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07/31/2002 12:47:10 PM · #1 |
I have mentioned the basic concept in one or two other places, however now I am making this a thread of its own... mostly because I am persistant.
Given the constant growing nature of the website, and the seemingly growing needs of a larger and more diverse user base I think it would be useful to (in addition to the Main Awards) have more specific Committee run awards. These awards could have white ribbons marked with a corrisponding letter.
These awards could cover a number of subjects people have mentioned as being underscored as well as just some more specific awards that might be useful for people such:
Underated Award (U) [Given after the voting results are posted]
Technical Award (T)
Originality Award (O)
B&W Award (B) [Likely not given each week]
Color Award (C)
....Well, I am sure there are more, likely ones that would work better, but I will just list those as possible examples.
With the number of people we have on the site a small committee, perhaps a rotating one, of people with experience in certain areas should not be that hard to put together. An outside judge or 'Pro' might even be found if we really looked hard enough... but I think having people on the site would do the job well enough.
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07/31/2002 01:19:26 PM · #2 |
This idea has been ''kicked'' around (pun intended) before and I think it is a good one. I have even made some suggestions myself.
Perhaps breaking the awards into photographic categories like.
Best Black and White
Best Landscape
Best Portrait
Best Color
Best Digital ''Art'' or abstract but staying within Challenge rules
Best Macro
Best Still Life
So that in future challenges we won''t resort to ''Generic Challenges" and keep the challenge more topic oriented and then let the photogrphers resort to their ''Technique" they prefer the best to meet the challenge.
BTW, a photo can only receive one of the category awards..No multiple category winners :-P
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/31/2002 1:21:52 PM. |
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07/31/2002 01:21:06 PM · #3 |
| I think this is a wonderful idea. |
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07/31/2002 01:50:05 PM · #4 |
Good idea...and persistence. I think it would do a lot of good for those photos that always seem to fall in the 'underappreciated' category.
How's the committee selected...moderators? Or am I misunderstanding the 'committee' part of this?
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07/31/2002 01:50:21 PM · #5 |
Ag -
See this thread, starting about 1/3 of the way down, I made a suggestion like this. It would probably work in that you could nominate a pic you thought deserving of a special category award from a drop down pick-list. That way, those pics would also be decided by voters.
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.asp?action=read&FORUM_POST_ID=8501
Something like this is in the works :). Anything to add? Suggestions as to the categories, etc...
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/31/2002 1:52:16 PM. |
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07/31/2002 02:16:38 PM · #6 |
I like this idea.
Message edited by author 2004-07-26 20:36:45. |
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07/31/2002 02:58:55 PM · #7 |
Anything to add? Suggestions as to the categories, etc...
I would only that that I would strongly suggest that the drop down menu be ONLY TO NOMINATE photographs for the awards. I know you used that word, just making sure it is seen an extra time.
I think it is important that judges are picked (Likely by Moderators) who have experience in certain areas. I also think it would be good to just have four or five categories cause we do not want to make them seem cheap by having 40 awards....the whole everyone gets an award thing is highly overated.
If I was going to pick just a five I would say these are the most important/best:
Technical Award (T)
Artistic Award (A)
Originality Award (O)
Best Color (C)
"Tells a Story" Story Award (S)
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07/31/2002 03:02:36 PM · #8 |
I think all of these are good ideas...
My thoughts on it would be to execute it in a similar way that the current site favorites are done. Let the users vote on their favorites in a category the same way they select site favorites now... :)
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07/31/2002 03:08:05 PM · #9 |
i disagree that there is such a thing as 'too many' awards.
I dont think we should go overboard but on the other hand it's a good idea to recognize as many different qualities as are potentially worth recognizing.
This let's people who go for their unique angle get some recognition and makes it less about the top 3 only.
Finally, I don't see any reason for it to not be voter selected. Can you maybe elaborate why you would rather the choices were picked by a committee? |
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07/31/2002 03:35:56 PM · #10 |
| A committee of proven talent would add creditability to the catagory award. An open vote from amatures would not be fruitful. |
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07/31/2002 03:37:11 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by Mieka:
A committee of proven talent would add creditability to the catagory award. An open vote from amatures would not be fruitful.
Proven talent? hmm... i can hear the screaming now... lol :)
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07/31/2002 03:39:54 PM · #12 |
| Mr. Jmsetzler, You have proven your talent. |
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07/31/2002 03:48:18 PM · #13 |
Hmm. So what's the criteria, then, for the committee? (Or for "proven" ? ;))
Winning the DPC contest once? Twice?
Being a 'favorite photographer' in the Site Favorites?
What about people who are published photographers or professional photographers, but haven't won the contest or don't post to the forums? Is their talent "proven"? :)
Curious as to responses to this ... |
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07/31/2002 03:56:09 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by Mieka:
Mr. Jmsetzler, You have proven your talent.
Proven talent is in the eye of the beholder... there are many that would definitely disagree with you very quickly...
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07/31/2002 03:58:33 PM · #15 |
and one more thing... if you took the top photographers from the favorites list, i bet no agreement could be reached :)))))
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07/31/2002 03:59:06 PM · #16 |
Yeah, I for one think his photos are absolutely horrible -- worst things on the face of this earth -- can't even figure out why he bothers to post....
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07/31/2002 04:07:31 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
Hmm. So what's the criteria, then, for the committee? (Or for "proven" ? ;))
Winning the DPC contest once? Twice?
Being a 'favorite photographer' in the Site Favorites?
What about people who are published photographers or professional photographers, but haven't won the contest or don't post to the forums? Is their talent "proven"? :)
Curious as to responses to this ...
Everyone has talent. It's just a matter of how you go about exploring it. Maybe one person is talented at taking pictures of corkscrews and the other is talented at taking pictures of rotting tomatoes and the next is talented at taking pictures of breasts. Who knows.
I've never met anyone who I didn't think had some sort of potential to take a good photograph. Proving that is pointless. It's kind of like proving you have a brain.
But proving that you can use your camera/brain with enough proficiency to produce something interesting is different, and takes practice and reading and stuff :-)
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07/31/2002 04:31:40 PM · #18 |
all i''m saying is that how would this committee be selected?
i for one don''t think there should even be a committee.
just think about this: the voters (the "amateurs") are the ones who had enough discernment to choose the pics that have won, are they not? :):)
the whole point of my suggestion was to allow people to notice and recognize aspects of photos that would otherwise be lost in the undifferentiated mass of 4th place to infinity.
maybe it''s a completely different idea than the special committee, but then again, this site has always been about the voice of the people and eliminating elitism, and it should stay that way :).
i dont think that just because we chose some people to ''win'' that we should then turn over the decisions to them .. even if they are nice people, and talented to boot : )
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07/31/2002 04:35:08 PM · #19 |
It could be done, as discussed before, by adding a few radio buttons to the voting page so the voter could select an image for 'best of category' for any of the pre-defined categories. If the user got enough votes to be at the top of the list, a best of category ribbon could be awarded to the user and it would be from the voter base rather than a select few...
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07/31/2002 04:36:53 PM · #20 |
yep. something like that is what's in the works (as I know you know) ... :) |
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07/31/2002 04:44:15 PM · #21 |
I think the specific categories that are chosen need to be evaluated so they don't conflict with any future challenge topics directly. For instance, the "black and white" challenge could resurface in the future at some point... some suggestions for categories:
Technical Excellence
Best Subject for Challenge
Most Original Theme
Best Abstract
etc etc etc etc...
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07/31/2002 04:56:49 PM · #22 |
Well to address these as best I can:
Let the users vote on their favorites in a category the same way they select site favorites now... :)
Finally, I don't see any reason for it to not be voter selected. Can you maybe elaborate why you would rather the choices were picked by a committee?
Each week I have been here (I assume it has been going on since near the begining) there have been posts of confusion about how photographs are ranked. These come from the 'newbies' but it is always the longterm members of the site who say "Stop trying to figure it out it does not make sense" or something along those lines.
I also hear comments about how certain types of photography or photgraphy techniques score badly regularly. Some types that do bad for reasons often explained as a lack of understanding are B&W, Negitive Space, Alternative Focus, and 'Art' Photographs.
It is because these types of photographs are misunderstood (I am sure I misunderstand many of them) in voter selection and because many have complained and receieved comments from experienced people explaining the photographs that I think a Committee would be useful. If a few people with Art background volunteer to judge the Art Award than I think it best those people with experience judge it. If there are people who know the technical aspects well and have proven it on the boards then they rather than say me (Who still has problems with Depth of Field Issues) should judge technical aspects.
I think putting it in the hands of the voters keep the same problem that caused people to want this in the first place. |
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07/31/2002 05:20:21 PM · #23 |
Well, the system should be set up in a manner so if all the moderators and the admins tooks a months vacation the site could still function as normal.
This maintains consistency.
I like the idea of a drop down button to choose a category for a photo. Myabe even link the buttons to a description of each categoryfor newbies.
Where I differ from John or maybe others here is that I like the idea of breaking the categories down by traditional photography categories.
Still life
Landscape
Macro
Black and White
Abstract/Digital Art
Portrait
This teaches new folks each and every week the basics of photgraphy. They don''t have to wait for a portrati challenge or a Black and White Challenge to get experience competing in that type of photography.
I don''t think the cahllenges need to be aimed at traditional photographic categories.
Why not continue to have the challenges aimed at things like curves, ground up, old stuff, corporate, love/hate/fear, games, or the millions of other specific things. And then let people use the different photographic categories to meet the challenge.
Just my 2 pennies :-)
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/31/2002 5:20:00 PM. |
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07/31/2002 05:31:44 PM · #24 |
The main reason why I''m against these Specific Committee Awards:
I''m afraid a lot of people would start entering photos that didn''t necessarily fit the category of that week, but would easily be in contention for one of those "special" awards. I think Drew and Langdon have done a tremendous job here, and they''ve done this by having a straight focus on what this challenge is about: One topic, popular vote, one winner. If you want different categories and the sort, I''m sure there''s a lot of other websites out there that''ll offer you that. I just don''t want to see DPC diluted into a generic, run-of-the-mill photography contest thing.
* This message has been edited by the author on 7/31/2002 5:32:51 PM.
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07/31/2002 06:08:15 PM · #25 |
| The awards should be randomly selected based upon unique techniques used during a challenge. This would help to promote many different ways to shoot a topic. The awards should not be awarded for every challenge, only awarded when a very well accepted photo has also utilized a unique technique and presented its use in an ideal fassion. |
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