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08/02/2015 03:11:57 PM · #476

And, it continues..... (to my great pleasure and entertainment).....[[won't you PLEASE learn you're being PLAYED?? It's starting to get embarrassing]]

But, I just now was introduced to a new FB page, probably NOT created by any of you guys, but which shall probably prove to be either sophomoric, highly amusing, or downright profound (snort).

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08/02/2015 03:26:28 PM · #477

Lucie, you STILL haven't answered the very simple question I have posed to you a few times now.. I'm honestly starting to wonder if you have any capacity for thought at all, outside of trolling that is.

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Bear_Music

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08/02/2015 06:06:34 PM · #478

Originally posted by Luciemac:

And, it continues..... (to my great pleasure and entertainment).....[[won't you PLEASE learn you're being PLAYED?? It's starting to get embarrassing]]

And when will YOU acknowledge, perhaps with a sly wink, that you're currently being played back? I'M embarrassed for YOU :-)

08/02/2015 06:23:49 PM · #479

Originally posted by Cory:

The question being why do I eat meat if I don't believe in killing for fun? (assuming that's the "question"):

--- I was raised eating meat. It's part of my lifestyle. The meat I eat wasn't slaughtered as "sport".
--- To my mind, no one in 2015 needs to kill their food, so when they do, it's because they enjoy killing (also known as "hunting"...like Walter Palmer, and my nephew, Eric)
--- When someone needs to brag about their hunts (as many of you have done), one wonders why you have to brag. I figure it's the same reason that Jericho needs to kill Cecil's cubs.
--- ummmm....anything else? It's really pretty simple. Why don't you understand??

08/02/2015 06:25:03 PM · #480

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Luciemac:
And, it continues..... (to my great pleasure and entertainment).....[[won't you PLEASE learn you're being PLAYED?? It's starting to get embarrassing]]

And when will YOU acknowledge, perhaps with a sly wink, that you're currently being played back? I'M embarrassed for YOU :-)

If I'm being played back, my hat is off to you all. Except that's not the case. And, you know it. :-)

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08/02/2015 07:31:06 PM · #481

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by Cory:
Lucie, you STILL haven't answered the very simple question I have posed to you a few times now.. I'm honestly starting to wonder if you have any capacity for thought at all, outside of trolling that is.

The question being why do I eat meat if I don't believe in killing for fun? (assuming that's the "question"):

--- I was raised eating meat. It's part of my lifestyle. The meat I eat wasn't slaughtered as "sport".
--- To my mind, no one in 2015 needs to kill their food, so when they do, it's because they enjoy killing (also known as "hunting"...like Walter Palmer, and my nephew, Eric)
--- When someone needs to brag about their hunts (as many of you have done), one wonders why you have to brag. I figure it's the same reason that Jericho needs to kill Cecil's cubs.
--- ummmm....anything else? It's really pretty simple. Why don't you understand??

Well, finally. Thank you.

So, let's take these one at a time.

-I was raised hunting, it's a part of my lifestyle (or was, perhaps not as much today). The meat I eat from these endeavors wasn't tortured before being slaughtered. Additionally, I was raised to hate faggots and niggers (my mother is a lovely woman , you'd probably like her), clearly not everything we are raised to believe is correct.

-To my mind, you're not only wrong, you fail to explain why enjoyment is evil? Do you eat food you enjoy? Like getting banged? Perhaps you should re-evaluate what exactly you object to here, as you're certainly not showing a great deal of consistency in your ethical/moral system.

-Well, I thought I was explaining, not bragging, but I suppose I shouldn't expect you to understand how that works, so I'll explain the difference: I didn't post photos of me buried up to my neck in dead rodents, nor do I expect anyone to be particularly impressed. In fact, if I WAS bragging, I'd tell you just how much profit I made doing that, and point out that 99% of it was done with a bow and arrow (not because I'm macho, but because firing guns within city limits is generally frowned upon, not to mention that much of this was done in close proximity to VERY expensive horses). As a final point on your amazing depth of ignorance, it's more likely that Jericho will actually DEFEND Cecil's cubs, as not only are they of his bloodline, but it's probable that some are, in fact, his offspring.

-The only thing that seems to be simple in this debate is you. Although, it follows that I'm not surprised you don't understand.

..

And finally, you STILL failed to explain what your ethical/moral reasoning here is. At least attempt to use semi-formal logic please, instead of this disjointed rambling.

"Why is it ok for you to eat industrialized meat, if by your own measure, killing any living being for pleasure is wrong."
(Please note that you can easily live without eating meat, no matter what behaviors you were raised with, so effectively you're paying someone to torture and kill innocent animals for your unnecessary pleasure)

I guess after reading my somewhat brutal dis-assembly of your manure, it's pretty obvious why you were so resistant to the request.

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GeneralE

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08/02/2015 07:33:10 PM · #482

Originally posted by Luciemac:

--- I was raised eating meat. It's part of my lifestyle. The meat I eat wasn't slaughtered as "sport".
--- To my mind, no one in 2015 needs to kill their food...

Someone needs to kill your food, which you seem to "enjoy" consuming, so aren't you "enjoying" the death of those animals as much as anyone who takes personal responsibility for the death themselves? Unless the only meat you eat is roadkill you are as ethically responsible for the death of the animal as any deer or duck (not "trophy") hunter.

And besides, how do you know the state of mind of those whose job is slaughter, unless you've personally interviewed them all ...?

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08/02/2015 07:42:47 PM · #483

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Luciemac:
And, it continues..... (to my great pleasure and entertainment).....[[won't you PLEASE learn you're being PLAYED?? It's starting to get embarrassing]]

And when will YOU acknowledge, perhaps with a sly wink, that you're currently being played back? I'M embarrassed for YOU :-)

If I'm being played back, my hat is off to you all. Except that's not the case. And, you know it. :-)

I'm thinking this might be a good idea, as I'm suspicious that your hat is about four sizes too small and cutting off blood-flow to your brain. Take it off, and come back in a few days after oxygen has been restored to your little gray cells.

bohemka

Nikon D700

08/02/2015 11:11:38 PM · #484

If you're ever stuck in an awkward Thanksgiving moment, just think of poor Eric.

NikonJeb

Nikon D850

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08/03/2015 07:02:40 AM · #485

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Lucie, I'M not talking about Dicks. Is that why you're ignoring me? I do acknowledge that you're intelligent and articulate, BTW; that's why you're so good at button-pushing, and I know damned well YOU know that's not the same as reasoned debate. Which is more-or-less why everyone's up in arms, which of course is what you're after, right? It's an art you're very skilled at, inflammatory button-pushing.

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Robert, I'm sorry you felt left out. We can certainly talk about your dick if you want to.

This is so typical of you at this point. You are such an unpleasant person. I'm not on the same page as Robert with the intelligent and articulate because all you've demonstrated from where I, and I would imagine others sit, is that you won't actually engage in reasoned debate. You seem to get your jollies insulting people and questioning their basic character. If in fact you are intelligent, and would actually have the capacity to have some decent discourse on this subject, then I don't see anything of who you are other than basically kind of mean.

Originally posted by Luciemac:

As far as reasoned debate: you can't HAVE reasoned debate with two such disparate points of view. Neither side sees anything TO debate. WE are "right", respectively. Period. End of debate.

You most certainly can have reasoned debate on the fundamental issue of hunting today as in days gone by, and how it's kind of hypocritical to eat meat and say that hunting is somehow wrong or unnecessary. You didn't actually address and debate any points with anyone. This subject isn't black and white. And not all gun owners are cut from the same cloth. Your lumping everyone into the mold you offer up is insulting, and the way that you presented it was offensive. You stated to us that your nephew is a bloodthirsty savage, and then proceeded to announce that all of us who own guns are just like him. Just plain wrong.

Originally posted by Luciemac:

One side (me) makes a completely legitimate point about the "immorality" (my subjective view) about killing for fun, which I think only a couple of you have admitted.

See, that's part of the problem. What's with the killing for fun thing? There's something to be said for the actual hunt itself, but most of us, and especially those of us here that don't actually do it for the kill, but for the food and the process involved. Fishing is a good example of what that means. Fishing is relaxing.......fly fishing is an art form. From making one's own flies to the dance of the line as you place the fly with your rod in that perfect arc where it lands gracefully in exactly the right spot......it's a thing of beauty. Going into the woods, tracking game, and the actual hunt is something that many people do enjoy. What makes you think that to us there is some sort of thrill at the actual cessation of a life?

As I stated before, I will eat fresh fish and game and have no compunction about doing so. What does bother me somewhat are the dozen or so calf boxes I drive past on the way to my gf's house. BUT......since I'll eat Veal Marsala, I don't spend a lot of time agonizing about it, or casting aspersions on the farmer who locks up the calves in a box for their short lives.

Originally posted by Luciemac:

The rest got defensive, outraged, insulted at having your manhood questioned, fired back with stuff about your rural lifestyle, my idiocy, my jerkiness, my ignorance of the real world, my hypocrisy, my hatred of men, my naivetÃ©, revulsion at the fact I might enjoy your photos, but wouldn't be allowed to view them in Real Life because I might hurt someone.....it's like watching those snarling cartoons of kangaroos on their hind legs wearing boxing gloves and jumping around like crickets. Pretty funny from this side of the fence. :-D

Yes, we got defensive and outraged at being put in the same category as YOUR kin.......what a vile thought! You repeatedly demonstrated that your view of the world is encapsulated in a very narrow and misinformed area, and you didn't seem to want to entertain the idea that maybe some of us have differing views that we offered up to you for consideration. We questioned your outrageous claims, and your anti-gun rhetoric, yet your answer to everything seemed always to go back to your referencing our penis size. How is that anything but at the least exasperation, and at the most infuriating?

Manhood is not measured by the length of one's penis. It has to do with personal character, integrity, and the strength to be caring and giving as well as sheer physical strength and prowess. These are facts that were taught to me by my mother. Somehow I don't think she would have thought much of you.

I read this quote years ago and was intrigued by the concept. I can't say that I can do all that the man calls out, but I'd like to think that the basic idea is how I've tried to be as a man, and more importantly as a human being.

How would you stack up on this list?

Originally posted by Robert Heinlein:

A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.

Originally posted by Luciemac:

But, yes, Robert: I know EXACTLY how to button-push and I usually know EXACTLY how certain peeps will respond. You didn't disappoint! Men who share my particular POV will respond a certain way, too. Men are usually just that: men. That's not at all an insult, btw....when I said love men, I meant it.

I think you know very little of men........or at least civilized and decent men.

08/03/2015 07:11:09 AM · #486

Originally posted by bohemka:

If you're ever stuck in an awkward Thanksgiving moment, just think of poor Eric.

Poor Eric: always proudly provides fresh venison for Thanksgiving. My brother sometimes shoots the turkey. They know how I feel and that I won't eat it out of principle.

The only awkwardness occurs when he posts FB pics of himself grinning (like Palmer) over a bloody carcass. All the comments will read: "Congrats!" "So proud of you!" "That's a beautiful animal!" and I'll respond with: "It WAS a beautiful animal. Now it's dead." or "Looks like you're really proud and happy over killing that deer"......... and, then it starts......the sputtering, the insults, the name-calling, the protestations that it's NECESSARY! My fave comeback: "Obama-loving idiot!"

Any of that look familiar? Think any of it will stop me having my say, which is no more or less valid than yours? "Please continue, Governor".

08/03/2015 08:10:56 AM · #487

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by bohemka:
If you're ever stuck in an awkward Thanksgiving moment, just think of poor Eric.

Poor Eric: always proudly provides fresh venison for Thanksgiving. My brother sometimes shoots the turkey. They know how I feel and that I won't eat it out of principle.

The only awkwardness occurs when he posts FB pics of himself grinning (like Palmer) over a bloody carcass. All the comments will read: "Congrats!" "So proud of you!" "That's a beautiful animal!" and I'll respond with: "It WAS a beautiful animal. Now it's dead." or "Looks like you're really proud and happy over killing that deer"......... and, then it starts......the sputtering, the insults, the name-calling, the protestations that it's NECESSARY! My fave comeback: "Obama-loving idiot!"

Any of that look familiar? Think any of it will stop me having my say, which is no more or less valid than yours? "Please continue, Governor".

I think what is obvious is that you lack decorum and respect for others, and think yourself quite a bit better than others.

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08/03/2015 09:12:56 AM · #488

Originally posted by Cory:

I think what is obvious is that you lack decorum and respect for others, and think yourself quite a bit better than others.

I was just thinking the same about you! Difference is, I don't hold grudges or believe you don't have the right to your own opinion. Time to graduate out of Romper Room.

RayEthier

Canon EOS-5D Mark II

08/03/2015 10:29:48 AM · #489

Originally posted by Luciemac:

....then it starts......the sputtering, the insults, the name-calling, the protestations that it's NECESSARY! My fave comeback: "Obama-loving idiot!"

Any of that look familiar? Think any of it will stop me having my say, which is no more or less valid than yours? "Please continue, Governor".

Yes that does look very familiar and those activities (other than the reference to Obama), reside exclusively with you.

You most definitely can have your say, but sadly, just as Don Quixote demonstrated, tilting at windmills does nothing to alleviate the problem at hand. All you have managed to do thus far is to totally alienate a group of people that could have been your allies. There are many in this venue that would like to see more stringent controls over the issuance of firearms, but sadly, your hatred towards hunters affected your perception and you failed to recognize that very fact, opting instead to cast aspersions on their character.

Your constant attempts at belittling others and crude references to their manhood seems (from this man's perspective) to be your attempt at deflecting the issue and silence those who would dare attempt to offer any form of informed counter.

I look at your actions in this regard and am reminded of the comments made by Mahatma Ghandi when he said:

"An eye for eye only ends up making the whole world blind."

Rather sad that.

Ray

blindjustice

Canon EOS-7D

Canon EF 17-40mm f/4.0L USM

08/03/2015 10:46:36 AM · #490

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by Cory:
I think what is obvious is that you lack decorum and respect for others, and think yourself quite a bit better than others.

I was just thinking the same about you! Difference is, I don't hold grudges or believe you don't have the right to your own opinion. Time to graduate out of Romper Room.

Its funny- with these threads- no one ever converts or changes any minds or opinions, it just goes on until someone yells foul. Those who insultand grind others down most subtly win- and in doing so, those with reasoned stances look foolish, and fanatics appear wise and calm.

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08/03/2015 10:55:41 AM · #491

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Originally posted by Luciemac:

Originally posted by Cory:
I think what is obvious is that you lack decorum and respect for others, and think yourself quite a bit better than others.

I was just thinking the same about you! Difference is, I don't hold grudges or believe you don't have the right to your own opinion. Time to graduate out of Romper Room.

Its funny- with these threads- no one ever converts or changes any minds or opinions, it just goes on until someone yells foul. Those who insultand grind others down most subtly win- and in doing so, those with reasoned stances look foolish, and fanatics appear wise and calm.

That's really not fair at all. I have most certainly shifted position on gun control via these threads, perhaps not nearly so much as some would like, but the fact is that I do always reserve the right to change my opinion, and these threads are often a source of small shifts in my thinking. And, I'm pretty certain I'm not the only one who enjoys seeing things from another's perspective.

Now in terms of Lucie - she clearly hasn't been discussing or debating, she's just playing the troll game - so it's a bit insulting that you'd throw me into the same bucket as her, but you are entitled to your views.

--

And Lucie, again, you are just plain wrong - you have ALL the right in the world to your opinion, but just because you have an opinion, don't expect me to not ask you to justify or explain it. I feel that is the price you need to pay if you'd like to have me actually care about what you have to say.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

08/03/2015 11:50:00 AM · #492

Originally posted by blindjustice:

Its funny- with these threads- no one ever converts or changes any minds or opinions, it just goes on until someone yells foul.

Actually, not so! I've had several people tell me they had changed their minds on an issue after such forum discussions, and that's not even considering the silent readers following along as we sling facts, opinions, myths and rubber chickens. This thread went off the rails into a shouting match over the ethics of hunting, though, which is both a separate issue and not so absolute. Pretty much everything we eat must be killed, and hunting is arguably among the more humane methods. While the days of unrestricted hunting are behind us (albeit too late for the passenger pigeons), and trophies are better shot with a Canon, there ARE valid reasons to shoot wild animals that you don't intend to eat. Burmese pythons in Florida spring to mind.

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08/03/2015 01:13:39 PM · #493

"Its funny- with these threads- no one ever converts or changes any minds or opinions, it just goes on until someone yells foul. Those who insultand grind others down most subtly win- and in doing so, those with reasoned stances look foolish, and fanatics appear wise and calm."

You're not the least bit "blind", Mr. Justice. Thanks for being a thoughtful and observant adult. You couldn't be more right.

" I feel that is the price you need to pay if you'd like to have me actually care about what you have to say. "

I DID answer your questions, and neither did I CARE or EXPECT you to "care what I have to say" (so, no "price" paid and you did exactly what I expected you to do) :-) But, since you need to "win".....please continue, Cory.

bohemka

Nikon D700

08/03/2015 01:20:14 PM · #494

Hoping to establish moral preeminence, I adopted a roadkill diet back in the '90s. Bit gamey, oily, but for years I was the purest in any room I walked into. Then there was a rather unfortunate dental accident involving some license plate fragments. So it's mostly tomato soup for me these days, and -- when I pop in my prosthetic jaw -- chicken wings, which I believe are processed in massive conveyor-belt-lined warehouses without an ounce of emotion on anyone's part, so my moral supremacy remains largely intact.

What are you vile lot having for lunch today?

RayEthier

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08/03/2015 01:21:54 PM · #495

Originally posted by Luciemac:

"Its funny- with these threads- no one ever converts or changes any minds or opinions, it just goes on until someone yells foul. Those who insult and grind others down most subtly win- and in doing so, those with reasoned stances look foolish, and fanatics appear wise and calm."

You're not the least bit "blind", Mr. Justice. Thanks for being a thoughtful and observant adult. You couldn't be more right.

I guess in your twisted perception of reality you are of the opinion that this is directed at others rather than you. Truly none are so deaf as those that will not hear, and none so blind as those that will not see.

Ray

08/03/2015 01:36:28 PM · #496

Originally posted by Luciemac:

SMH. You couldn't be more difficult. I'm honestly trying to understand why you feel free to impugn other while engaging in equivalent (or ethically worse) behaviors. You didn't actually answer the question I was asking, you just spouted some more bullshit that didn't address your ethical system at all. Again, I once more invite you to justify your position with some sort of actual logic, not weak justification based upon personal bias.

Of course, just like a few other folks here, I'm starting to consider you as not worth the trouble. A good debate and exchange of ideas is a great thing, trolls just suck the life out of that though. And whether or not you actually realize it (you claim to realize this, ie, "playing us like a violin"), you are in fact acting the part of the troll here. Surely not a position I'd wish to play.

FWIW, I think you could still back up and engage in an adult manner, but the chances of that are probably not great. I'll reserve my final judgement for now, but consider this notice that I'm seriously considering just ignoring you. (and that would be a first here, after 7 years here, so that's pretty egregious).

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08/03/2015 01:37:23 PM · #497

Originally posted by bohemka:

Subway 6" veggie sub. Couldn't take the guilt. :)

08/03/2015 04:40:01 PM · #498

Originally posted by bohemka:

What are you vile lot having for lunch today?

I dunno, but I know I'm raising a toast to you. :-)