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10/29/2004 12:26:03 AM · #26 |
| You know what, Kylie, I changed my mind. If you're not going to give me all 10s and glowing, accoladical (is that a word?) 3 paragraph reviews, then just forget it, and don't post comments. :) |
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10/29/2004 12:30:13 AM · #27 |
I've gotten those comments to my attempts at helpful criticisms too. I feel like I have to justify my opinion to them (and most often, I do). When I get the aggressively defensive ones, it also makes me question why I bother. But then I get the good comments, both critical and supportive, and it reinforces to me the reason for leaving comments.
You left a message on my poverty photo that was for me, very positive. It said to me, although my photo is in the mid-fives, that someone really got the message I was trying to convey through my photo. That means a lot to me because I spent some time thinking about what the idea of this challenge was.
Don't stop commenting.
Message edited by author 2004-10-29 00:31:53. |
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10/29/2004 01:36:12 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
again, and won't be doing any more comments like that unfortunately. As much as many of us really do want helpful comments to learn from, it just isn't worth the argumentative PM's you receive. I am so sorry if I offended anyone else today in my comments; I thought they were fiar and helpful and non-offensive. I am very disappointed. |
First I would like to say I appreciate the comments I receive -- even yours. ;)
Although I know you have reconsidered later in the thread (after much encouragement to do so), I can't help but think you might be in need of the same thickening of the skin concerning your comments as the photographers in question are needing concerning their photos.
No disrespect indended, but when you put yourself on display like that you are going to find a few that strongly disagree with you. Firing off a nasty email back to them or not commenting anymore is not going to be any more effective than them sending a nasty email to you or deciding to not submit photos anymore.
So keep the comments coming, even if they are completely off-base and reprehensible. :p <== that's a joke, in case you missed the raspberry.
:D
David
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10/29/2004 01:56:34 AM · #29 |
Kylie and everyone else who takes the time to comment......please don't stop commenting!! It's the comments that help us to grow, to see our work through others eyes. Often we get caught up in what we wanted to achieve, the vision in our mind rather than the reality of what we've created.
I've only been a member for a few months but can already see a difference in the work I'm doing, still a long way to go, but actually like some of the stuff I'm doing. Though the update button is fun/frustrating/addictive/addictive/addictive/add....... but it's the generosity of the peops who took the time to comment on the image that have helped to make that difference.
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10/29/2004 03:01:31 AM · #30 |
I didn't take the time to read all the comments in this thread and for that I appologize! I worked 11 hours tonite and came home to relax and check out the forums and some photos... However, I gotta jump in here and interject my two cents worth. Kylie, what did the PM that you got from the mad photographer do to you? Did it make you lose your job? Did it get you evicted from your home? Did it make you take bad photos for the rest of your life? I don't think so... What did it do? It made the photographer, who obviously thinks his work is god's gift to the art world, feel better... I guess what I'm saying is... Don't worry about it! Some people don't take criticism, constructive or otherwise, well. Does that demean you personally? Only in the eyes of the mad photographer. Who has the problem? You, who are only trying to help? Or, more likely, the photographer who thinks his work is god's gift to art... If you quit giving good constructive criticism because of this one (OK there are many small minded individuals in the world) small minded individual, how can you possibly help those that are open to that kind of criticism? I refuse to give in, I hope you see the light and refuse to give in also! Just grow another layer of skin for each a$$ho1e that sends you a negative PM and pretty soon, it won't matter anymore!
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10/29/2004 03:10:32 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
WOW - I have to say I am honestly overwhelmed by the response to this thread. WOW. On that note - I will certainly keep trying to help more and not just give my "I love it" comments (which, again, I only say if I mean it!). Thank you all from the bottom of my heart. THIS is what DPC is all about! |
That's great news! There are so few comments that are recieved that actually tell you something. I love everyone of them weather I have a technical fault or otherwise, I'm not lucky enough to have someone here that I can learn off so these comments are one of the ways I learn!
Now if I could just try and meet the challenge I might go Ok... lol
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10/29/2004 05:56:58 AM · #32 |
Don't worry about it Kylie. People are as sensitive as three-day old chicks and can't deal with critique. It's all part of the creative process. The way some people react to comments you'd think that you told Picasso that his life's work was insignificant.
People have to cut themselves a slice of humble pie, remove their rose-coloured glasses, come back down to earth from their self-created lofty artistic perches and accept criticism for what it is. Critique is a hard pill to swallow sometimes, but in the end it makes us all better photographers.
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10/29/2004 06:09:19 AM · #33 |
God bless people who take the time to offer constructive critisism and not just leave a nasty little dig on a picture.
Kylie - I understand the dissapointment trust me (been there) but you offer great critisism and as you can see the majority appreciate your efforts.. keep on helping people out after all, we are all here to learn even those who PM you with defensive slander will learn one day. |
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10/29/2004 06:40:42 AM · #34 |
Kylie, you do so many good things for this place, don't let a few defensive people get you down. Glad to hear you are leaving more detailed comments.
It's just a matter of time before you get some ribbons, so don't say anything about not being "as good" as others. |
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10/29/2004 12:03:21 PM · #35 |
| Maybe it's time to think seriously about going back to the old way of commenters being anonymous until after voting is finished. I really don't see the need to know who made a comment immediately, and if the cost is to discourage people from commenting, or continuing to comment, let's get rid of the commenter's ID until we're done voting. |
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10/29/2004 01:25:05 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by coolhar:
Maybe it's time to think seriously about going back to the old way of commenters being anonymous until after voting is finished. I really don't see the need to know who made a comment immediately, and if the cost is to discourage people from commenting, or continuing to comment, let's get rid of the commenter's ID until we're done voting. |
This is not a bad idea, I like the idea that you culd comment and then only see the ID of the person after the challenge. I think that could be a possitive thing.
On the other hand, some people are just a bit cranky and are not looking for honest criticism, only affirmation. I always take the comments with a grain of salt and also try to acknowledge that all comments (almost) are beneficial in some way.
Kylie, thanks for your thoughtful comment in the Poverty challenge on my image. |
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10/29/2004 01:37:10 PM · #37 |
On my way out of town for the weekend - but just wanted to say thank you to all of you who took the time to set me straight once again! And for not calling me a wimpy idiot!! I have very thick skin when it comes to receiving criticism, but I guess thin when it comes to giving it. I will be commenting even more in the future, and all my thanks to you guys. You rock!
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10/29/2004 01:40:58 PM · #38 |
Originally posted by Kylie:
again, and won't be doing any more comments like that unfortunately. As much as many of us really do want helpful comments to learn from, it just isn't worth the argumentative PM's you receive. I am so sorry if I offended anyone else today in my comments; I thought they were fiar and helpful and non-offensive. I am very disappointed. |
Don't give up! I think people have to realise that tone is so very very hard to tell in written words. We get 80+ percent of our information when talking to someone in tone, and body language. Little :-) don't really make up for the amount of information we naturally get when talking to someone. |
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10/29/2004 02:24:02 PM · #39 |
I just laugh at the PMs that get mad at my comments. They are often quite entertaining.
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