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10/21/2004 09:45:42 AM · #26 |
| So it could be that someone voted a 3, and two people bumped their votes lower by one. |
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10/21/2004 09:49:04 AM · #27 |
Wouldn't it be nice if 1 and 2-votes had to be accompanied with a comment?
Like a nice popup saying "You're about to jump on someones day - at least have the decency to explain why"..
Actually - come think of it a bit more - it's a really good idea. |
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10/21/2004 09:57:12 AM · #28 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
What algebraic equation are you using to calculate how people voted? |
X = total votes
Y = average score
At time t1 you have total votes of X1 and averge score of Y1
At time t2 you have total votes of X2 and averge score of Y2
Average scoring of voters voting between t1 and t2 = Z
Then: Z = (X2*Y2-X1*Y1)/(X2-X1)
If X2-X1=1 , that is if there is only one vote between t1 and t2 you can get the exacte scoring of this single voter.
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10/21/2004 09:57:13 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by cloudsme:
So it could be that someone voted a 3, and two people bumped their votes lower by one. |
No. Because that way the score average would have decreased.
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10/21/2004 09:59:22 AM · #30 |
Originally posted by garlic:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
What algebraic equation are you using to calculate how people voted? |
X = total votes
Y = average score
At time t1 you have total votes of X1 and averge score of Y1
At time t2 you have total votes of X2 and averge score of Y2
Average scoring of voters voting between t1 and t2 = Z
Then: Z = (X2*Y2-X1*Y1)/(X2-X1)
If X2-X1=1 , that is if there is only one vote between t1 and t2 you can get the exacte scoring of this single voter. |
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10/21/2004 10:02:32 AM · #31 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by garlic:
Originally posted by cloudsme:
What algebraic equation are you using to calculate how people voted? |
X = total votes
Y = average score
At time t1 you have total votes of X1 and averge score of Y1
At time t2 you have total votes of X2 and averge score of Y2
Average scoring of voters voting between t1 and t2 = Z
Then: Z = (X2*Y2-X1*Y1)/(X2-X1)
If X2-X1=1 , that is if there is only one vote between t1 and t2 you can get the exacte scoring of this single voter. |
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Glad I can't hear you ;-)
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10/21/2004 10:05:53 AM · #32 |
Maybe it was one of those french judges.....
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10/21/2004 10:07:09 AM · #33 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
I think one of the most beneficial things a photographer can learn is to accept critique and accpet not everyone in the whole will like your photograph.
Although I didn't vote, I am one of those people who use the whole voting scale so I am also one of those [i]"Darned non-objective hoodlums"[i] |
Thank you!
I was getting bored with all the kiss a** comments. LOL |
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10/21/2004 10:10:32 AM · #34 |
I am still voting, and no 1s from me.
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10/21/2004 10:11:22 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by lelani:
Originally posted by jonpink:
I think one of the most beneficial things a photographer can learn is to accept critique and accpet not everyone in the whole will like your photograph.
Although I didn't vote, I am one of those people who use the whole voting scale so I am also one of those [i]"Darned non-objective hoodlums"[i] |
Thank you!
I was getting bored with all the kiss a** comments. LOL |
I totally agree with this.. I came over here at the urging of Dr.Jones who suggested I could really learn about "mass apeal" in a forum such as this one...and I'm lerning allright! many people claim to do photography for themselves...but get angry if their offerings do not meet with universal praise. in my last challenge (communications) I almost had the same amount of 1's and 10's !! go figure....
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10/21/2004 10:12:16 AM · #36 |
Originally posted by deapee:
I was just wondering the same thing -- I didn't see anywhere that I could see what people have given me thus far.
Maybe someone left a comment and said "1" or something? |
You have to be a member to get the button on your screen to check your voting results, otherwise it is updated at the top of every hour |
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10/21/2004 10:15:08 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by Jason:
Seriously, the way I see it... the only people that deserve a 1 are images that combine ALL the following:
a) does not meet the challenge
b) less than 200 pixels on the longest edge
c) seriously out of focus with an unrecognizable subject
if the image does not meet all three of the above, at least give a 2. |
If a photo had all three I would vote a 1. However, I would vote 1 if it were A and B or even just A. If just B was the case I would consider skipping it instead, certainly not a 1 just for that reason. |
That is a bit harsh. If you vote 3 or under, please leave a comment (see rules...). I vote lower on small pics (harder to see what the photog intended) and lower on those I think don't meet the challenge, but i'd never give a 1 for that alone as my interpretation can be way off. I figure an average pic gets a 5, below average a 4, above a 6. Bad or good get more or less depending upon how much above or below average they are. |
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10/21/2004 10:40:10 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
My photo is NOT a 1.. it's nowhere *near* a 1.. |
Ya want some cheese with that?
Originally posted by Donatiem:
Wouldn't it be nice if 1 and 2-votes had to be accompanied with a comment?
Like a nice popup saying "You're about to jump on someones day - at least have the decency to explain why"..
Actually - come think of it a bit more - it's a really good idea. |
Nope, not a good idea. A very bad idea. You would have half the people leaving comments like "stinks"; and the other half just dropping the botom 20% of the voting scale.
Trying to calculate what vote someone (the last voter) gave you is futile. Even if you you do happen to coincidencially guess right there is no way to know if that voter will come back to your shot later and change their vote.
The voting scale is 1 thru 10 and every entry is eligible to be seen as any vote by any voter. It does not give you the right to call them names or disparage their honesty. Grow up and get used to it. If you can't take it, go to one of the sites that does not have anonymous voting. |
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10/21/2004 10:53:26 AM · #39 |
I don't know if anyone wants this or not, but here is what I use to keep track of my scores/votes. I use a simple Excel spreadsheet. You can look at a couple of my past entries to see how it works. All you do is enter your votes and the current score. It automatically calculates the other things.
Recent Votes is the average of the votes since the last entry, New Votes is the number of votes from the last time you put in the numbers. This means that if you had more than one vote, you will have to guess what the votes were. I use the simplest combination of scores there, so if it says 5.5 and 2 votes, I'm guessing it is a 5 and a 6 rather than a 4 and a 7.
Then in the column 'Votes Approx' I enter the 5 and the 6. It adds up automatically the number of each kind of vote in the chart. You can also double check to see if the scores add up the same as what you have. If anyone is a Excel wizard and can figure out how to do this automatically, would be nice.
I've probably confused everyone, but if you want the file it is available here:
//www.lutes.org/images/dpcchart.xls
Just download it and try it. If you don't like it, don't complain to me.
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10/21/2004 11:25:29 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by deapee:
I was just wondering the same thing -- I didn't see anywhere that I could see what people have given me thus far.
Maybe someone left a comment and said "1" or something? |
He can find out by doing simple math in most cases
Say he has:
Votes:150
View: 160
Avg. Vote: 4.5000
Comments: 0
The he refreshes and it said:
Votes:151
View:161
Avg. Vote: 4.4768
Comments: 0
Math: [150V * 4.5000 = Total Votes]
[TV + 1 / 151 = Updated Avg. Vote]
Now he knows that vote was a one.
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10/21/2004 11:57:08 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by aguapreta:
You know, I take all comments with a grain of salt. I always check the profile of the person commenting to see what kind of photos they are taking. I am surprised how many commenters have never even entered a photo.
I also have recieved the exact opposite comments on the same photo. Or one who told me to use fill flash when I did use fill flash. SO, just take it all with a grain of salt. |
I commented about the fill flash:
A little more fill flash to brighten the faces a little more would have done wonders to elevate this picture from good to very good.
Firstly, I said a little MORE fill flash. Secondly, I thought it was a valid constructive criticism. I could have very easily not commented at all, but I try to do so on a percentage of the "middle of the road" photographs. Then I come here and read this? Don't complain of not getting comments and then bash the comments you get. Now I wish I hadn't attempted to help you.
Oh, and for the record, I gave your photograph a 6... higher than your average.
Message edited by author 2004-10-21 12:06:03. |
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10/21/2004 11:59:02 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Artyste:
Originally posted by gaurawa:
was there an accompanying comment? |
What do you think? Of course not.
I've never had a comment from someone admitting to giving me a 1. |
Hmmmm okay
I give you a .....*drum roll* big fat 0 (that's right, ZERO).
Since we're spicing-up the forums. |
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10/21/2004 12:01:51 PM · #43 |
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10/21/2004 12:02:20 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by kiwinick:
Hey your lucky, I'm sitting on 3.9 and the last commentsays he doesnt understand my image, now I know us kiwis have a weird sense of humour but i thought it was universal understood. I[quote=Artyste] I was told to spice up the forums tonight, so here we go.
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I have said that to 2 or 3 photos in this challenge. Does that mean they got a 1? no. It means that to me, I don't get the connection. Either I am dense (possible) or the connection to the challenge isn't very evident. I would certainly go back and revisit the score if I was pm'd and I got it. It would have been much easier to just give it a score, not asked the question, and moved on. Perhaps that is what I will do in the future.
For the record, I have given no 1's in this challenge. |
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10/21/2004 12:08:19 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by bestagents:
Originally posted by TechnoShroom:
Originally posted by Jason:
Seriously, the way I see it... the only people that deserve a 1 are images that combine ALL the following:
a) does not meet the challenge
b) less than 200 pixels on the longest edge
c) seriously out of focus with an unrecognizable subject
if the image does not meet all three of the above, at least give a 2. |
If a photo had all three I would vote a 1. However, I would vote 1 if it were A and B or even just A. If just B was the case I would consider skipping it instead, certainly not a 1 just for that reason. |
That is a bit harsh. If you vote 3 or under, please leave a comment (see rules...). I vote lower on small pics (harder to see what the photog intended) and lower on those I think don't meet the challenge, but i'd never give a 1 for that alone as my interpretation can be way off. I figure an average pic gets a 5, below average a 4, above a 6. Bad or good get more or less depending upon how much above or below average they are. |
Actually, that should have read A and C but at any rate, I don't see it as harsh in the least. If there were an option for zero, I would vote photos I don't think meet the challenge a zero. Voting anything higher than the lowest possible score just boggles the mind. |
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10/21/2004 12:09:42 PM · #46 |
Now I understand!
You're all friggin' meth addicts and everytime you get a 1, your pimp doesn't let you have your fix. When you get a good score, you get a little extra neuron candy...
That explains calculating every score you get and obsessing over every comment (or lack thereof)... |
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10/21/2004 12:14:43 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
He can find out by doing simple math in most cases
Say he has:
Votes:150
View: 160
Avg. Vote: 4.5000
Comments: 0
The he refreshes and it said:
Votes:151
View:161
Avg. Vote: 4.4768
Comments: 0
Math: [150V * 4.5000 = Total Votes]
[TV + 1 / 151 = Updated Avg. Vote]
Now he knows that vote was a one. |
This can be right, but isn't always the fact. I have noticed a change of 11 total voting points between votings, that could mean that last voter voted with 10 and someone else have bumped up their voting by one, or that somone voted 2 and someone else changed their previous vote from 1 to 10.
And in this example that you mentioned, someone could have voted 6 and someone else lowered a previous voting from maybe 8 to 3, anything is possible but this doesn't happen often...
So it isn't a sure fact that someone voted with 1!
Just trying to mix things up here, you can never know for sure... hehe... ;-D |
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10/21/2004 12:25:16 PM · #48 |
I know I'm new, but I'm not stupid. However I have searched and searched and can't find any way to check my score let alone calulate the last score given. Any help will be great.
Steven |
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10/21/2004 12:28:35 PM · #49 |
Originally posted by hyperfocal:
I know I'm new, but I'm not stupid. However I have searched and searched and can't find any way to check my score let alone calulate the last score given. Any help will be great.
Steven |
Under My Home > My Preferences, on the right hand side, there is a checkbox that you can mark so that your score will show up on the front page. |
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10/21/2004 01:42:32 PM · #50 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Now I understand!
You're all friggin' meth addicts and everytime you get a 1, your pimp doesn't let you have your fix. When you get a good score, you get a little extra neuron candy...
That explains calculating every score you get and obsessing over every comment (or lack thereof)... |
Hehehehe.. that's probably as accurate a statement as I've ever seen ;)
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