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11/01/2004 05:33:22 AM · #51
From reading and interpreting the comments i've read above, i would imagine the major gripe is that the fact that another masters challenge (albeit, not an open one)follows so suddenly after the last. I think it might be nice for variations on the same theme to be considered. seperate bonus challenges for different levels of skill, such as:
the single ribbon winners (as mentioned before in another thread),
the zero ribbon winners,
the finished in the top ten but never got a ribbon people
just the blue (or red, or yellow, or "green") ribbon winners,
new people to the site (entered in the last 2 months, or only entered no more than 10 challenges),
non dSLR pictures (it'll be fun having a compact only challenge),
the 500+ commenting peoples
and countless other things.

take any statistic you like from the site, and give them a challenge! possibilities are nearly infinite!!
11/01/2004 05:38:16 AM · #52
Originally posted by redmoon:

From reading and interpreting the comments i've read above, i would imagine the major gripe is that the fact that another masters challenge (albeit, not an open one)follows so suddenly after the last. I think it might be nice for variations on the same theme to be considered. seperate bonus challenges for different levels of skill, such as:
the single ribbon winners (as mentioned before in another thread),
the zero ribbon winners,
the finished in the top ten but never got a ribbon people
just the blue (or red, or yellow, or "green") ribbon winners,
new people to the site (entered in the last 2 months, or only entered no more than 10 challenges),
non dSLR pictures (it'll be fun having a compact only challenge),
the 500+ commenting peoples
and countless other things.

take any statistic you like from the site, and give them a challenge! possibilities are nearly infinite!!


I think your idea rocks.
I don't feel anything is taken away from me as a member by a Masters Challenge but at the same time I think it's dull dull dull to have another so soon after the last. I'd also prefer to see some other creative ideas such as yours explored.
11/01/2004 05:46:44 AM · #53
Quick question - are non-members with three ribbons able to enter?
11/01/2004 06:11:42 AM · #54
suprise, suprise, MY BEST PHOTO FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH IS SCORING BELOW A 5. I'm sick of having photos win competitions outside DPC, not just online stuff, but real competitions of prints, and on here they score sub 5. Thats ridiculous. I am becoming fed up with this sub 5 crap. ESPECIALLY when its the best photo from an entire MONTH.
11/01/2004 06:17:45 AM · #55
Originally posted by jmlelii:

suprise, suprise, MY BEST PHOTO FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH IS SCORING BELOW A 5. I'm sick of having photos win competitions outside DPC, not just online stuff, but real competitions of prints, and on here they score sub 5. Thats ridiculous. I am becoming fed up with this sub 5 crap. ESPECIALLY when its the best photo from an entire MONTH.


Why not post them on here so we can see.
11/01/2004 06:18:48 AM · #56
I've looked and looked, but WHERE does it say you need 3 ribbons to enter the Master's challenge?
11/01/2004 06:31:21 AM · #57
With regards to a Master's Challenge so soon after the last one:
This site has member and non-member challenges EVERY WEEK. What's wrong with a Master Challenge every month.
AND
Did you see the QUALITY of the photos in the last Master's Challenge?
What a learning experience! Awesome Awesome photos to view and learn from. The greatest way to learn is to look at great photo's and come to understand why they are great! Looking at pictures of big toes, sprained ankles, your dog, your cat, and over/underexposed shots of various household items don't do it for me! (I've taken my share of them god knows)
The Masters Challenge is a great thing to have ... at LEAST once a month. I wish I qualified for it and so should everyone else because then it means your photography has improved to a new level. Isn't that what we all want? To be better?
If not....then what the hell do you you want? Status quo is never good enough for me if there is room to improve and grow and be more effectively creative.
P.S. ...Glad to see that qualification has been upped to three ribbons...gives the term "master" more credibility.
As far as challenges for Non ribbon winning members or one ribbon winning members...we have them....EVERY WEEK.

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 06:34:24.
11/01/2004 06:47:18 AM · #58
Originally posted by graphicfunk:

But wait: it does not have a qualifying clause. This may be open to all members? Site council: need your feedback.


If you have less than three ribbons, the submission fields will not appear. Instead, you will receive a message that says "Sorry, you do not have enough ribbons to participate in this challenge" (I know, because I fall into that category).

That message was written at the time of the first (test) Masters' Challenge, which included the ribbon requirement in the challenge description. Admittedly, it needs to be rewritten, and I IM'ed Langdon late last night to do that. I imagine he'll be taking care of that this morning.

-Terry
11/01/2004 07:08:21 AM · #59
Originally posted by jmlelii:

suprise, suprise, MY BEST PHOTO FOR AN ENTIRE MONTH IS SCORING BELOW A 5. I'm sick of having photos win competitions outside DPC, not just online stuff, but real competitions of prints, and on here they score sub 5. Thats ridiculous. I am becoming fed up with this sub 5 crap. ESPECIALLY when its the best photo from an entire MONTH.


I do understand your frusteration. It's very challenging learning how to make images that appeal to a broad base of users. If it was easy, everyone would ribbon on a regular basis.

May I ask you what your DPC related goals are?

Clara
11/01/2004 07:12:33 AM · #60
With all due respect to ClubJuggle and the others who have said "nothing has been taken away from you", you are wrong. Something has been taken away from all members who haven't yet won 3 ribbons. What has been taken away is the chance to compete against those ribbon winners, and maybe, just maybe, get a helpful comment from someone who knows how to win here. And every Masters challenge uses up an additional challenge topic for which I may have had a winning idea for. The suggestions for challengs come from the whole dpc community, not from a pool of three time ribboners. It may not sound like much to those who argue in favor of this divisive concept but it is part of what I paid my $25 for.

So let's not have any more of those comments in this thread. If that is your only arguement in favor of Masters challenges you are debunked.
11/01/2004 07:19:33 AM · #61
Originally posted by redmoon:

From reading and interpreting the comments i've read above, i would imagine the major gripe is that the fact that another masters challenge (albeit, not an open one)follows so suddenly after the last. I think it might be nice for variations on the same theme to be considered. seperate bonus challenges for different levels of skill, such as:
the single ribbon winners (as mentioned before in another thread),
the zero ribbon winners,
the finished in the top ten but never got a ribbon people
just the blue (or red, or yellow, or "green") ribbon winners,
new people to the site (entered in the last 2 months, or only entered no more than 10 challenges),
non dSLR pictures (it'll be fun having a compact only challenge),
the 500+ commenting peoples
and countless other things.

take any statistic you like from the site, and give them a challenge! possibilities are nearly infinite!!


Now that's an interesting suggestion.
11/01/2004 07:22:28 AM · #62
Originally posted by coolhar:

What has been taken away is the chance to compete against those ribbon winners, and maybe, just maybe, get a helpful comment from someone who knows how to win here.

You've lost me there. Do ribbon winners not compete in the other challenges?

Originally posted by coolhar:

And every Masters challenge uses up an additional challenge topic for which I may have had a winning idea for.

Yeah, like 'Free Study' :P

If you don't like it, ignore it. Simple. Your membership will then give you exactly the same as it would if you were successful in stopping these extra challenges, and the huge number of voters and commenters from the last one could get on with enjoying the extra photos.
11/01/2004 07:29:18 AM · #63
Originally posted by coolhar:

With all due respect to ClubJuggle and the others who have said "nothing has been taken away from you", you are wrong. Something has been taken away from all members who haven't yet won 3 ribbons. What has been taken away is the chance to compete against those ribbon winners, and maybe, just maybe, get a helpful comment from someone who knows how to win here. And every Masters challenge uses up an additional challenge topic for which I may have had a winning idea for. The suggestions for challengs come from the whole dpc community, not from a pool of three time ribboners. It may not sound like much to those who argue in favor of this divisive concept but it is part of what I paid my $25 for.

So let's not have any more of those comments in this thread. If that is your only arguement in favor of Masters challenges you are debunked.


LOL, I'm sorry but you can't win a debate by declaring "I've won!"

It doesn't matter how you look at it, nothing has been taken away from you. Period.

Here's a great example. Take the olympics. In the competitions you have heats. If you don't win your heat, you don't compete in the finals. Plain and simple. You can't demand that you "didn't have a chance to compete with the masters", because you were given exactly that. You have absolutely no recourse to say you should be allowed to compete in the finals, since you paid your entrance fee. You either make the cut, or come back next year.
11/01/2004 07:37:02 AM · #64
Originally posted by Britannica:

I can't see how they expected there to be anything but an uproar over another "Master's" challenge when absolutely none of the issues rased during the furst waste of time were ever addressed. There were simply brushed aside with 'wait and see what happens after' -- well we waited, but nothing was ever done to address the issues.


Says who? After the initial uproar when the challenge was announced, the response to the first Masters Challenge was overwhelmingly positive from both participants and voters. It's also not fair to say that none of the issues raised during the first one were addressed. To wit:

* Many members did not like the idea of the Masters Challenge being a Free Study. Accordingly they were changed to themed challenges.

* Some members felt that a month was too long for these challenges. We have varied the time length accordingly.

* Some members have asked for a "best of the rest" type challenge. A final decision has not been made, but this is being discussed (I'll discuss my personal opinions on the matter in a later post).

* Several members pointed out that there had not been many "extra" challenges in the months preceding the 1st Masters Challenge. The point was well-taken and in the last two months we have run a month-long Free Study and an extra week-long challenge. A speed challenge is also scheduled for the near future. Personally, my goal is to see, on average, at least one extra challenge per month, with the Masters Challenges not counting toward that goal.

As to the challenges being a waste of time, I have to disagree. I was in favor of these challenges because I beleived there is a trememdous amount to be learned from viewing, voting on, and critiquing the images in these challenges, and the overwhelming feedback from the members who voted (and, especially, commented) on the first Masters Challenge bore out that theory. Art students spend a tremendous amount of time viewing and seeking to understand the work of the highly skilled or talented artists in their respective fields. I am not for a moment suggesting that the photographers who have won at least 3 ribbons are the only highly talented photographers here, but I am suggesting that all of the photographers who have won three or more ribbons are highly talented. That said, if you believe the challenge is a waste of time, no one is forcing you to vote or comment on it.

-Terry
11/01/2004 08:00:07 AM · #65
I'm not complaining about missing anything, but I'm confused because I didn't think the Master's Challenge really produced more outstanding photos than any other challenge...

I really don't think we need to rehash the same old arguments, but after conducting the 'experiment' I'm very surprised that it was deemed worth repeating so soon afterwards.

Edit: I really hope that the 'best of the rest' option is voted on before you go ahead with it...I think it's an awful idea.

Message edited by author 2004-11-01 08:00:57.
11/01/2004 08:02:42 AM · #66
Not saying it will make a difference either way, but this challenge requires 3 ribbons not 2..
11/01/2004 08:36:11 AM · #67
Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Lets chase the 'little guys' away by only honoring the pros with special challenges.

This is just what I hate about the term 'Masters' and the perception of those who enter the 'elite' challenges against those who don't win many ribbons.

There are way too many great shooters who don't pander to the standard voter needs, yet produce creative shots that are neither safe stock photos, nor the more common 'can't-vote-it-low' landscape fayre. But now, some of these people are now perceived as the 'little guys'.

The new 'Master' challenges seem to be dividing the population of DPC quite effectively I think - and I agree that the latest challenge should have been targeted to generate some new ribboners and more interesting results.

By the way, I'm in someone who doesn't care too much about ribbons but more about those who view and comment on my shots. However, I'd love to see some unusual stuff at the top and enjoy the voting process a bit more. I appreciate that this is aimed at making things interesting and fun, but there were plenty of useful suggestions in those earlier threads.
11/01/2004 08:49:53 AM · #68
Originally posted by Imagineer:

Originally posted by hbunch7187:

Lets chase the 'little guys' away by only honoring the pros with special challenges.

This is just what I hate about the term 'Masters' and the perception of those who enter the 'elite' challenges against those who don't win many ribbons.

There are way too many great shooters who don't pander to the standard voter needs, yet produce creative shots that are neither safe stock photos, nor the more common 'can't-vote-it-low' landscape fayre. But now, some of these people are now perceived as the 'little guys'.

The new 'Master' challenges seem to be dividing the population of DPC quite effectively I think - and I agree that the latest challenge should have been targeted to generate some new ribboners and more interesting results.

By the way, I'm in someone who doesn't care too much about ribbons but more about those who view and comment on my shots. However, I'd love to see some unusual stuff at the top and enjoy the voting process a bit more. I appreciate that this is aimed at making things interesting and fun, but there were plenty of useful suggestions in those earlier threads.


To be honst with ya... I have never won a ribbon, nor do I care. I don't feel like I am not a "Master" or my photography lacks. People vote based on what they like.

Right now... I have a photo in the Free Study challenge that has a score so far of 4.6. However, the photo was used in 2 local newspapers and I scored $450 dollarsfor both of them.

I guess my point is, I have no problem with a MASTERS ONLY challenge, because they deserve it. They have proven that "on this site" they are masters. It should not make you feel less, or make photographers in general think their work is not up to par. Its all about taste.
11/01/2004 08:56:22 AM · #69
Statistics from Masters Challenge 1
69 People entered
Total Votes cast 27,683
If you are really against Masters Challenges then you can do something about it. ... Don't Vote.

11/01/2004 08:59:18 AM · #70
Originally posted by cris:

If you are really against Masters Challenges then you can do something about it. ... Don't Vote.


Haha, or vote angry. 1's 2's and 3's across the board. ;)
11/01/2004 09:21:20 AM · #71
Originally posted by ClubJuggle:

Originally posted by graphicfunk:

But wait: it does not have a qualifying clause. This may be open to all members? Site council: need your feedback.


If you have less than three ribbons, the submission fields will not appear. Instead, you will receive a message that says "Sorry, you do not have enough ribbons to participate in this challenge" (I know, because I fall into that category).

That message was written at the time of the first (test) Masters' Challenge, which included the ribbon requirement in the challenge description. Admittedly, it needs to be rewritten, and I IM'ed Langdon late last night to do that. I imagine he'll be taking care of that this morning.

-Terry


Terry,

It may have been mentioned somewhere else but I missed it. What is the reasoning for the increase from two to three ribbons? It is because of more ribbon winners in the meantime? Two would seem to be a better bet on this shortened and more narrow themed challenge. No complaints as I think that the Masters Challenge is a WONDERFUL addition to the site, I just wondered about the reasoning.
11/01/2004 09:22:04 AM · #72
I like the ideas that redmoon had. It allows those who have earned some distinction on the site to be able to compete in a different arena without alienating those who haven't by attaching the dreaded Masters title.

I, personally, do not care if you have a Masters challenge every week, or even every day.

I am not here to let my feelings get hurt because I can, or can not, do something that someone else can. I'm here to learn and grow as a photographer. I could honestly care less if I get the brown ribbon in every single challenge (and darn if I don't come close many times - LOL!) I enter so long as I learn something new with each entry. I am happy to say that I can look at each of my entries and name at least one thing that I've learned with each.

I will say, however, that I think the Masters challenges are harmful to the morale of the site and to those who are working hard to try to be the best they can be, but that's just my opinion. Everyone's got one of those.
11/01/2004 09:34:44 AM · #73
Originally posted by coolhar:

With all due respect to ClubJuggle and the others who have said "nothing has been taken away from you", you are wrong. Something has been taken away from all members who haven't yet won 3 ribbons. What has been taken away is the chance to compete against those ribbon winners, and maybe, just maybe, get a helpful comment from someone who knows how to win here. And every Masters challenge uses up an additional challenge topic for which I may have had a winning idea for. The suggestions for challengs come from the whole dpc community, not from a pool of three time ribboners. It may not sound like much to those who argue in favor of this divisive concept but it is part of what I paid my $25 for.

So let's not have any more of those comments in this thread. If that is your only arguement in favor of Masters challenges you are debunked.


I don't think that you can win this debate just by saying that you win.

You get 2 chances EVERY week to compete against the ribbon winners. Do you enter every challenge?

This argument is like the little kid who sucks at football being mad because the coach doesn't want to give him a starting position. I guess you can keep playing as much as you can and work at getting better or you can take your ball, go home and pout. BOO FRICKIN' HOO
11/01/2004 09:41:59 AM · #74
Has anyone here ever played a Playstation game? In most of them, you have to unlock certain features by practicing until you are good enough at a certain task. If you can not unlock those features, do you complain to the manufacturer of the game that there should be more features for people who don't play the game good enough to unlock them? (New PS games cost between 50 and 60 US dollars)

Has anyone here ever seen a track meet, Nascar race or the Olympic games? In these events there are certain qualifying events that take place. If you do not do good enough in qualifying, you don't get to play in the big game. Do athletes that underpreform complain to Nascar or the Olympics that there should be more events for them? (An athlete invests an entire lifetime for the chance to compete in these events)

Has anyone here ever had a job? In most jobs if you preform better than your co-workers, you get perks. A promotion, a special title (like Manager, Supervisor, Vice-president), a special parking place, more vacation, better pay, a key to the VIP bathroom. If you don't preform well enough to get a key to the bathroom, do you complain to the company that there should be more locked bathrooms for those that don't perform as well? (Don't perform at work, you lose the opportunity to improve your standard of living and don't make nearly as much money as those that do)

I don't understand why some people here feel entitled to something they didn't earn just because some people worked hard and earned it. Please explain this to me... (A yearly membership here only costs 25 dollars a year... Pretty small in the grand theme of things...)


11/01/2004 09:46:00 AM · #75
Originally posted by Imagineer:

But now, some of these people are now perceived as the 'little guys'.


Why? By whom? Themselves?
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