |
I agree, this is why I thought that a system with 2 levels would help evitate such kind of voting. They would give you a low score for "theme" but maybe a great score for "Technique" and then you'd get a "balanced" score.
I'm not sure that giving a great photo not meeting the challenge -2 points is fair: if a perfect photo that'd get 10 if theme met then gets a 8, still could win the challenge with a photo not meeting the theme!
Haaaaa...there's not perfect world...
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02/26/2003 04:09:05 AM · #14 |
Another 2 cents worth.....
Score
Focus 1
Lighting 1
Composition 2
Subject/Theme 2
Technique/Difficulty 2
Artistic/Bonus 2
With digital cameras, one can review the image immediately without waiting for the negatives to be developed. More emphasis should be given to technique, artistry and the difficulty level. For example, animal shots are more difficult to capture than still life and require alot of patience.
Just another 2 cents' worth.....
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02/26/2003 04:28:00 AM · #15 |
The "Theme" is important, otherwise it become an OPEN contest.
There are other venues for critiques such as //www.digitalphotocritique.com provided the photo gets the critiques' attention.
Maybe DP Challenge should set-up a DPC Photo Review for members/users. |
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02/26/2003 09:48:33 AM · #16 |
Nah, I don't think we should have two levels of voting (artistic and technical). A great photo is a great photo. Some really great shots out there that are technically weak but have great impact, and vis versa. Just my $.02.
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02/26/2003 10:23:05 AM · #17 |
Well, if everybody reads this thread, than it won't be necessary to have 2 levels of scoring!!!! They will know how to vote!
Let's pray they will all get those 2 cents and make a dollar out of it!
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