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11/01/2004 09:49:06 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by jadin:
Haha, or vote angry. 1's 2's and 3's across the board. ;) |
Why? What will this prove?
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11/01/2004 09:54:11 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by TooCool:
Originally posted by Imagineer:
But now, some of these people are now perceived as the 'little guys'. |
Why? By whom? Themselves? |
Because someone has written it. |
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11/01/2004 10:00:02 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by vince31874:
They have proven that "on this site" they are masters. It should not make you feel less, or make photographers in general think their work is not up to par. Its all about taste. |
Your point here simply makes it more desirable to have a different kind of 'master' - like those who has seven 7s or more, for example.
Taste is a burning issue around here too. For every bland 'pop star' there are plenty of really talented indie acts excluded from the charts.
Message edited by author 2004-11-01 10:00:25. |
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11/01/2004 10:00:50 AM · #79 |
I personally think the masters challenge is great idea...
... but what's with all these needy people discussing a losers challenge? SERIOUSLY. It shouldn't even be an idea! I'm sorry I just can't quite grasp why anyone would want to deflate the value of a ribbon. I for one would personally cease to participate in any future challenges if such an abysmal suggestion were to actually occur.
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11/01/2004 10:13:57 AM · #80 |
Originally posted by Kali:
I personally think the masters challenge is great idea...
... but what's with all these needy people discussing a losers challenge? SERIOUSLY. It shouldn't even be an idea! I'm sorry I just can't quite grasp why anyone would want to deflate the value of a ribbon. |
Well put! I wasn't sure if maybe a less-than-3-ribbons-only challenge would be good, but now that you put it that way, I think not. I don't think we should ever exclude someone for being 'too good'. Right? |
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11/01/2004 10:23:39 AM · #81 |
Well I'm still mad because I suggested an impressionism challenge over a year ago, and I've been patiently waiting for it to happen. Now it does, and I can't play. Sure, there might be a Impressionism II challenge, but in how long?!?!?!?!?
In any case, if people want to see "masters" competing only with each other, then why not have two ribbon categories in every challenge? A "masters" ribbon, and a "challengers" ribbon category? Isn't that more typical of contests anyway? |
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11/01/2004 10:32:52 AM · #82 |
When trying to decide whether or not these âMasters Onlyâ challenges were a good idea or not, you should ask yourself, âAre these challenges doing anything to bring us all closer together as a community, or are they dividing us and alienating some of the members?â
I think it is quite obvious that these âMasters Onlyâ challenges were a bad idea. The fact that the subject has generated so much debate, and that some members are complaining about it, to the point of leaving, makes it obvious. Whether you personally think it was a good idea or not is immaterial. The facts are that it has caused debate, is dividing us, and is alienating members.
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11/01/2004 10:34:58 AM · #83 |
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining.
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11/01/2004 10:37:49 AM · #84 |
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
Doesn't change the fact that many were, and still are, complaining. |
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11/01/2004 10:38:45 AM · #85 |
There were threads lauding individual photos and perhaps a few praising the overall entries. But there were also opinions that there were no more outstanding photos than there would have been in a regular month-long free study.
...how could there be unless there was an attempt made by most of the Masters to try something new?
For the most part, I didn't see this attempt. That's why I think the experiment failed and why I don't understand 'part II' of the experiment.
Message edited by author 2004-11-01 10:39:06.
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11/01/2004 10:40:07 AM · #86 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
...how could there be unless there was an attempt made by most of the Masters to try something new?
For the most part, I didn't see this attempt. That's why I think the experiment failed and why I don't understand 'part II' of the experiment. |
Thats the reason that this time isn't a free study, and the challenge topic is trying to force users out of their usual styles.
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11/01/2004 10:41:28 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
There are always threads that applaud the quality of free-study challenges. |
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11/01/2004 10:42:05 AM · #88 |
Originally posted by DougPaz:
Terry,
It may have been mentioned somewhere else but I missed it. What is the reasoning for the increase from two to three ribbons? It is because of more ribbon winners in the meantime? Two would seem to be a better bet on this shortened and more narrow themed challenge. No complaints as I think that the Masters Challenge is a WONDERFUL addition to the site, I just wondered about the reasoning. |
I am also wondering about this. With the bar set at 2 ribbons, we only got 69 entries. Wasn't the last one decreased to 2 from 3 because they felt they would not get enough participants? Are you looking to get only 50 or fewer entries this time? Or are there so many more eligible participants now?
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11/01/2004 10:42:43 AM · #89 |
...but why 'force' just the masters?
With less than 70 entries in a month-long free study with a lower minimum ribbons required for entry, how many entries do we expect in this challenge?
Edit: doubled-up opinions due to slow typing!
Message edited by author 2004-11-01 10:43:16.
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11/01/2004 10:43:20 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by DougPaz:
Terry,
It may have been mentioned somewhere else but I missed it. What is the reasoning for the increase from two to three ribbons? It is because of more ribbon winners in the meantime? Two would seem to be a better bet on this shortened and more narrow themed challenge. No complaints as I think that the Masters Challenge is a WONDERFUL addition to the site, I just wondered about the reasoning. |
You're right Doug. The two-ribbon winners have been demoted to limbo land. |
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11/01/2004 10:44:12 AM · #91 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
There are always threads that applaud the quality of free-study challenges. |
I don't want a recurrance of our discussion last time... but are there not always complaints whenever anything new is done also?
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11/01/2004 10:44:24 AM · #92 |
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
When I log on to, say, PhotoPoints, I can see dozens of great shots daily. There's no restriction on theme there. DPC, by it's very nature, won't produce that number of quality shots even on a weekly basis, and neither should it. On the other hand, the challenges exhibit a far greater variety and degree of imagination than found anywhere else.
When the masters' challenge was unthemed, it was only natural that there would be a lot of diverse and wonderful entries. Restricting it to a theme will limit both the number and quality of entries. |
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11/01/2004 10:45:48 AM · #93 |
I don't want to seem like I'm against the idea 'in principle'. I was excited about the first Master's Challenge. In a nutshell, here's my question:
The first Master's Challenge was deemed 'an experiment'. By what criteria was this experiment a success?
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11/01/2004 10:46:21 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
I find it quite unfair that they get another challenge... I feel like I am an underrated photographer on this site, and that there should be a challenge for the non ribbon winning folks of the site. We just had a masters challenge, now another one so soon? I for one am not happy about that. |
Originally posted by jmlelii:
suprise, suprise, MY BEST PHOTO FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH IS SCORING BELOW A 5. I'm sick of having photos win competitions outside DPC, not just online stuff, but real competitions of prints, and on here they score sub 5. Thats ridiculous. I am becoming fed up with this sub 5 crap. ESPECIALLY when its the best photo from an entire MONTH. |
/Sarcasm on
Well at least you're humble :)
Personally I think you should take your ball and go home.
/Sarcasm off
I think the masters challenge is a wonderful idea that really brings the best out of the best.
It gives aspiring photographers (such as myself) something to admire and aspire to.
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11/01/2004 10:46:54 AM · #95 |
Originally posted by jlhudson:
It gives aspiring photographers (such as myself) something to admire and aspire to. |
Doesn't every challenge do this?
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11/01/2004 10:46:59 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
There are always threads that applaud the quality of free-study challenges. |
I don't want a recurrance of our discussion last time... but are there not always complaints whenever anything new is done also? |
Maybe, but that is a different argument. I wanted to point out that your argument in favour of master's challenges was flawed. |
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11/01/2004 10:48:22 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Konador:
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by Konador:
By the end of the last masters challenge there were more threads applauding the quality of photos etc than there were complaining. |
There are always threads that applaud the quality of free-study challenges. |
I don't want a recurrance of our discussion last time... but are there not always complaints whenever anything new is done also? |
Maybe, but that is a different argument. I wanted to point out that your argument in favour of master's challenges was flawed. |
It was more of an observation than an argument, but either way, point taken :)
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11/01/2004 10:52:48 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by jlhudson:
It gives aspiring photographers (such as myself) something to admire and aspire to. |
Doesn't every challenge do this? |
Every challenge certainly has shots that I admire and makes me wish I had the skill to create such an image. However the master's challenge took that to a whole new level for me and personally I think it is a great idea.
By "aspire" I mean it in two ways:
1) aspire to be able to take pictures as good as the masters
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2) aspire to be able to compete in the master's challenge
So to answer your question:
Sort of. :) |
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11/01/2004 11:21:51 AM · #99 |
Watch all these people go quiet once they have 3 ribbons. hehe
Message edited by author 2004-11-01 11:22:13. |
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11/01/2004 11:23:40 AM · #100 |
I posted this below and I'd love to hear from you, Jon (or anyone else):
I don't want to seem like I'm against the idea 'in principle'. I was excited about the first Master's Challenge. In a nutshell, here's my question:
The first Master's Challenge was deemed 'an experiment'. By what criteria was this experiment a success?
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