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 02/15/2016 01:18:14 PM · #26
Originally posted by Lydia:
These are all five of the comments on that particular image ...

I wish I could get five comments on any of my images ... :-(

We have a couple of tutorials which people may find helpful. I find it's "all in how you say it" -- if you make it clear that what you are saying is your opinion and not a citation from the Bible of Correct Photography people are more willing to accept and learn from your comment -- most people react negatively to being told they are "wrong."

As a simple example, compare and contrast (pun intended):

"You overexposed this" with "I'd prefer a darker image with more highlight detail" ...

9 Guidelines for giving and receiving feedback

Commenting for beginners (a non-analytical approach)

On the other side, as a receiver of a comment, it is important to remember that, regardless of how it's phrased, it is always just the opinion of the commenter, not a pronouncement of a violation of the photographic canon (pun intended) ...
 02/15/2016 03:16:21 PM · #27
Bible of Correct Photography...

On a Facebook group, one of the admins posted, as an announcement to all of us in the group, something along the lines of "all landscape photos absolutely must have the horizon at either 1/3 (for highlighting sky) or 2/3 (for highlighting land) into the scene. Anything else is bad photography and you are a terrible photographer. No exceptions.

Hmmm.

02/15/2016 03:22:16 PM · #28
Originally posted by Jules1x:
Bible of Correct Photography...

On a Facebook group, one of the admins posted, as an announcement to all of us in the group, something along the lines of "all landscape photos absolutely must have the horizon at either 1/3 (for highlighting sky) or 2/3 (for highlighting land) into the scene. Anything else is bad photography and you are a terrible photographer. No exceptions.

Hmmm.


Were they being serious? Yikes.
 02/15/2016 03:52:51 PM · #29
Originally posted by mitalapo:
Originally posted by tnun:
Anyway I doubt very much that anyone has ever been helped by a comment of mine. At best I hope they have laughed or even been glad. But that is the humble contribution of a possibly lesser photographer.

there is no such thing as unhelpful comments.


well, of course I agree: ALL feedback is grist. It just seemed awfully condescending the way Lydia put it. I guess I am just obsessing on the "lesser" photographers. And I am sure I am way more capable of (and probably guilty of) truly offensive comments than is Lydia.

We could all benefit from rereading Posthumous's beginner's guide. Not just for commenting but for seeing. We should always assume that everything in the photo was meant to be the way it is. This can be a very worthwhile stumbling block.
 02/15/2016 04:04:58 PM · #30
Originally posted by tnun:
We should always assume that everything in the photo was meant to be the way it is.

yes. it opens up a dialogue (as opposed to two monologues).
 02/15/2016 04:24:06 PM · #31
I've said it before. Constructive criticism is rarely easy.
If an image speaks to someone, they will speak up.
But to expect someone to teach everyone how to take, edit, or find better photos in every comment is unrealistic.
 02/15/2016 04:38:05 PM · #32
"But to expect someone to teach everyone how to take, edit, or find better photos in every comment is unrealistic."

But who was suggesting that?
 02/15/2016 05:03:42 PM · #33
Originally posted by tate:
I've said it before. Constructive criticism is rarely easy.


 02/15/2016 05:15:51 PM · #34
After nearly nine years in here.. OMG, has it really been that long? Anyway, the whole commenting thing has become an exercise in futility. I've come to the point in my DPC tenure where my vote is worth more than any comment I could leave. I'm not an authority, merely a hobbyist. If I really like an image I'll say so and give it a high score. Might even add it to my favs. But that is the minority. As for the general run of images in a challenge, I'll score them no lower than a 5 even if they stink. Leaving a criticism is futile as every photographer has their own style and purpose. As tnun said: We should always assume that everything in the photo was meant to be the way it is. I tend to agree.
 02/15/2016 05:21:12 PM · #35
Originally posted by tate:
I've said it before. Constructive criticism is rarely easy.
If an image speaks to someone, they will speak up.
But to expect someone to teach everyone how to take, edit, or find better photos in every comment is unrealistic.


In a comment? Absolutely. That said, a comment I've made has led to long discussions on editing on more than one occasion. Whether it be me actually typing advice or even making a video tutorial, or pointing them to a site that might help them out, the conversation that starts can end quickly or go deep. Depends on how open folks are. I'm very much of the opinion that if you're not willing to go deeper (even if that means simply defending your position) then maybe you've got no business leaving that type of criticism, particularly as a challenge comment.
 02/15/2016 06:19:02 PM · #36
My score on Year of the Monkey is 4.6

I actually LIKE my image... and would love to have some rude person who doesn't know anything at all about photography or anything at all about the challenge topic... comment on my image so I can know what's wrong with it.

Any comment will do.

Thanks.

02/15/2016 07:01:46 PM · #37
never mind

Message edited by author 2016-02-15 19:02:16.
 02/15/2016 07:04:59 PM · #38
4.6 may not be that bad of a score by how the scoring works or doesn't work on this site. I seems 5 is good and the higher range isn't used that much. On a voting scale from 1-10 5 should be average, but it doesn't seem to be. I really think there are blind people voting sometimes because they have a hard time voting fairly or they have no idea what a photograph is. I know some of you will not like this statement, but tough luck.
02/15/2016 07:15:51 PM · #39
Originally posted by gipper11:
On a voting scale from 1-10 5 should be average ...

One the 1-10 scale the "average" is actually 5.5, so a 5 is "slightly below average" and a 6 is "slightly above average" ...
 02/15/2016 07:23:35 PM · #40
Obviously people don't understand and use the entire scale, you can fool yourself but you can't fool everyone. There seems to be a few people interested in these discussions and the rest are either not interested or got tired of getting the same do it our way or hit the highway by the few regulars who don't want changes.
02/15/2016 07:27:47 PM · #41
Originally posted by Lydia:
My score on Year of the Monkey is 4.6

I actually LIKE my image... and would love to have some rude person who doesn't know anything at all about photography or anything at all about the challenge topic... comment on my image so I can know what's wrong with it.

Any comment will do.

Thanks.


Thank you, tnun. I was hoping for some helpful hints... but thanks bunches for your cheerful comment on my image.
 02/15/2016 08:39:38 PM · #42
Originally posted by Lydia:
My score on Year of the Monkey is 4.6

I actually LIKE my image... and would love to have some rude person who doesn't know anything at all about photography or anything at all about the challenge topic... comment on my image so I can know what's wrong with it.

Any comment will do.

Thanks.


I would like to add that I've noticed a trend concerning stylized imagery in that it tends to score lower. Maybe it's because the majority of people don't understand the photographic creative process involved in creating digital art. It's more of an interpretive process. I already voted but I would be willing to take a look at the image in question and give my honest opinion.
 02/15/2016 09:09:31 PM · #43
I have no helpful hints, but I do sometimes rejoice.
 02/15/2016 09:13:04 PM · #44
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Message edited by author 2016-02-15 22:09:47.
 02/15/2016 10:08:35 PM · #45
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Message edited by author 2016-02-15 22:09:18.
 02/15/2016 10:09:04 PM · #46
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 02/15/2016 10:10:27 PM · #47
I'm happy that you're happy with my low score.

Carry on, tnun...

Carry on...
02/15/2016 10:11:12 PM · #48
Whoa... WHAT just happened there...??
02/16/2016 06:03:18 AM · #49
Originally posted by gipper11:
Obviously people don't understand and use the entire scale, you can fool yourself but you can't fool everyone.


Please forgive me if I chuckle at this coming from someone who has been here less than 2 months and who has, like every other new person, voiced concern multiple times over the way the voting numbers are defined (or not). Obviously you don't understand that everyone uses the rating system in their own way, for better or worse.

By design, rightly or wrongly, each person makes peace with this, and 2 months is barely enough. I've been here 2 years and while I'm comfortable with my use of it and the idea that no one else needs to see things my way, I have not gotten past the fact that a single outlier's "misuse" of it can cost a good image a top 10 or even a ribbon because for them 3 is "OK" and it drops a score in the mid-6's three spots with a single vote when only 50 are being cast. But that's the way it works, whether or not you or any one else understands.
 02/16/2016 08:36:42 AM · #50
i stopped commenting and voting altogether and now i just look at the pictures, its very liberating.
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