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07/18/2015 09:39:35 AM · #176 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
These things don't only happen in firearm-free zones. Not so long ago Arizona Representative Giffords and 18 others were shot in a public parking lot in a state with the most lax gun laws in the nation. |
Remind me, as I seem to have forgotten, how many bystanders returned fire that day? I was under the impression that none were armed. |
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07/18/2015 10:05:35 AM · #177 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
These things don't only happen in firearm-free zones. Not so long ago Arizona Representative Giffords and 18 others were shot in a public parking lot in a state with the most lax gun laws in the nation. |
Remind me, as I seem to have forgotten, how many bystanders returned fire that day? I was under the impression that none were armed. |
You would be wrong on that one my friend. I vividly recall of one armed gentleman who took his gun out, aimed at a person and thankfully did not shoot since the person he aimed at was not the shooter.
I will try to find it for you later on after I am done my chores.
Found a link to it... look Here
Now back to trimming trees and cutting grass... oh and killing anything and everything I see, cause I own a gun and as such am a born killer.
Ray
Message edited by author 2015-07-18 10:44:10. |
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07/18/2015 10:07:16 AM · #178 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
I shouldn't really ask this, because I haven't been following the thread. But the "for guns" group seems to think that having guns will help in case of trouble.
Did the marines who were killed at the recruiting center have guns? Not being sarcastic, it just seemed like someone would have. It didn't seem to help in that case. The coverage I've seen didn't seem to address it at all, so I honestly don't know. |
With the exception of the military police, (unless things have changed lately), all military bases are "gun free" zones.
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07/18/2015 10:34:56 AM · #179 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by bohemka:
These things don't only happen in firearm-free zones. Not so long ago Arizona Representative Giffords and 18 others were shot in a public parking lot in a state with the most lax gun laws in the nation. |
Remind me, as I seem to have forgotten, how many bystanders returned fire that day? I was under the impression that none were armed. |
Well, you're moving the goalposts. You said: "The pattern is pretty consistent, these nutjobs always target places that are firearm free zones. Schools, theaters, military bases, recruiting offices, post offices, work places.... All gun free zones. You don't ever read about someone pulling this sort of shit in a place where people are likely to be armed."
I was simply pointing out that that parking lot in Arizona was most definitely not a "gun-free zone." Just about anyone there could've been carrying a gun, concealed or otherwise, without a permit. Having lived in AZ for a number of years I'd wager there were plenty of guns in that parking lot, regardless of whether they were used. |
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07/18/2015 04:48:54 PM · #180 |
Now you can bean your attacker and photograph the evidence at the same time:
Throwable camera aims to save lives
However, the article doesn't say whether it saves valid EXIF data, so it may not be legal for DPC challenges ... ;-) |
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07/19/2015 10:45:50 AM · #181 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
I was simply pointing out that that parking lot in Arizona was most definitely not a "gun-free zone." Just about anyone there could've been carrying a gun, concealed or otherwise, without a permit. Having lived in AZ for a number of years I'd wager there were plenty of guns in that parking lot, regardless of whether they were used. |
concealed carry wont be an effective deterrent until more people carry than not. something i doubt it will ever happen.
i dont want to live in a society where guns are everywhere, that doesn't seem like a great place to live, it sound more a dystopian society, we need to be moving toward a more peaceful future, arming everyone seems like the human race would be moving backwards. |
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07/19/2015 02:13:20 PM · #182 |
"i dont want to live in a society where guns are everywhere, that doesn't seem like a great place to live, it sound more a dystopian society, we need to be moving toward a more peaceful future, arming everyone seems like the human race would be moving backwards."
Peeps like to say: "if everyone had had a gun, the shooter would have been killed before anyone got hurt". Really? If everyone had a gun, it'd be the OK Corral. Shooter MIGHT get shot, but so might several innocent gun-toters as well. And, yeah......they just might die. Ooops!
The defensiveness of some of these posters is glaring enough to be laughable. Those, of course, who are terrified Obama is coming for their guns....their security....their manhood...their liberty. Their 2nd Amendment right, however, is MUCH MUCH more important than someone's life. Even a child's.
And, still.....not a single one has shown evidence that there are more "legitimate" gun deaths than accidents, murder, or suicide. Still waiting.......
::tick tock:: |
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07/19/2015 03:51:06 PM · #183 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
The defensiveness of some of these posters is glaring enough to be laughable. Those, of course, who are terrified Obama is coming for their guns....their security....their manhood...their liberty. Their 2nd Amendment right, however, is MUCH MUCH more important than someone's life. Even a child's.
And, still.....not a single one has shown evidence that there are more "legitimate" gun deaths than accidents, murder, or suicide. Still waiting.......
::tick tock:: |
When you get a chance, perhaps you could provide us with some evidence to support this rather inane comment you made a while back when you said: ", and after all.....you own a gun for the sole purpose of killing someone with it, right? "
You may not realize this, but I too share some of the very real concerns you have about gun ownership and the lack of control over the possession and registration of same.
Sadly, some of the comments you have made up to this juncture are no better than those brought to the fore by representatives of the NRA and because of that I cannot in good conscience support your stand... at least not as you have presented it to date.
Ray
Message edited by Bear_Music - fixed quote. |
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07/19/2015 04:01:27 PM · #184 |
The recruitment centers are definitely gun-free, and reserve training centers as well but usually if it's a reserve base the gate guards would have some kind of weapons. Easy for a terrorist to smuggle weapons in as most bases don't do 100% vehicle searches - way too time consuming.
It's a topic that comes up fairly often in my office - the only armed individuals are at the gates of the base I work on, and the entry points to the flight line. All the other buildings are full of sitting ducks, despite the fact that we have all been trained on how to use weapons in boot camp. |
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07/19/2015 10:11:37 PM · #185 |
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07/19/2015 10:17:14 PM · #186 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
When you get a chance, perhaps you could provide us with some evidence to support this rather inane comment you made a while back when you said: ", and after all.....you own a gun for the sole purpose of killing someone with it, right? "
I've got a better idea: why don't you tell me what other purpose a firearm....a gun....has other than to inject a projectile into the body of another living being, why YOU have the right to do that, and why you'd want to if you're the "christian" I assume you to be. Go. |
"Living being" isn't the same as "someone", which I think is the major deficiency in your statement, besides which a firearm is probably most often used as a threat/deterrent, which is why every armed robbery isn't a case of murder, and every arrest not a case of (possibly) "justifiable" homicide ... |
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07/19/2015 10:37:20 PM · #187 |
....... besides which a firearm is probably most often used as a threat/deterrent......
Why do you suppose guns are used as a threat/deterrent? |
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07/19/2015 10:45:32 PM · #188 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
....... besides which a firearm is probably most often used as a threat/deterrent......
Why do you suppose guns are used as a threat/deterrent? |
Why is it that you think that we have to answer your questions when you have to date failed to respond to any of the questions raised by others?
Perhaps you could try to justify that comment you made earlier... you know the one where you stated: "and after all.....you own a gun for the sole purpose of killing someone with it, right? "
Anyone who knows anything about these forums knows that I have have a very differing view from those of  Cory and Cowboy221977 on the issue of firearms, but the extremism you have demonstrated thus far has had me agree with them in some perspective.
That dear lady is saying an awful lot.
...upon being notified by the person in question... I will now retract the term "lady" from my comment. I hope this makes her happy.
Ray
Message edited by author 2015-07-19 23:10:49. |
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07/19/2015 11:01:26 PM · #189 |
Why is it that you think that we have to answer your questions when you have to date failed to respond to any of the questions raised by others?
You don't have to. But, in this case, you can't. Which is why you aren't.
Perhaps you could try to justify that comment you made earlier... you know the one where you stated: "and after all.....you own a gun for the sole purpose of killing someone with it, right? "
I justified it by pointing out that a gun has one purpose. It was created to KILL another living being. Did you buy your guns to use as a planter?
And, Ray.....I'm not your "lady", dear or otherwise. Knock it off. |
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07/19/2015 11:10:16 PM · #190 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Why is it that you think that we have to answer your questions when you have to date failed to respond to any of the questions raised by others?
You don't have to. But, in this case, you can't. Which is why you aren't.
Perhaps you could try to justify that comment you made earlier... you know the one where you stated: "and after all.....you own a gun for the sole purpose of killing someone with it, right? "
I justified it by pointing out that a gun has one purpose. It was created to KILL another living being. Did you buy your guns to use as a planter?
And, Ray.....I'm not your "lady", dear or otherwise. Knock it off. |
Your response is no better than those I hear from the NRA on occasion and most definitely does not address that inane comment you initially made.
Nice try at deflection.
Oh, and most of the firearms I did use were issued to me when I was in the police force. Happy now,.
Ray |
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07/19/2015 11:19:40 PM · #191 |
Your response is no better than those I hear from the NRA on occasion and most definitely does not address that inane comment you initially made.
Which response would you like to hear?
Oh, and most of the firearms I did use were issued to me when I was in the police force. Happy now,.
Wow. That's impressive. You're blaming someone else for your need to keep lethal weapons. How long do you have to be retired before you take responsibility? |
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07/19/2015 11:30:32 PM · #192 |
Originally posted by Luciemac:
Your response is no better than those I hear from the NRA on occasion and most definitely does not address that inane comment you initially made.
Which response would you like to hear?
Oh, and most of the firearms I did use were issued to me when I was in the police force. Happy now,.
Wow. That's impressive. You're blaming someone else for your need to keep lethal weapons. How long do you have to be retired before you take responsibility? |
There really is no pleasing you is there.
Just so we understand each other very clearly, I owe you no explanation whatsoever as to why I do things. I am also quite capable of taking responsibility for things that I have done and comments that I have made... unlike you who seemingly believes that all who own guns are crazed killers.
I used to think only representatives of the NRA used indefensible comments when trying to defend their stances but it seems I was wrong in that regard.
Some people one can reason with... others not so much.
Have a nice day,
Ray
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07/20/2015 08:26:01 AM · #193 |
Another way the Obama administration is trying to outlaw guns. Taking baby steps to achieve the ultimate goal.
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07/20/2015 08:36:25 AM · #194 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another way the Obama administration is trying to outlaw guns. Taking baby steps to achieve the ultimate goal. |
Originally posted by linked article:
"... if it is determined they are unable to manage their own affairs ..." |
So, you think it is OK for people judged to be mentally incompetent to have guns? |
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07/20/2015 08:46:03 AM · #195 |
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
original story
Opinion piece by ex-cnn correspondant
If they had not been carrying a gun then there might have been 2 good people that became fatalities instead of 1 bad person. This is one of many reasons why I support the second amendment. |
Yes, this was awesome story. Read like a movie. A friend who worked at CNN before told me Lynne Russell was pretty amazing with a gun. However she knew her special forces hubby was even better.
Sad the idiot did what he did and is now dead, but like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, you don't get to be a thug with impunity forever.
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07/20/2015 08:56:29 AM · #196 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another way the Obama administration is trying to outlaw guns. Taking baby steps to achieve the ultimate goal. |
Originally posted by linked article:
"... if it is determined they are unable to manage their own affairs ..." |
So, you think it is OK for people judged to be mentally incompetent to have guns? |
No if you have problems managing your money...guess what no gun for you. So many people have had problems managing a checkbook....guess what if this passes and those people are on SS your 2nd amendment has been revoked.
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07/20/2015 08:57:47 AM · #197 |
Originally posted by klkitchens:
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Sad the idiot did what he did and is now dead, but like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, you don't get to be a thug with impunity forever. |
Oh, didn't you get the memo? Thug is now off-limits, it's the new version of the 'n' word.
What you meant to say was "Sweet boy, who goes to church every Sunday and wouldn't hurt nobody".. |
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07/20/2015 09:02:13 AM · #198 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Originally posted by klkitchens:
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Sad the idiot did what he did and is now dead, but like Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin, you don't get to be a thug with impunity forever. |
Oh, didn't you get the memo? Thug is now off-limits, it's the new version of the 'n' word.
What you meant to say was "Sweet boy, who goes to church every Sunday and wouldn't hurt nobody".. |
LOL oh good god the PC police are out this morning.
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07/20/2015 09:06:41 AM · #199 |
What an incredibly misleading headline.
"The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or diseaseĆ¢€¯ Ć¢€“ which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported."
But the headline leads one to believe anyone with Social Security benefits ... they continue to pretend they are fair and balanced, I suppose.
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another way the Obama administration is trying to outlaw guns. Taking baby steps to achieve the ultimate goal. |
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07/20/2015 09:16:29 AM · #200 |
Originally posted by tate:
What an incredibly misleading headline.
"The language of federal gun laws restricts ownership to people who are unable to manage their own affairs due to "marked subnormal intelligence, or mental illness, incompetency, condition, or diseaseĆ¢€¯ Ć¢€“ which could potentially affect a large group within Social Security, the LA Times reported."
But the headline leads one to believe anyone with Social Security benefits ... they continue to pretend they are fair and balanced, I suppose.
Originally posted by cowboy221977:
Another way the Obama administration is trying to outlaw guns. Taking baby steps to achieve the ultimate goal. |
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It is anyone with SS benefits that for what ever reason has to have someone else to manage their affaire. This includes people that are not mentally unstable but that just can't balance their checkbook.
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