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11/05/2004 08:55:45 AM · #152

Originally posted by vtruan:

wasn't satan a woman in that movie?

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11/05/2004 09:02:22 AM · #153

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Originally posted by vtruan:
How many of you folks saw the "Passion of the Christ"? Remember the crowds and the great looking satin walking among them. He was perfectly portrayed. He is still lurking for folks, especially the Christian believers. He wants Christians to fail. He already owns non-believers, so he doesn't care about them. Just my thoughts.

wasn't satan a woman in that movie?

A creepy woman at that! With a baby...

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11/05/2004 10:43:39 AM · #154

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Originally posted by vtruan:
How many of you folks saw the "Passion of the Christ"? Remember the crowds and the great looking satin walking among them. He was perfectly portrayed. He is still lurking for folks, especially the Christian believers. He wants Christians to fail. He already owns non-believers, so he doesn't care about them. Just my thoughts.

wasn't satan a woman in that movie?

A creepy woman at that! With a baby...

But I don't think Satan was meant to be seen as woman by the audience...it just happened to be a woman in the role that looked androgynous.

11/05/2004 10:50:35 AM · #155

Originally posted by dahved:

But I don't think Satan was meant to be seen as woman by the audience...it just happened to be a woman in the role that looked androgynous.

I think you're right...I thought it was a great role and portrayed really well...

11/05/2004 11:04:30 AM · #156

yup, He/She was meant to be non-gender. Brilliant movie. The uproar surrounding the film, for me, is reason enough to believe in Satan. Why else would action and horror movies be soooooo popular (the more blood the better) but 'the Passion of the Christ' be the proverbial crossing-of-the-line?

"The greatest lie the Devil ever told was convincing the world he doesn't exist"

Imagine if you were all of a sudden awoken to the extreme and shocking awareness that someone's mission in life was to taunt you and to make you fail? As a Christian, you realize that's the role Satan plays. And oh how he loves it!

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11/05/2004 01:50:11 PM · #157

Originally posted by ChrisW123:

... In history religon is what held groups of people (factions) together as a unit to fight against other factions and protect themselves. It was meant to be a binding force to the group to keep them together. ...

In history religion is what was used to control people - by telling them that some unseeable force was (1) responsible for everything that they couldn't understand, and (2) that force was better than the unseeable force that their neighbors were being told about.

By defeating the neighbors, thus proving the superiority of the "force" that guided them, they came to believe it was true. The neighbors were converted because their "force" was inferior.

Those that purported to speak with the force were afforded societal powers to ensure that the force was appeased - those that voiced views to the contrary of the powers were usually put to death.

11/05/2004 02:16:03 PM · #158

Originally posted by spiderman:

Hmmm...I totally agree with you there, provided you're talking about a specific time period...

As values shifted from seeking national salvation to seeking personal freedom, you can see how religions adjusted accordingly through history.

Nowadays, spiritual thought mostly consists of an individualistic freedom or victory...yes, that goes for much popular 'christian' thought as well...

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11/05/2004 02:26:00 PM · #159

Satan was pretty obviously a woman to me. Not just the actor, but the character.

11/05/2004 06:10:51 PM · #160

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Satan was pretty obviously a woman to me. Not just the actor, but the character.

Satan is the fallen Arch Angle Michael, not a woman. If we're talking Biblically that is. The movie character looked androgenous, not sure why, I'm sure there's a big point that I'm missing.

Message edited by author 2004-11-05 18:11:54.

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11/05/2004 06:15:39 PM · #161

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
Satan was pretty obviously a woman to me. Not just the actor, but the character.

Satan is the fallen Arch Angle Michael, not a woman. If we're talking Biblically that is. The movie character looked androgenous, not sure why, I'm sure there's a big point that I'm missing.

Maybe it was a typo ... Michelle probably looks much the same in Aramaic.

I suspect "the point" is that white men (like those who make most movies) have traditionally blamed women for the world's woes rather than celebrated them as the source of all life. It's one of those Freudian things I suspect ...

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11/05/2004 06:21:58 PM · #162

Well, I agree that women are responsible for bringing sin to the world. As we are. Again, this is Biblically (I have to keep saying that for arguments sake). Given more time, man may have sinned on his own, that's not the point. We gals did first..and then lied to the man to get him to sin, too. God Himself said women will be forever punished..one of those punishments is to suffer through child birth. EX menstruation, 9 months of sick prego, and a horror-movie-esque labor.

Just some Christianity 'facts' about origin of sin (I put quotes on facts since if you don't believe in what scripture says than you won't consider it factual).

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11/05/2004 06:24:49 PM · #163

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

God Himself said women will be forever punished..one of those punishments is to suffer through child birth. EX menstruation, 9 months of sick prego, and a horror-movie-esque labor.

It takes a truly pessimistic outlook to equate the miracle of childbirth with eternal punishment, in my opinion.

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11/05/2004 06:25:08 PM · #164

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Am I going to be punished for you wanting to make out with that guy, too?

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11/05/2004 06:29:21 PM · #165

I think that's all mythology created for the express purpose of supressing the outrage at the monumentally biological unfairness.

Without such mythology and victim-blaming, women would soon realize that they, like the females of so many other species, need no more than one sperm source per twenty or thirty women, and that the world would be so much more pleasant if 95% of the surplus males could be done away with or consigned to only the hard dangerous labor, far out of sight of polite society.

I'm not sure -- I think it was Sojourner Truth -- who said:

I've had it with women's work. All those pots and pans and liftin' and scrubbin' ... give me some men's work, like sittin' around takin' care of money and tellin' people what to do.

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11/05/2004 06:31:33 PM · #166

And why were female dogs consigned to such eternal torture? What was their sin?

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11/05/2004 06:34:00 PM · #167

LOL

I think you mean that it doesn't make sense (and therefore what I posted wasn't anywhere near being right) that you or I would be punished for each other's sins let alone what a woman did of her own free will thousands of years ago.

Again, I won't talk about scripture, or quote the Bible anymore if people insist on arguing what they obviously don't know anything about.
God spoke extensively on this very subject discussed above.

MadMordegon

11/05/2004 06:46:33 PM · #168

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by MadMordegon:
"There is not sufficient love and goodness in the world to permit us to give some of it away to imaginary beings." -Nietzsche

If for no other reason; Christians want to show love and mercy? There are millions of humans who could use it a lot more.

It's a good thing that love isn't exclusive and that it doesn't "run out" simply because I love what Nietzsche so fondly referred to as an imaginary being. In fact, it helps me love my neighbour all the more...

For example, will having a child whom I love cause me to love my wife less? No...in fact my love for her will likely increase.

I'm not sure why Nietzsche thought that love was a resource which had to be properly rationed.

I think what Nietzsche means is, considering the suffering and separation in the world; you and I sitting here in an atmosphere controlled environment with a cold drink and a full belly; we aught to send the love and carring we choose to give out to people who need it, not imaginary beings.

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11/05/2004 07:20:10 PM · #169

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Ack!!! Chapter and Verse please? I've read that Satan is the fallen Angel that was tossed out of heaven by the Arch Angel Michael.

joshua

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11/05/2004 07:20:43 PM · #170

Originally posted by GeneralE:

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
Satan was pretty obviously a woman to me. Not just the actor, but the character.

Satan is the fallen Arch Angle Michael, not a woman. If we're talking Biblically that is. The movie character looked androgenous, not sure why, I'm sure there's a big point that I'm missing.

Maybe it was a typo ... Michelle probably looks much the same in Aramaic.

I suspect "the point" is that white men (like those who make most movies) have traditionally blamed women for the world's woes rather than celebrated them as the source of all life. It's one of those Freudian things I suspect ...

to me the point of the androgenous satan was to point out how he is always lurking...is neither male nor female and that everyone must recognise that he comes in many forms

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11/05/2004 07:55:07 PM · #171

Originally posted by myqyl:

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
Satan was pretty obviously a woman to me. Not just the actor, but the character.

Satan is the fallen Arch Angle Michael, not a woman. If we're talking Biblically that is. The movie character looked androgenous, not sure why, I'm sure there's a big point that I'm missing.

Ack!!! Chapter and Verse please? I've read that Satan is the fallen Angel that was tossed out of heaven by the Arch Angel Michael.

Correct in that Satan is not Michael. Michael is hebrew for "who is like God", archangel is "chief messenger". Michael is portrayed as fighting against Satan. Many equate the chief angel/messenger with the "malach yhwh" (angel of the LORD) and the pre-incarnate Son/Word of God.

The Bible uses masculine words for Satan, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily male. Hebrew doesn't have a word for "it". Everything is either "he" or "she", including inanimate objects. So it's quite possible, if not very likely, that Satan is neither male nor female.

MadMordegon

11/05/2004 09:37:24 PM · #172

Originally posted by GeneralE:

This is so true. And I really donâ��t think the men would complain that much ;)

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11/05/2004 10:05:50 PM · #173

I used the term sperm source and not "lover" for a advisedly ... I don't think the "stud" would find it so pleasurable as I envision the scenario ...

Message edited by author 2004-11-05 22:08:56.

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11/05/2004 10:08:39 PM · #174

Originally posted by GoldBerry:

Again, I won't talk about scripture, or quote the Bible anymore if people insist on arguing what they obviously don't know anything about.
God spoke extensively on this very subject discussed above.

You believe it to be the Word of God; all we know is that some guys wrote this stuff down, and I suspect them (like all men) of embroidering the truth just a wee bit out of obvious self-interest.