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11/11/2004 12:38:41 PM · #1
OK, the election is over, it's decided. Please, PLEASE start enforcing the rule about keeping political threads together. We're still seeing several pop up every day - could they all be put into one string, called "Put your political junk here" or something?
11/11/2004 12:56:44 PM · #2
Agreed.
11/11/2004 12:58:51 PM · #3
agreed
11/11/2004 01:04:45 PM · #4
I suggested this before - Add another check box below RANT called POLITICAL RANT on the preferences page. That way those who like the rants but not the political rants can opt out. Is that such a big frikken deal? A few extra keystrokes at best and very little extra bandwidth, if any. Agree?
11/11/2004 01:06:26 PM · #5
Originally posted by orussell:

I suggested this before - Add another check box below RANT called POLITICAL RANT on the preferences page. That way those who like the rants but not the political rants can opt out. Is that such a big frikken deal? A few extra keystrokes at best and very little extra bandwidth, if any. Agree?


A few of the SC agree but unfortunately, we were outvoted. :(
11/11/2004 01:08:04 PM · #6
Agreed. (Although may be too late..)
11/11/2004 01:08:56 PM · #7
Originally posted by mk:

Originally posted by orussell:

I suggested this before - Add another check box below RANT called POLITICAL RANT on the preferences page. That way those who like the rants but not the political rants can opt out. Is that such a big frikken deal? A few extra keystrokes at best and very little extra bandwidth, if any. Agree?


A few of the SC agree but unfortunately, we were outvoted. :(


Just another example of democracy in action I guess. Hang in there and thanks for the prompt response. :)
11/11/2004 01:14:26 PM · #8
I don't mind but I don't understand why is so hard to just not go there. Usualy you can see a thread is political from it's title. Let those interested go, you don't go. Is that simple, and everyone is happy.
11/11/2004 01:15:40 PM · #9
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

I don't mind but I don't understand why is so hard to just not go there. Usualy you can see a thread is political from it's title. Let those interested go, you don't go. Is that simple, and everyone is happy.


But it's still annoying to see it on the front page, pushing off Photography related threads.
11/11/2004 01:18:08 PM · #10
Originally posted by AmiYuy:

Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

I don't mind but I don't understand why is so hard to just not go there. Usualy you can see a thread is political from it's title. Let those interested go, you don't go. Is that simple, and everyone is happy.


But it's still annoying to see it on the front page, pushing off Photography related threads.


You can turn off the rant you know so they wont apear on your front page...
11/11/2004 01:18:36 PM · #11
You could make rant threads not show up on the front page in your prefs.

Edit: frum beat me to it :p

Message edited by author 2004-11-11 13:19:10.
11/11/2004 01:19:43 PM · #12
Originally posted by orussell:

I suggested this before - Add another check box below RANT called POLITICAL RANT on the preferences page. That way those who like the rants but not the political rants can opt out. Is that such a big frikken deal? A few extra keystrokes at best and very little extra bandwidth, if any. Agree?


Many others have suggested it too...and it is a great suggestion IMO.

Time for another poll? :-)
11/11/2004 01:25:33 PM · #13
I don't see the justification for promoting political threads on this site. If you want to talk about politics, go to a politics forum.

By posting about politics on a photography site all I see is people trying to force it on some people who it (a) isn't of interest to, and (b) isn't even relevant to.

I'd absolutely love this question answered -

You're posting a political thread on DPC... Why?
11/11/2004 01:29:55 PM · #14
Why not just go to DPC (Dumb Political Conversations) for the political threads. I don't see where they are relevant to photography so we don't even need a category for them. People complain about not enough time to evaluate pictures or add constructive comments and they think a forum for politics is needed!!!

Back to my cave.
11/11/2004 01:29:57 PM · #15
It's just talking man, people interacting with eachother, like in any comunity. Belive me if you would only talk photography in your life you will sooner or later begin to hate it.
11/11/2004 01:35:55 PM · #16
Originally posted by frumoaznicul:

It's just talking man, people interacting with eachother, like in any comunity. Belive me if you would only talk photography in your life you will sooner or later begin to hate it.


So? Go someplace else. This is a PHOTOGRAPHY website, we are supposed to talk photography here. There's a General Discussion forum for semi-non-photography stuff.

And NO I will NOT turn off my Rant section just because of political threads. Some threads in there I like to read.
11/11/2004 01:40:36 PM · #17
Originally posted by PaulMdx:

I don't see the justification for promoting political threads on this site. If you want to talk about politics, go to a politics forum.


Actaully, I tend to disagree. For me at least, photography is all about communication of thoughts, ideals, vision. Photography and politics aren't somehow entirely independant entities that should be kept apart.

Consider the 'poverty' challenge. Consider the vast majority of photojournalistic coverage. Consider the activism of Ansel Adams on environmental issues. Photography can be and is a tool for political discussion and change.

I'd support a political forum to allow those who want to avoid it, to mostly avoid it, but it isn't something that 'doesn't belong here' just like religion, sports or love aren't things that 'don't belong here'

And NO I will NOT turn off my Rant section just because of political threads. Some threads in there I like to read.
And NO I will NOT turn off my Rant section just because of non-political threads. Some threads in there I like to read.

Message edited by author 2004-11-11 13:41:50.
11/11/2004 01:43:10 PM · #18
Originally posted by Gordon:

Originally posted by PaulMdx:

I don't see the justification for promoting political threads on this site. If you want to talk about politics, go to a politics forum.


Actaully, I tend to disagree. For me at least, photography is all about communication of thoughts, ideals, vision. Photography and politics aren't somehow entirely independant entities that should be kept apart.

Consider the 'poverty' challenge. Consider the vast majority of photojournalistic coverage. Consider the activism of Ansel Adams on environmental issues. Photography can be and is a tool for political discussion and change.

I'd support a political forum to allow those who want to avoid it, to mostly avoid it, but it isn't something that 'doesn't belong here' just like religion, sports or love aren't things that 'don't belong here'


If taken in that light, then the political issues discussed should somehow be related to what is being photographed. However, I have not seen any threads about politics that have related at all to photography. If they are, then they usually go into the General Discussion or other forums and do not become debates between members.

Message edited by author 2004-11-11 13:43:53.
11/11/2004 01:45:46 PM · #19
I agree that they can be posted here. But, they are out of control. The SC once said they were going to police it, and politely asked the political people to keep everything in one thread. That request was promptly ignored. For the longest time, Discover Freedom was the only political thread. After a short while I lost interest and stopped looking at it, and it wasn't a problem to have that one thread on the front page as some interested parties used it. Now there are consistently 5 or 6 on my front page, against the request of the SC. I'm just begging for some enforcement of a prior announcement. SC - create a thread called "Politial Stuff" and lock all other political threads. That's the solution, essentially, you already said you would do.
11/11/2004 01:47:10 PM · #20
y'all know about the ignore option, right ? You'll never see any given thread more than once. I use it a whole lot for DQ threads.


11/11/2004 01:48:11 PM · #21
Originally posted by Gordon:

For me at least, photography is all about communication of thoughts, ideals, vision. Photography and politics aren't somehow entirely independant entities that should be kept apart.

If the politics mentioned was in relation to PJ, etc, then fair enough.

The politics threads we see bear little relation to photography. What they do seem to contain is posts trying to push their opinion on people who come here for photography, not to mention cyclic arguments between themselves. I see this as neither productive nor beneficial to the photographers here.
11/11/2004 01:49:17 PM · #22
There have been a few good points made I'd like to respond to, but I'm too lazy to directly quote the originals, so scan up a few messages for context :)

(1) Politics for the sake of politics

I don't think that politics for the sake of politics is appropriate on a photography site like DPC. If you want to debate liberal vs. conservative, etc, there are plenty of political forums. When this comes up I often think that people aren't aware that other forums exist on the Internet besides DPC. I'm all for being well rounded, but don't get that way by diluting the photographic content of DPC - get rounded by enhancing the political content of another site.

(2) Politics for the sake of photography

A great example was given in the activism of Ansel Adams - and there are many others. However, let's be honest... In the political rants how often are they about the political impact of photography? Not very often in my observation. If those threads were populated by folks who wanted to discuss the use of photography for activism or promotion of their political beliefs, I don't think most people would be up in arms right now.

I'd love to see examples of photography for a cause discussed in an intelligent manner. But I want to hear about the PHOTOGRAPHY and how it imapcted the cause. Not about the cause itself with no relate back to the reason I joined this site: PHOTOGRAPHY.
11/11/2004 01:49:20 PM · #23
Originally posted by Gordon:

y'all know about the ignore option, right ? You'll never see any given thread more than once. I use it a whole lot for DQ threads.


And why should I have to? Anyway, I don't want to even waste my time by having to go to it and select the Ignore option.
11/11/2004 01:51:49 PM · #24
Originally posted by AmiYuy:

Originally posted by Gordon:

y'all know about the ignore option, right ? You'll never see any given thread more than once. I use it a whole lot for DQ threads.


And why should I have to? Anyway, I don't want to even waste my time by having to go to it and select the Ignore option.


Why shouldn't you have to ? You don't have to waste your time opening the threads and posting to them either, but you seem to manage.
11/11/2004 01:57:06 PM · #25
put it another way. DPC is a community. It happens to be mainly focused on photography. We also, as a community, happen to discuss stuff. Some folk talk about politics, other folk bicker about sensor minuta and technical junk. Other's post moronic jokes that I saw for the first time 15 years ago. That's kinda what real or virtual communities are. They talk about life, with all the knobs and wrinkles that has.

I go to a photography club once a month. We all hang out, talk about stuff, life, love, politics, religion, photography - all the things that make us who we are and bring us together. There is a shared common interest and a lot of divergent areas. If we just talked about photography we'd have a whole lot less community, less mutual understanding or respect. I think any and all of the off topic discussions make this place what it is, rather than somewhere like dpreview.

There aren't many photography communities on line as strong as dpc. Because we are larger than just one thing. Be careful what you wish for. You might just get it.

Message edited by author 2004-11-11 13:57:55.
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