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11/07/2004 06:01:12 PM · #1 |
I see a lot of photos about choices in the "Indecision" entries. I wouldn't give a good (over 5) score to pictures that showed just "choices". For example:
 (my from Choices challenge)
In my opinion it is not the same. There should be some element of lack of decision in the picture, like a facial expresion, movement or time lapses, just to be on topic. This is just my thought on this challenge. |
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11/07/2004 06:09:32 PM · #2 |
Originally posted by artvet:
I see a lot of photos about choices in the "Indecision" entries. I wouldn't give a good (over 5) score to pictures that showed just "choices". For example:
(my from Choices challenge)
In my opinion it is not the same. There should be some element of lack of decision in the picture, like a facial expresion, movement or time lapses, just to be on topic. This is just my thought on this challenge. |
I understand what you are saying but the fact that you have a choice means you are undecided until you make that choice.
I really think it is splitting hairs but on the same hand the entries that do display indecision should score much higher. |
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11/07/2004 09:04:43 PM · #3 |
| I'm with you on this one artvet - too many cop-outs in my view. The state of indecision really should be apparent. |
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11/07/2004 09:23:58 PM · #4 |
Decision/indecision by definition cannot exist without choices -- it is the existence of choices which creates the possibility of decision/indecision.
I took "indecision" to be the presentation of two (or more) choices where no one choice presented an obvious advantage. |
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11/07/2004 09:54:37 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Decision/indecision by definition cannot exist without choices -- it is the existence of choices which creates the possibility of decision/indecision.
I took "indecision" to be the presentation of two (or more) choices where no one choice presented an obvious advantage. |
exactly! :o) |
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11/07/2004 10:16:57 PM · #6 |
I just voted and commented on every single entry in that challenge. Tiring, can't imagine doing that for the free study. After seeing all the great actual indecision pictures, and the many "choice" pictures, I can tell you that I DEFINITELY notice a difference between the 2. They are 2 different words for a reason.
That reason is time constraints. People don't get angry with you for being unable to choose between getting a coke or a water on your own time in your own house. People DO however get angry with you for being so damned indecisive when there is a waitor asking you that question and she still has other orders to fill out in a restuarant. And your "indecision" causes a delay.
It's a stigma and a flaw at times. Not choosing on your own time is not.
For example, voting indecision exists because there is an inevitable deadline for that decision to be made. Choosing between water and coke on your own time shows no sense of urgency and although it is a decision, it is without much consequence to anyone but yourself and noone cares. Decision 2000, Decision 2004. Time changes the meaning of a word, that's why words are followed up with numbers, or there is a prefix such as "in-".
I didn't submit an entry so don't have your pitchforks ready. Just my 2 cents and voting logic. :D |
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11/07/2004 10:38:20 PM · #7 |
It was clear to me that the "Indecision" challenge was going to be a “choice vs. indecision†interpretation. The “Indecision†challenge seemed simple but imo was one of the most complex challenges that I have seen in a long time. The difference between choice and indecision is not in anyway parallel. As in the above example picture “fries vs. apple†[A great picture] is clearly a picture of choice it does not show in anyway a person having indecision on which choice to make. When taking a picture of ‘indecision’ you must show the uncertainty that the subject has before them which is very hard to do. I did not think I could achieve the proper image to convey ‘indecision’ so I did not participate.
Message edited by author 2004-11-07 22:38:32. |
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11/08/2004 12:42:55 AM · #8 |
| I think that the Indecision challenge was difficult and on short notice making it very challenging. I know that my entry is not technically mastered and needs more work to be just good. "hyphaefungi" put nicely into words my thoughts regarding the definition of indecision - thank you. I decided just to try the speed challenge - never done it before. My approach to challenges changed recently. I think that I improved my technical skills since I joined DPC. The time when I wanted to submit a photo for every challenge has passed, now I want to enter only if my picture is worth, in my opinion, at least 5 on average- but I have learned on the Indecision entry that my assumptions can be wrong. |
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11/08/2004 12:59:43 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by artvet:
I think that the Indecision challenge was difficult and on short notice making it very challenging. |
It was indeed quite a difficult decision to enter or not ... : ) |
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11/08/2004 01:14:22 AM · #10 |
There have been millions of threads like this, and I say pretty much the same thing on all of them.
If you are arrogant enough to say that your definition of "indecision" is the right one, and the photographer is wrong, then I pity your family and those around you.
"Irresolution" is listed as a definition of indecision in the dictionary. If you haven't resolved it, there is indecision. Try to give the photographer the benefit of the doubt here. After all, it's his/her picture, and his/her vision.
Message edited by author 2004-11-08 01:15:25.
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11/08/2004 01:44:13 AM · #11 |
Steven, you sound defensive.
Arrogant ? (unpleasantly proud and behaving as if you are more important than, or know more than, other people)
I see it more like learning, trying to understand and have an opinion, discussing without abusing.
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