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10/07/2004 12:52:16 PM · #1 |
just curious if some people get a chip on their shoulder from comments/negative votes.
i try to stay objective as much as possible when voting. despite the fact i am repeatedly playing in the last quarter of the vote results.
in fact, i think my average score given out has increased. i usually now give a 4 or 5 whereas i would have given a 2 or 3.. and look for more 7s and 8s to give. there aren't many 9s and i dont think i ever gave a 10.
any thoughts?
ps - i appreciate the tough voting actually, makes me strive more.. but can also ebb the confidence a bit which is why I'm being a lot more careful which challenges I enter.
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10/07/2004 12:57:51 PM · #2 |
This is taken from my post earlier this morning in another thread on the "competitive human nature" factor in voting.
2. Voting: I hate to say this but I believe the "competitive human nature" is coming into play when voting, for some people. Before I explain let me say for the record I am not suggesting anyone is doing this on purpose or is doing it at all. "Competitive human nature" during voting is subconsciously voting a picture lower than you would have based on where your average stands. EXAMPLE: One may believe that they have a great photo and believes it deserves at least an â8â but their average is only â5.5â then subconsciously they vote a photo that they believe to be as good as theirs a 5 or 6. Kind of like "itâs not speeding if you are keeping with the flow of traffic". Hope that makes sense.
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10/07/2004 01:47:12 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by saintaugust:
there aren't many 9s and i dont think i ever gave a 10. |
why so harsh? i usually find 1-4 pic on the challenge that really stand out adn award them a ten. it doesnt mean the picture is perfect, it just means its the one thatès the most creative for the challenge... |
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10/07/2004 03:38:34 PM · #4 |
I always give at leasdt 1-2 10's in challenge. The rules were changed you know to say that a vote of 10 is a good foto, not one that is perfect.
st.august, why do you vote so low? 4's & 5's arent really all that generous, IMHO. I find lots of shots worthy of a higher score than that.
Just wondering, not accusing.
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10/07/2004 03:46:04 PM · #5 |
I try to be as fair as I can with voting, regardless of how badly I am doing. I had hoped for some improvements in Parts challenge, but I am stuck with the usual 4.6ish average.
I don't set out to cast an average vote, so it is not uncommon for me to award a few tens, but these must appeal to my interpretation of the challenge, focus, subject, etc. I will vote low if I feel the challenge has been missed or bent to suit a photo!
Also, the quality is important...however, I realise that not all digital cameras can produce the same results as a 20D. Therefore I make allowances for slightly uncrisp photos, in case the camera is the fault. But I don't allow for poor photos where no real effort has gone into composition. But at the end of the day, it is a personal thing, this voting lark! |
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10/07/2004 03:47:11 PM · #6 |
I have given eight or nine 10's in a challenge before. I usually give several 10's, 9's and 8's in every challenge that I vote in, but I don't vote in all of them. For example, I didn't vote in the Wacky Foods challenge and I may not have given a 10 in that challenge because the 10 is for photos that I might hang on my wall or that I think is exceptional. I don't think I would hang any of those on my wall even though there were some good photos.
I haven't entered a challenge in a while but even when I did, I didn't vote other photos low just to increase my chances of getting a higher score.
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10/07/2004 03:51:26 PM · #7 |
Originally posted by Wolfie:
I try to be as fair as I can with voting, regardless of how badly I am doing. I had hoped for some improvements in Parts challenge, but I am stuck with the usual 4.6ish average.
I don't set out to cast an average vote, so it is not uncommon for me to award a few tens, but these must appeal to my interpretation of the challenge, focus, subject, etc. I will vote low if I feel the challenge has been missed or bent to suit a photo!
Also, the quality is important...however, I realise that not all digital cameras can produce the same results as a 20D. Therefore I make allowances for slightly uncrisp photos, in case the camera is the fault. But I don't allow for poor photos where no real effort has gone into composition. But at the end of the day, it is a personal thing, this voting lark! |
How refreshing to see someone else that allows for a bit of quality loss in the chance that it's from a camera that just can't produce like some higher end ones :) I do this as well, especially if the composition and lighting, etc. is strong. It's not always easy, of course, and sometimes mistakes will be made (a 20D can take awful photographs in some people's hands too!), but over-all, I think it's a good thing.
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10/07/2004 04:26:06 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
This is taken from my post earlier this morning in another thread on the "competitive human nature" factor in voting.
2. Voting: I hate to say this but I believe the "competitive human nature" is coming into play when voting, for some people. (...) |
When I read all those threads about "revenge voting" or poor comments or low scores... I feel more and more reluctant to vote and to comment. I thought is about beeing honest, about the truth - now, I'm not so sure. Why should I piss off people? I'm just a newbie here. I entered only one challenge with very poor result, which was a great experience. It wasn't pleasant, but I have to agree I've got fair score and fair comments (special thanks to DougPaz and Philos31). I have better pictures in my portfolio, but I joined DPC for fun and as a learning experience. So far all this discussions, bitter words to people voting and commenting...
I begin to regrate I wrote in my comments the score I give, although I must admit, there are some I didn't write anything. There were low scores and I just was afraid to cause myself trouble after reading some of the threads and looking at the emotions of participants counting every vote up to the second digit after coma.
It's really sad. |
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10/07/2004 04:31:46 PM · #9 |
Originally posted by rennie:
Originally posted by SDW65:
This is taken from my post earlier this morning in another thread on the "competitive human nature" factor in voting.
2. Voting: I hate to say this but I believe the "competitive human nature" is coming into play when voting, for some people. (...) |
When I read all those threads about "revenge voting" or poor comments or low scores... I feel more and more reluctant to vote and to comment. I thought is about beeing honest, about the truth - now, I'm not so sure. Why should I piss off people? I'm just a newbie here. I entered only one challenge with very poor result, which was a great experience. It wasn't pleasant, but I have to agree I've got fair score and fair comments (special thanks to DougPaz and Philos31). I have better pictures in my portfolio, but I joined DPC for fun and as a learning experience. So far all this discussions, bitter words to people voting and commenting...
I begin to regrate I wrote in my comments the score I give, although I must admit, there are some I didn't write anything. There were low scores and I just was afraid to cause myself trouble after reading some of the threads and looking at the emotions of participants counting every vote up to the second digit after coma.
It's really sad. |
I understand how you feel, I am at the bottom of the heap looking up, but I keep going, and try to vote how I feel. Of course, when we enter a challenge we all think our photo is the greatest thing since sliced bread, but deep down inside we know that there could have been improvements etc.
Just enjoy being here and learning, and vote with comments as you think it should be. You commented on my entry and it was a fair comment. I don't hate you for it....!!
Just joking, any comment is welcome and keep at it!! |
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10/07/2004 04:34:39 PM · #10 |
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10/07/2004 05:28:51 PM · #11 |
As I personally have seen rather sudden drops on good scoring entries of my own, right towards the end of a challenge, I can only suspect some were doing what they could to boost their own scores.
By this, I mean when a shot has 200 some votes, been hanging around 7.6xxx for almost a week, then suddenly see it go to 7.4xx within the last hour, one can only assume this to be what is happening.
Yeah, it's discouraging, but I have changed my attitude on it.
If that is what someone feels they have to do, they can walk away with a higher score, but have only fooled themselves. Kinda' like being in a foot race and tripping people to move up in the finish placings.
Karma - it will lash back, somehow, somewhere..
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10/07/2004 05:40:29 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by rennie:
Originally posted by SDW65:
This is taken from my post earlier this morning in another thread on the "competitive human nature" factor in voting.
2. Voting: I hate to say this but I believe the "competitive human nature" is coming into play when voting, for some people. (...) |
When I read all those threads about "revenge voting" or poor comments or low scores... I feel more and more reluctant to vote and to comment. I thought is about beeing honest, about the truth - now, I'm not so sure. Why should I piss off people? I'm just a newbie here. I entered only one challenge with very poor result, which was a great experience. It wasn't pleasant, but I have to agree I've got fair score and fair comments (special thanks to DougPaz and Philos31). I have better pictures in my portfolio, but I joined DPC for fun and as a learning experience. So far all this discussions, bitter words to people voting and commenting...
I begin to regrate I wrote in my comments the score I give, although I must admit, there are some I didn't write anything. There were low scores and I just was afraid to cause myself trouble after reading some of the threads and looking at the emotions of participants counting every vote up to the second digit after coma.
It's really sad. |
To make clear what I was saying in my post, I was not saying anyone was doing this and I would never do this. I was suggesting that this maybe what a very few may be doing. And used that as a reason to consider my #3 suggestion. Please go back a read my entire post, I donât want anyone to mistake what I was saying. I have only broken the 5.X average once. I do care about my score but most of all I am concerned about learning. To see my full post you can read this thread. |
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10/07/2004 05:50:56 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by BradP:
Karma - it will lash back, somehow, somewhere.. |
My grandmother, who was a very wise woman that lived to be well into her 90s, used to say all the time that "What crawls up the Devil's back crawls down the Devil's belly." If indeed there is any revenge voting going on, karma will come back around.
Here's a little something for those who might be the victims of revenge voters, if indeed they exist...
A Friendship Prayer:
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short to scratch...
Amen. :o)
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10/07/2004 05:59:36 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
Originally posted by BradP:
Karma - it will lash back, somehow, somewhere.. |
My grandmother, who was a very wise woman that lived to be well into her 90s, used to say all the time that "What crawls up the Devil's back crawls down the Devil's belly." If indeed there is any revenge voting going on, karma will come back around.
Here's a little something for those who might be the victims of revenge voters, if indeed they exist...
A Friendship Prayer:
May the fleas of a thousand camels infest the crotch of the person who screws up your day and may their arms be too short to scratch...
Amen. :o) |
LOL...good quote - wise grandmother. I have a grand mother that will be turning 97 this month. |
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10/08/2004 02:34:10 AM · #15 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
To make clear what I was saying in my post, I was not saying anyone was doing this and I would never do this. I was suggesting that this maybe what a very few may be doing. And used that as a reason to consider my #3 suggestion. Please go back a read my entire post, I donât want anyone to mistake what I was saying. I have only broken the 5.X average once. I do care about my score but most of all I am concerned about learning. To see my full post you can read this thread. |
I read your post carefully. And I read it several times and I know you didn't want to offend anybody, just as I don't want to offend you. I highlited the verse that says about suggestions which is important. What was on my mind is the general atmosphere which one can feel in some of the threads. The fragment of your post was just an illustration. Maybe you didn't think that way, but look at the comments to your post. Some of them take the idea of competitive voting directly and apply it to the latest challenges results.
And in general (Please don't take this part personally SDW65 - it's just a general thought):
Even if somebody is voting in a revenge, God with him. (BTW what can one low score do to the image that got only 8,9 or 10s? To get an effect it needs several users' collusion). What I'm saying, talking about it doesn't help this site and my discourage honest people from voting and commenting.
Is it better to end up lower than expected and get 20 comments or end up higher even with 3-5 scores and no comment at all? |
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