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12/21/2015 10:14:07 PM · #26 |
For those worried about the privacy aspect
https://youtu.be/ok_tngPpGEo |
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12/21/2015 10:28:44 PM · #27 |
As usual it's a few bad actors that are the reason for the regulations.
I have no issue with registering.
I hope one day they come up with a UAV licensing program so that once a UAV pilot proves competence he or she can have more privileges, like higher than 400 ft altitude, fly in national parks, can fly commercially, etc.
I am having a blast with mine. |
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12/21/2015 10:31:51 PM · #28 |
Originally posted by GrillTowel:
On another note; this is never going to work unless the registration is required at the time of purchase.
I currently have two quads that I have just registered. Actually you just get a number to put on your devices. What If I didn't register? I can't imagine that I would ever be stopped and questioned by local, state or federal law enforcement when I'm out at the lake flying.
Additionally, what happens if my quad DOES NOT have it's id on it when I cause an airliner to crash? If they find me, do I do an extra 20 years for flying an unmarked quadcopter?
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you should only have to register once, If I understand the process. The registration is for the pilot/owner, not the craft itself.
I believe we will get stopped more my law enforcement once this becomes widely known.
If you do fly unregistered and get caught, there is a fine.
If this has the effect of stupid people not buying and flying drones for fear of getting caught, I am all for it.
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12/22/2015 10:12:24 AM · #29 |
I kind of enjoyed the video that followed that one on Youtube ...
There is an aspect to this where it looks like lazy menacing humans standing around with their toys interrupting nature. As humans, for some reason, we feel we have all these "rights". "If I can buy a gun or a flying machine, I can do whatever I want with it" ... And how dare our elected officials require a bit of cooperation from us in case something goes wrong.
I'm all for cool video of places yet untravelled. And I love RC vehicles and the like. But this, I believe has a great deal of potential for misuse and abuse and just being downright annoying. So as someone who has considered an entry-level drone but elected not to, I think registration is a swell idea. Of course it is not a flawless solution - but it is a start. Some are saying "it should be required at time of purchase" - but I bet you any money, the companies selling these things would fight like hell against that.
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12/23/2015 05:10:25 PM · #30 |
Check this one out! Very short video clip. Should be subtitled "When good drones go bad" :-)
Message edited by author 2015-12-23 19:03:26. |
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12/24/2015 01:24:55 PM · #31 |
| Once you get registered, you might want to try Light-painting photography using a drone ... |
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12/27/2015 05:28:36 PM · #32 |
| i just cant wait to start shooting them down. maybe local governments will open a season for them. |
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12/27/2015 06:06:27 PM · #33 |
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12/28/2015 10:55:15 AM · #34 |
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12/28/2015 07:22:55 PM · #35 |
When quadcopters reach the efficiency of transportation that the jet pack of Buck Rogers used, I'll get interested in them.
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12/28/2015 11:11:56 PM · #36 |
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
And I won't even say what I think about the geniuses who say they "can't wait to start shooting them down."
Message edited by author 2015-12-28 23:13:11. |
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12/28/2015 11:42:14 PM · #37 |
That video of the of the comparison of the quadcopter and the zoom lens from the hotel was a perfect example.
I personally own a Nikon P900 with an 85x optical zoom AND I own a PHANTOM Vision 2+.
I can stand on top of my 8 foot high shed with my P900 and zoom in on a nickel on a backyard fence six houses away and nearly fill the frame. For me to get the same shot with my quadcopter, I'd have to land it on the nickel!
In addition, like you pointed out, any current smart phone is much more likely to "invade your privacy" than a quadcopter.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
And I won't even say what I think about the geniuses who say they "can't wait to start shooting them down."
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12/29/2015 02:12:02 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
And I won't even say what I think about the geniuses who say they "can't wait to start shooting them down."
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To play devils advocate for a minute, most people aren't worried about someone with a cellphone recording into their 2nd-30th story window, or over their backyard fence, or anywhere else where they have a reasonable expectation of privacy. All of these things are actually possible with drones. Now I believe at this time, at the consumer level at least, there are limited capabilities regarding the use of zoom lenses, as well as the noise factor for using it any stealth fashion. That will change. It is inevitable. These are merely technological and costing issues which as we all know will change with time, most likely sooner than later.
Even if some of these fears people have are unreasonable right now, that won't be the case in a few short years. I have no idea what the cost of this is, but would you bet money that there won't be a comparable, affordable consumer level version available in say...the next 5 years?
As for people's expectation of privacy in a public setting, well, as we all know as photographers, there are many people who think they have that right already, so I wouldn't expect them to behave any differently with respect to drones.
Just a disclaimer, I have no opinion on the idea of registration and the like, and at this point, this is the most effort I have ever spent on the topic of drones. I just don't understand how anyone can try to deny the privacy concerns that are certain to exist in the near future, even if they don't already. Usually, laws are always behind the technology curve.
Message edited by author 2015-12-29 02:12:52. |
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12/29/2015 10:54:16 AM · #39 |
I am a huge proponent of investigative journalism and the use of drones by scientists and meteorologists. And some people are even taking it upon themselves to learn more about places otherwise unnoticed.
As  FromDaRock mentioned, it is just a matter of time before the technology allows for the average drone consumer to have the capabilities that a big-zoom video camera does. The privacy laws may be up for debate - and Im guessing with the influence of corporate lobbies, it may become illegal to use a drone to overlook corporations etc. I certainly hope not.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
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12/29/2015 11:06:54 AM · #40 |
| Looking at this from a different perspective (so to speak), there's no putting ANY of the technological genies we've called forth in the last few decades back into their lamps. It just doesn't work that way. What's going to change, most likely, is the whole concept of "privacy" as we know it. For a fascinating perspective on this, check out the SF novel by Arthur Clarke with Steven Baxter, "The Light of Other Days". This basically explores how societal norms would change in a world where anyone can "spy" on anything, any time... |
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12/29/2015 11:14:02 AM · #41 |
I hear what you're saying. However, next time I'm in a building in the city, I'll take my Nikon P900. If any windows are open up to 1/2 mile away, I'll show you what I can see. I have to tell you though, my Phantom wouldn't be able to do 20% of the job on that same window as the Nikon.
10-15 years from now when quadcopters and small zooms evolve may be a different story.
Originally posted by tate:
I am a huge proponent of investigative journalism and the use of drones by scientists and meteorologists. And some people are even taking it upon themselves to learn more about places otherwise unnoticed.
As FromDaRock mentioned, it is just a matter of time before the technology allows for the average drone consumer to have the capabilities that a big-zoom video camera does. The privacy laws may be up for debate - and Im guessing with the influence of corporate lobbies, it may become illegal to use a drone to overlook corporations etc. I certainly hope not.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
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12/29/2015 11:20:51 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Looking at this from a different perspective (so to speak), there's no putting ANY of the technological genies we've called forth in the last few decades back into their lamps. It just doesn't work that way. What's going to change, most likely, is the whole concept of "privacy" as we know it. For a fascinating perspective on this, check out the SF novel by Arthur Clarke with Steven Baxter, "The Light of Other Days". This basically explores how societal norms would change in a world where anyone can "spy" on anything, any time... |
Yup, excellent novel.
I'm fascinated by the nature of humans to look solely at the negative impact of everything new. And again, we are allowing the few "bad apples" who will misuse anything for their personal profit/entertainment to dictate usage limitations for the vast majority of law-abiding users with common sense and ethics. |
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12/29/2015 12:13:14 PM · #43 |
The Light of Other Days was very good. I love how they figured out the only way to be sure they weren't "overheard" was to sit in a dark closet and spell out their words on the other person's skin!
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Looking at this from a different perspective (so to speak), there's no putting ANY of the technological genies we've called forth in the last few decades back into their lamps. It just doesn't work that way. What's going to change, most likely, is the whole concept of "privacy" as we know it. For a fascinating perspective on this, check out the SF novel by Arthur Clarke with Steven Baxter, "The Light of Other Days". This basically explores how societal norms would change in a world where anyone can "spy" on anything, any time... |
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12/29/2015 12:16:50 PM · #44 |
Originally posted by GrillTowel:
The Light of Other Days was very good. I love how they figured out the only way to be sure they weren't "overheard" was to sit in a dark closet and spell out their words on the other person's skin! |
Curiously, that's the only way I have to "talk" in the dark. It's cumbersome, but it works, sort of :-) |
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12/29/2015 12:41:04 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I'm fascinated by the nature of humans to look solely at the negative impact of everything new. |
Well, it would be a little strange to "worry" about the positive impacts.
Considering the prevalence of "unintended consequences" related to almost every human activity I'd say that maybe we don't look hard enough at the negative side of new things ... |
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12/29/2015 02:16:19 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by tanguera:
I'm fascinated by the nature of humans to look solely at the negative impact of everything new. |
Well, it would be a little strange to "worry" about the positive impacts.
Considering the prevalence of "unintended consequences" related to almost every human activity I'd say that maybe we don't look hard enough at the negative side of new things ... |
Right! I'm never quite sure if my comments get read here LOL.
But I have made comments as to the positive effect of drones ... as well as the benefits to registration.
Already we are seeing the positive results of drones in the right hands. Be it investigative journalism, keeping soldiers out of harm's way, or scientists monitoring the phenomena in nature, drones are having positive impacts all over. So who's to say registering them isn't a good idea? Sometimes we humans mistake minor inconveniences for the over-reach of government.
Originally posted by alanfreed:
I find it amusing that the people who are all bent out of shape about their "privacy" being violated don't seem to be bothered by the fact that virtually every person around them has a video camera in the form of a cell phone... and that proximity can certainly get an infinitely better view of you at any given time. People are idiots.
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Obviously you're passionate about this topic. But don't we have government drones identifying and killing targets overseas without even being seen? ... How different will consumer drones be in the next few years? In fact, I'm sure there are people building their own drones - and one would imagine they are not all just taking pretty pictures. |
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12/30/2015 05:06:52 PM · #47 |
Tonight at 8:00 pm Pacific Time: KQED radio will broadcast/stream a one-hour program on drones
Originally posted by Program Summary:
Wed, Dec 30, 2015 -- 8:00 PM
America Abroad
How Drones are Reshaping the World -- Close to a million drones may be sold this holiday season, and within five years the global market is expected to reach a billion dollars. Drones are being used for real estate and construction, package delivery, journalism, and search and rescue. They're being used to deliver humanitarian aid in the world's most challenging regions, and to locate and kill members of ISIS and other extremist groups. |
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12/30/2015 10:01:39 PM · #48 |
Originally posted by tate:
... How different will consumer drones be in the next few years? In fact, I'm sure there are people building their own drones - and one would imagine they are not all just taking pretty pictures. |
People have been building and flying their own "drones" for more than half a century. Until recently, they were referred to as "model aircraft." As someone who has enjoyed this hobby since the '60's, I take exception to the idea that suddenly, they are re-classified as "drones" and are now subject to regulation. Surely, there is a better way. |
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12/30/2015 10:17:13 PM · #49 |
| "Model aircraft" have typically not (to this point) been capable of being guided to a specific location (3-axis GPS coordinates) and made to hover there while carrying out various "functions." |
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12/30/2015 10:21:53 PM · #50 |
It has gotten crazy. I have a few quadcopters, and two planes. All are battery powered. One of my planes is a glider with a 6 foot wingspan. Battery power spins to prop to get it to height and then you glide. I can keep that thing flying for over two hours (in the summer heat) WITH a Gopro on it. I can fly 350 feet or 50 feet ...up and down. No one EVER EVER EVER has said anything to me while I'm flying it over the beach, parking lot or local parks. However....
When flying a much noisier quadcopter with the same camera in the same places, I will at times get "concerned" parents asking me if I have a camera on it or, "are you filming the kids?" The fact that they think quads are somehow videoing their kids from 50 to 300 feet for perverse reasons simply blows my mind.
I admit that it doesn't happen much but it does happen.
The last time it happened on a beach I showed the lady the view I was getting from the quad as it hovered about 75 feet over our heads. Then I showed her the video clip I got from "falsely" talking on my 4k iPhone 6s as I walked past people on the beach.
...guess what technique perverts would use....LMAO.
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by tate:
... How different will consumer drones be in the next few years? In fact, I'm sure there are people building their own drones - and one would imagine they are not all just taking pretty pictures. |
People have been building and flying their own "drones" for more than half a century. Until recently, they were referred to as "model aircraft." As someone who has enjoyed this hobby since the '60's, I take exception to the idea that suddenly, they are re-classified as "drones" and are now subject to regulation. Surely, there is a better way. |
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