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10/06/2004 05:37:29 PM · #76 |
Ah yes but, in your example you said Take a picture of the broken bottle thinking that because some is missing it fits the challenge.
If some is missing it must only be part of it, yes?
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10/06/2004 05:54:02 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by Blackdog:
Ah yes but, in your example you said Take a picture of the broken bottle thinking that because some is missing it fits the challenge.
If some is missing it must only be part of it, yes? |
NO! Look at the full example and you will see I did not say that. Here is what I said:
Example:
Subject: Broken Bottle
Wrong interpretation: Take a picture of the broken bottle thinking that because some is missing it fits the challenge.
Right interpretation: Take a picture the jagged edges of the broken bottle would meet the challenge.
[Thinking a broken bottle would meet the challenge is wrong because isn't the broken bottle your subject. Therefore you have taken a picture of your complete subject. But if you take a picture of the jagged edges of your broken bottle then you have meet the challenge].
Just my opinion and 2 cents!
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10/06/2004 06:02:45 PM · #78 |
ok, I'll have to be careful to read the challenge properly.
For now got to sleep, work early tomorrow....is it worth it (quick look at my 300D), yes it is!
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10/06/2004 06:05:21 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Blackdog:
ok, I'll have to be careful to read the challenge properly.
For now got to sleep, work early tomorrow....is it worth it (quick look at my 300D), yes it is! |
Take care! Thanks for your input as well.
scott |
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10/06/2004 06:35:57 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by laurielblack:
It happened... I got a "doesn't meet the challenge" comment. On a shot that is so OBVIOUSLY "part" of a whole of something that it's almost ludicrous. I find it humorous more than anything. Anyone else care to join me in maniacal laughter??????
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Shame on you laurielblack. How dare you enter a photo that doesn't meet the challenge, can't you see that your photo clearly doesn't meet the challenge in a hundred different ways. Shame, Shame, Shame!!!
* Just joking Laurie * |
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10/06/2004 07:03:07 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by pearcer:
Originally posted by laurielblack:
It happened... I got a "doesn't meet the challenge" comment. On a shot that is so OBVIOUSLY "part" of a whole of something that it's almost ludicrous. I find it humorous more than anything. Anyone else care to join me in maniacal laughter??????
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Shame on you laurielblack. How dare you enter a photo that doesn't meet the challenge, can't you see that your photo clearly doesn't meet the challenge in a hundred different ways. Shame, Shame, Shame!!!
* Just joking Laurie * |
Well my 4.5 score for the one of my best entries tells me that I am experiencing the same thing. I know what I did wrong . . . I forgot to use the word PART in the title! Maybe we need to add a info box to the challenge entry page that will allow us to explain in great detail how we FOLLOWED THE CHALLENGE TO THE T! :) |
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10/06/2004 07:08:46 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Well my 4.5 score for the one of my best entries tells me that I am experiencing the same thing. I know what I did wrong . . . I forgot to use the word PART in the title! Maybe we need to add a info box to the challenge entry page that will allow us to explain in great detail how we FOLLOWED THE CHALLENGE TO THE T! :) |
I am in the same boat--I really like my entry, it's full frame (not cropped), sharp good colors, taken with my new L lens, didn't do anything to it but reduce ... and of course, it's sinking like the titanic (around 4.8 now). Just when you think it can't go lower, it does. When I check I've seen lots of 2's go by. How can you get a 2 for something that meets the challenge and is technically sharp. It may not be something that pops for everyone, but that's what 4 is for, not 2.
So somewhere there's some interpretation like: this shot is an afterthought, cropped from a bigger shot, etc. Which it isn't! |
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10/06/2004 07:33:31 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
Originally posted by dartompkins:
Well my 4.5 score for the one of my best entries tells me that I am experiencing the same thing. I know what I did wrong . . . I forgot to use the word PART in the title! Maybe we need to add a info box to the challenge entry page that will allow us to explain in great detail how we FOLLOWED THE CHALLENGE TO THE T! :) |
I am in the same boat--I really like my entry, it's full frame (not cropped), sharp good colors, taken with my new L lens, didn't do anything to it but reduce ... and of course, it's sinking like the titanic (around 4.8 now). Just when you think it can't go lower, it does. When I check I've seen lots of 2's go by. How can you get a 2 for something that meets the challenge and is technically sharp. It may not be something that pops for everyone, but that's what 4 is for, not 2.
So somewhere there's some interpretation like: this shot is an afterthought, cropped from a bigger shot, etc. Which it isn't! |
I don't see a problem with an image that has been cropped as long as the original image does not show the complete subject. Comments???
Also remember some voter̢۪s tag an image first then goes back and adjust the scores later. So you may see the averages go up. With a lot of entries I believe some if not most voters are putting images in three categories; Does not meet challenge, Somewhat meets challenge, Yes it meets the challenge. Then go back [maybe on another day] and then vote on the picture quality and technique.
Just my 2 cents.
Message edited by author 2004-10-06 19:40:12. |
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10/06/2004 08:32:56 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by taterbug:
I find this a bit disturbing. Are we going out of our way to find reasons to vote down photos? |
Going from a 6.0 for the first hour and nearly my lowest score ever now I've decided to turn off my scores. |
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10/06/2004 08:45:15 PM · #85 |
I submitted my face and then someone asking "where is the part?". Should I need to submit my "private parts" to satisfy or convince her this is the part of my body???
Maybe we are all experiencing presidential poll syndromes here... |
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10/06/2004 08:47:21 PM · #86 |
well ... in 28 challenges I've only been under a 5 once ... and it looks like parts will be number 2 :)
oddly, it's one of my best submissions ... i must be loosing my mind. |
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10/06/2004 09:07:33 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by hopper:
well ... in 28 challenges I've only been under a 5 once ... and it looks like parts will be number 2 :)
oddly, it's one of my best submissions ... i must be loosing my mind. |
I think that the sight is quickly developing a huge need for some sort of official key or guidelines to people to use in the voting. I know we have all seen a million suggestions for scoring methodology. I think maybe it would help if there were a DPC site accepted format 10 = technically perfect, grabs your attention, etc. 1 = technically awful, says nothing, etc.
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10/06/2004 09:13:33 PM · #88 |
Funny thing is, it's not us submitting and some other group voting. It's us who are submitting and voting. I don't think that there needs to be an acepted format. It's just upto to the users participating to make it worthwile.
I thought I had a strong entry and it's doing pretty bad - yes the usual scenario.
But I also know that the mojority of the people who are voting my entry are people who have their own work in the challenge.
Do we need guidelines? We already have. I think what we really need is appreciation (not because mine is doing so bad). |
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10/06/2004 09:17:14 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by xion:
Funny thing is, it's not us submitting and some other group voting. It's us who are submitting and voting. I don't think that there needs to be an acepted format. It's just upto to the users participating to make it worthwile.
I thought I had a strong entry and it's doing pretty bad - yes the usual scenario.
But I also know that the mojority of the people who are voting my entry are people who have their own work in the challenge.
Do we need guidelines? We already have. I think what we really need is appreciation (not because mine is doing so bad). |
How about this for solving the large number of entries and the possible voting problem: if you enter a challenge, you may not vote in it?
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10/06/2004 09:42:43 PM · #90 |
I don't know how it would work in an open challenge where there are over 400 entries. End up with 400 submissions and 50 votes perhaps? I don't know the real figures - haven't tried to figure it out.
One of the arguments here is that some of the people who vote don't really have an uderstanding or interest in visual communication or photography or anything along those lines. At least the people who enter the challenges and vote are interested. I don't really know. What I know is that the winning images are pretty good. I guess it boils down to how we see our own work. |
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10/06/2004 10:51:03 PM · #91 |
I have moved my suggestion to another thread hoping for more feedback. Please see this thread
Message edited by author 2004-10-07 00:07:03. |
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10/06/2004 11:06:50 PM · #92 |
I think those suggestions are well thought out and they make sense.
1. I definitely agree with this one. Why have people voting on the photos who are not actively participating in submitting them...or don't even own a camera?
2. I've been guilty of this, I'm sure...I now don't care as much about scoring well and feel pretty good about voting on the photos based on a scale I've adopted. This is something that I had to work through to decide how to set my scale.
3. Um...I understand what you're saying, but I have to say that being able to view my score 'live' is part of what makes this such a great site.
Overall, I think number 1 is a great idea and should be done ASAP... |
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10/06/2004 11:07:12 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by SDW65:
3.Viewing your score: I believe you should not be able to view your score during a challenge, just comments. Replace the average with an [up arrow] if your average is on the rise and a [down arrow] if your average is on downward swing. Then at the end of the challenge the average scores are revealed. |
That's a great idea! It would also diminish the number of people who spend their monday and tuesday nights glued to the computer, clicking the update button. Give their lives back! :) |
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10/06/2004 11:18:23 PM · #94 |
Originally posted by letenele:
Originally posted by SDW65:
3.Viewing your score: I believe you should not be able to view your score during a challenge, just comments. Replace the average with an [up arrow] if your average is on the rise and a [down arrow] if your average is on downward swing. Then at the end of the challenge the average scores are revealed. |
That's a great idea! It would also diminish the number of people who spend their monday and tuesday nights glued to the computer, clicking the update button. Give their lives back! :) |
I would very much miss seeing the changes in the score, but I have to say you have a very valid point and a solution that makes sense. |
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10/07/2004 08:06:23 AM · #95 |
My score dropped to 5.11 from 5.3xx overnight and my photo still hasn't been officially validated...It'll be very interesting to see if my score takes a bit of an upwards trend once it says This photo has been validated. under my challenge entry...
What do you guys think? |
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10/07/2004 08:26:50 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by nshapiro:
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How about this for solving the large number of entries and the possible voting problem: if you enter a challenge, you may not vote in it? |
This is the most sensible solution to the voting issue. Human nature is such that everyone would like to win. But, you can't win if someone scores higher than you...;-) I now only vote in challenges I don't enter.
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10/07/2004 08:32:17 AM · #97 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
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How about this for solving the large number of entries and the possible voting problem: if you enter a challenge, you may not vote in it? |
This is the most sensible solution to the voting issue. Human nature is such that everyone would like to win. But, you can't win if someone scores higher than you...;-) I now only vote in challenges I don't enter. |
No, this isn't the most sensible solution...
Those who enter every challenge could never vote. Those who enter most challenges, would rarely vote.
Essentially, the "regulars" on this site would be the ones not voting and the winners would be determined by those who regularly don't submit.
Completely nonsensical, in my (sometimes) humble opinion... |
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10/07/2004 08:43:24 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
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How about this for solving the large number of entries and the possible voting problem: if you enter a challenge, you may not vote in it? |
This is the most sensible solution to the voting issue. Human nature is such that everyone would like to win. But, you can't win if someone scores higher than you...;-) I now only vote in challenges I don't enter. |
No, this isn't the most sensible solution...
Those who enter every challenge could never vote. Those who enter most challenges, would rarely vote.
Essentially, the "regulars" on this site would be the ones not voting and the winners would be determined by those who regularly don't submit.
Completely nonsensical, in my (sometimes) humble opinion... |
Nonsensical? I find it refreshing to stay out of a challenge and take a longer, better look at images before I vote. I feel my vote is then fairer and more objective. The best judges are those who don't have a vested interest in the outcome. Is that nonsense? |
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10/07/2004 08:56:18 AM · #99 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Originally posted by nshapiro:
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How about this for solving the large number of entries and the possible voting problem: if you enter a challenge, you may not vote in it? |
This is the most sensible solution to the voting issue. Human nature is such that everyone would like to win. But, you can't win if someone scores higher than you...;-) I now only vote in challenges I don't enter. |
No, this isn't the most sensible solution...
Those who enter every challenge could never vote. Those who enter most challenges, would rarely vote.
Essentially, the "regulars" on this site would be the ones not voting and the winners would be determined by those who regularly don't submit.
Completely nonsensical, in my (sometimes) humble opinion... |
Well I for one don't participate in every challenge. And I do vote the one's I don't participate in.
I know people will grimace, but I have a secondary part of this solution, which changes everything, hopefully for the better:
1) There will be 4 challenges per two-week period (all at once unlike now).
2) Members may enter 2 challenges; non-members 1 challenge per two week period
3) You may only vote for challenges you don't enter
4) You may comment on any photo in any challenge
Compared to the way it is now, members will see four challenges every two weeks, and they can enter two of them, and vote for photos in the other two. Nonmembers will have two challenges, but are only eligible to enter one of them; the other they can vote on.
That means we have more choices each "biweekly" period, more time to shoot, but can enter only half as many challenges per week as we do now. The other half can be voted. All can be commented; more important anyway.
I know people will initially recoil from this, because they will get to participate in fewer challenges. On the plus side, you will have more time to decide and think about the challenge, and more time to shoot. There will be fewer entries per challenge to vote on, and you will spend less time voting, more time commenting, and more time photographing.
Message edited by author 2004-10-07 08:57:26. |
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10/07/2004 10:01:32 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by lenkphotos:
Nonsensical? I find it refreshing to stay out of a challenge and take a longer, better look at images before I vote. I feel my vote is then fairer and more objective. The best judges are those who don't have a vested interest in the outcome. Is that nonsense? |
I agree with everything you said. I'm saying it's nonsensical to regulate it so that everyone must follow your strategy as there are those who enter every challenge. |
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