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02/18/2021 03:10:29 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by streetpigeon:
It's one thing to hold varying opinions, but if the thrust of one's opinion is to degrade, deprive and visit violence on other people, respect for such an opinion is forfeited. |
This was Rush Limbaugh to a T.
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02/18/2021 08:26:21 PM · #27 |
I read this post with interest and was reminded of a quote by Nora Roberts, a well known author who said: "âPeople who say not to speak ill of the dead are hypocrites, because you can take it to the bank they're thinking ill.â
That pretty much sums up my views on this matter.
Ray
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02/18/2021 09:38:22 PM · #28 |
I used to listen to him back when I was in an office where I could basically pick up just one radio station in the mid-90s. I honestly couldn't stand the guy, and I swore that if I ever met him, I was going to have a hard time keeping myself from punching him in the head.
Then, I did meet him on the sidelines of a Steelers game (he was a big Steelers fan, and was at several of the games I shot over the years). Oddly enough, in person he was a very nice, humble guy. He asked me to take a photo of him with his wife with his camera, which I did. He was very gracious, and kind to everyone around him. So I didn't punch him in the head.
Don't get me wrong, I still think he's a genuinely horrible person, but I do wonder how much of this is hooped up just to make a name for himself on the radio? It is a shame that one person can use a medium to spread so much hate, and this is where we are today.
 
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02/18/2021 10:15:50 PM · #29 |
It's important to realize/make a distinction between the person we MEET and their actions/beliefs. As a long-time member of San Diego Yacht Club and participant in the yacht-racing scene, I had numerous (and often extended) interactions with genuinely courtly gentlemen whose personal politics and beliefs were so far back in the stone age (by my standards) as to be abhorrent. They were wonderful to hang out with, do business with, and so forth. Politics and religion were never discussed.
Looking at it in retrospect, it's hard to make up my mind if I was acting in a mature, non-judgemental manner or a hypocritical one. Or if it even matters... After all, these hard-core Republican captains of industry were happy to have a flaming hippie, long hair & peace signs included, on the crew...
None of this is exactly relevant to the issue, I suppose, but it has me musing. I *was* happier when I crewed for Ted Turner than I was when I crewed for Tom Watson (think IBM honcho) for whatever that's worth. In both cases we are talking one-regatta crew berths, BTW, not the permanent crew. I worked for the sailmaker at the time, and both of them were older graduates of my university... |
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02/19/2021 12:42:11 AM · #30 |
| Yesterday I spent two hours trying to convince a moth that flying into my heat lamp was a bad idea. I never did get through to him, but the heat lamp sure did. |
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02/19/2021 03:45:20 PM · #31 |
from posthumous
Yesterday I spent two hours trying to convince a moth that flying into my heat lamp was a bad idea. I never did get through to him, but the heat lamp sure did.
Nice. Gonna spend two hours plumbing the mystery of it, then revert to fog. Annoyingly difficult to convince someone of one's own obvious contentions. |
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02/19/2021 11:00:47 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by posthumous:
Yesterday I spent two hours trying to convince a moth that flying into my heat lamp was a bad idea. I never did get through to him, but the heat lamp sure did. |
My thoughts exactly. We've all posted our thoughts and some are as angry as dead, rich, ole Rush. It's time to let him die. |
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02/20/2021 08:31:56 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
My thoughts exactly. We've all posted our thoughts and some are as angry as dead, rich, ole Rush. It's time to let him die. |
This is the kind of high road mentality that allows evil people like Limbaugh and Trump to do the irreparable damage they do.
Good for those of you who are so highly evolved, but there are those of us out here who will keep the fire burning so that monsters like these have a more difficult time getting their way.
It's just like the people who talk about what a great statesman Ted Kennedy was.
He still killed a woman in a drunken frenzy and ran away.
Some things and some people aren't simply a "It's over now, let's move on." kind of thing for some of us.
Some of us were raised under some pretty harsh rules that were not negotiable.
One of the things we were taught was that there was no statute of limitations on character and integrity.
If you were a bad person, that didn't just go away after a while and a few good acts.
I'll still piss on his grave.
Message edited by author 2021-02-20 08:33:47.
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02/20/2021 11:09:55 AM · #34 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
One of the things we were taught was that there was no statute of limitations on character and integrity...
I'll still piss on his grave. |
There's some character and integrity for ya! :D
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02/20/2021 01:08:31 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
One of the things we were taught was that there was no statute of limitations on character and integrity...
I'll still piss on his grave. |
There's some character and integrity for ya! :D |
Do you believe everything you see or read on the net or your fav tv station? Interesting. Were you there? Did you do your own research behind the media. Do you have special insight? Can you judge fairly and unbiased? I can't. I love you guys, I'm not perfect, therefore my judgments could harm someone. I'm glad there are so many perfect people, it takes the heat off me. |
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02/20/2021 02:12:10 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
One of the things we were taught was that there was no statute of limitations on character and integrity...
I'll still piss on his grave. |
Originally posted by Lydia:
There's some character and integrity for ya! :D |
Nice job of cherry picking that post.
I stand by what I said.
You don't like what I have to say about this scumbag, fine, but what you think of me or how you want to characterize my vehement dislike of him doesn't make him any better.
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02/20/2021 02:28:13 PM · #37 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
Originally posted by Lydia:
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
One of the things we were taught was that there was no statute of limitations on character and integrity...
I'll still piss on his grave. |
There's some character and integrity for ya! :D |
Do you believe everything you see or read on the net or your fav tv station? Interesting. Were you there? Did you do your own research behind the media. Do you have special insight? Can you judge fairly and unbiased? I can't. I love you guys, I'm not perfect, therefore my judgments could harm someone. I'm glad there are so many perfect people, it takes the heat off me. |
"Do your own research" -Q
Yes, Jeb did his own research. So did I. Keep in mind this is also what Flat Earthers say. "Do your own research" means "I can't see the curve of the earth out my window so the world is flat."
It was amazing how often people said this to me about Trump, that I was basing my opinion of him on the biased media. Meanwhile, I'd known Trump decades before he was a political figure. Meanwhile, Trump shapes his own public image, not the media. It is the only thing he has any competence at or devotion to. Meanwhile I've listened to and read transcripts of his rallies. I've heard more from Trump's mouth than from any other public figure. I've done my own research. And so has Jeb. People talk about libs being condescending and meanwhile the favorite phrase of the right is "do your own research"
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02/20/2021 02:29:53 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
Do you believe everything you see or read on the net or your fav tv station? |
Nope. Sure don't. That's why I research things I want to know about through many different sources. Often.
Kinda like this:
Snopes on Limbaugh mocking dying gays
Newsweek on Limbaugh mocking dying gays
I'm assuming you'll take Robert's assessment of Heather Cox Richardson as to her having some veracity.
So perhaps read her take on it if you didn't.
Perhaps you at least read about or saw the video of Limbaugh's "No means yes if you know how to spot it."?
How disgusting does this guy have to be before you see him for the evil that he was?
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
Interesting. Were you there? Did you do your own research behind the media. |
I had to bite my tongue often because my father and stepmother loved him.
And back to the research, yes, and I did listen every now and then simply because I needed to hve my dislike validated, and yes, he was awful.
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
Do you have special insight? Can you judge fairly and unbiased? I can't. I love you guys, I'm not perfect, therefore my judgments could harm someone. |
It's not really a case of judging. My opinion doesn't mean squat in the grand scheme. Ergo, why do I have to attempt to factor in some meager iota of good the man may have done when fundamentally he was awful?
You must have some kind of special powers 'cause most people I know, having a negative opinion of some figure such as this man, won't hurt anyone. Oh.....and it's pretty standard for public figures to have opinions of them, both positive and negative, openly voiced and discussed in public.
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
I'm glad there are so many perfect people, it takes the heat off me. |
False dichotomy, projection, and pretty flippin' disingenuous. Nobody's claiming to be perfect, and nobody needs to be to point out what a sh*tbag Limbaugh was.
Message edited by author 2021-02-20 14:40:25.
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02/20/2021 03:01:26 PM · #39 |
Originally posted by Cyrilda:
Did you do your own research |
Once I hear this, I know to automatically dismiss anything further that person has to say.
I've done a lot of research in my life. Full scholarships throughout my undergrad, masters, and PhD. I've worked with Nobel prize laureates. You know one thing I've learned, is you can't always do your own research. Want to know why? Resources.
So when Ted on his YouTube channel talks about how COVID isn't real and masks don't work. I don't listen. My options are qualified medical experts at the NiH with a $38.7B budget or Neil reporting out of his garage.
Unfortunately in the US you can swap my COVID example with a myriad of other stances and have the same conversation. As a neighbour to the country, it's disheartening. |
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02/20/2021 06:49:43 PM · #40 |
Let's talk about "doing your own research" for a second...
I'm interested in learning more about the life & times of Jeremiah Doppleganger, the renowned chimney sweep of the Edwardian era in London. Where do I go? I don't have access to original source materials. But that's not important! I can find out who HAS studied the life & times of JD and I can study what they wrote to learn more. And if I get really interested, especially if there's a Doppleganger controversy amongst scholars of Edwardian-period life in London, why then, I can SEEK OUT opposing points of view and weigh them and draw my own conclusions.
THAT's research for folks like most of us, who are not academics and do not have specialties we have delved deep into.
What's that have to do with Rush Limbaugh? Well, in HIS case we DO have access to the source materials; we can do PRIMARY research! We can listen to his tapes and hear his opinions out of his own mouth. Unless, of course, we're deaf, which is why I get up every morning and sing a hymn of praise to *transcribers*, gawd bless 'em (though I digress). Same goes for our newest ex-President and, for that matter, all sorts of public figures in the newly-enlightened 21st century (a hint of sarcasm there).
So I don't understand this "do your own research" retort as applied to Rush in particular. All I can figure is the OP thinks we (collectively, those of us who dislike Limbaugh) are nothing more than echo chambers, that we haven't studied the man's own words and drawn our own conclusions, but just blindly follow the "radical left-wingers" who denounce him.
I'd followed Rush for years. I felt it was important to know what was going on on that side of the divide, so to speak. One quote of his that really stands out for me:
âYou know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.â
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02/20/2021 07:19:57 PM · #41 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Let's talk about "doing your own research" for a second... |
Like the followers of "Q" do? (sorry for the digression -- I think there's considerable overlap among the proponents of one "side" or the other) |
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02/20/2021 07:38:54 PM · #42 |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTfhYyTuT44
If you want to waste 90 minutes watching a video about conspiracy theories.
I know we're getting off topic from hating on Rush, but it follows. |
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02/20/2021 07:52:51 PM · #43 |
Originally posted by Venser:
I know we're getting off topic from hating on Rush, but it follows. |
There's plenty to go around ...
Originally posted by Tom Lehrer:
I'm sure we all agree that we ought to love one another, and I know there are people in the world who do not love their fellow human beings, and I hate people like that! Here's a song about National Brotherhood Week. |
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02/21/2021 07:34:21 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
"radical left-wingers" |
I'm still looking for a good example of this creature.
I know I've been accused of this in discourse because I ask for facts, logic, reason, and common sense, but.....
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02/21/2021 08:39:08 AM · #45 |
Having read this thread again I am drawing a conclusion that "trumpism" is a form of a religious cult where supporters are blind believers, they do not question anything about what their leaders say or do, just follow them blindly. They seem to forget the basics of humanity, ethics, good behavior.. the things my parents taught me, and possibly so did their parents. They have been brain-washed by the relentless repetition of lies, half-truths and hatred.
My experience with religious fanatics is that no rational arguments can reach their minds, they will dismiss everything. This is why I feel very helpless and worried about the future of the world. If this continues the dictatorship in your country is going to happen, sooner than later. |
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02/21/2021 09:41:18 AM · #46 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
My experience with religious fanatics is that no rational arguments can reach their minds, they will dismiss everything. This is why I feel very helpless and worried about the future of the world. If this continues the dictatorship in your country is going to happen, sooner than later. |
It's too late for the US.
Just look at the current list of republicans in the house and senate.
Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert are two highly unqualified representatives who's only position is to "fuck libtards". They bring absolutely no substance to the table.
Then you have the sycophants (Matt Gaetz, Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, any senator who didn't vote to impeach Trump, ...), a list far too long.
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02/21/2021 12:33:28 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Having read this thread again I am drawing a conclusion that "trumpism" is a form of a religious cult where supporters are blind believers, they do not question anything about what their leaders say or do, just follow them blindly. |
Precisely. Personality, not principles ... |
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02/21/2021 02:01:23 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
Having read this thread again I am drawing a conclusion that "trumpism" is a form of a religious cult where supporters are blind believers, they do not question anything about what their leaders say or do, just follow them blindly. |
What's even weirder is that you can prove him wrong, refute his claims, substantiate your position from any number of reliable sources and they will not believe anything other than his ravings.
It's frightening and dangerous, as evidenced by his inciting an insurrection. That there are people who feel that the action was valid on any level is an indication of just how scary it is for those of us with an IQ over 35.
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Precisely. Personality, not principles ... |
I would hardly call the lizard-like machinations of what crawls around inside that skull as a personaliyty.
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02/21/2021 02:04:00 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
My experience with religious fanatics is that no rational arguments can reach their minds, they will dismiss everything. |
That the Evangelical Christians got on board with the man despite everything he does being diametrically opposed to Christian tenets still stuns me.
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02/21/2021 03:06:40 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by NikonJeb:
Originally posted by MargaretNet:
My experience with religious fanatics is that no rational arguments can reach their minds, they will dismiss everything. |
That the Evangelical Christians got on board with the man despite everything he does being diametrically opposed to Christian tenets still stuns me. |
Does it?
One word, judges. Stack the courts.
Factoid time.
US - There are no qualification requirements to be a US supreme court judge. No age, education, job experience, or citizenship rules exist. Then you can stay there until you die.
Canada - Any person may be appointed a judge who is or has been a judge of a superior court of a province or a barrister or advocate of at least ten years standing at the bar of a province. Must retire at 75 years of age.
Blows my fucking mind that you can be appointed to the highest court without any experience.
For an example, look no further than ACB.
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