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Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/06/2004 01:46:04 PM · #26

I find this a bit disturbing. Are we going out of our way to find reasons to vote down photos?
Since when does the cropping make a photo bad? Don't we use crop to increase the quality of the composition? That to me sounds just like saying "They must have used levels, or saturation or usm or post editing to improve the picture, it couldn't have looked that way originally." a) How can you tell how it was cropped ...and 2) so what? That's what editing is for, to improve the picture!

If it looked like someone found something and took a pic of part of it...THAT'S WHAT THE CHALLENGE IS !!! How the heck can you hold that against someone???

I can understand that the subject may be uninteresting, or a poor composition, or technically flawed (lighting, focus etc.) , but you certainly can't truly say it doesn't meet the challenge.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

10/06/2004 01:49:46 PM · #27

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by luv2photo:

Originally posted by sharvey:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
It looks like some people took a picture of the whole thing, then cropped it to include just a part!

That may be how it looks, but there's no way to tell, during voting, whether the picture was taken that way, or not. And, what difference does it make as long as only part of the subject is in the picture?
I would be careful not to vote a photo down because it could have been cropped to fit the challenge vs. it being taken that way.

Either way, it is part.

My photo looks as if it could be a cropped image, but it is not! If you choose to vote down a photo for that reason, I know I would like to know that's what you thought in your comments. I am hanging around the 5 mark and expected this one would have done better than any of my past photos.

If a photo looks this way, it doesn't matter if it was or wasn't taken that way.

What I mean is that the composition wasn't carefully thought about in the examples I'm thinking of. The thinking seemed to be "Hey, here's something. Hey, I could photograph a 'part' of it and it will fit the challenge".

Remember, I've only looked at a small fraction of the images...I'm just expanding on my comment below.

Edit: ...and I will try to comment on a good chunk of the pictures, but I'm not promising nothin'!

I don't understand this as a general statement. When you shoot a part of something larger, which I did, in a nonstudio environment, how can you not make it "look cropped". It's part of an object! In fact, my submission is full frame (exactly as shot, as planned for Parts). So with what you said in mind, I looked at it to see if anyone might think it was cropped. Assuming it has the right aspect ratio (which it does), and good resolution (well, it's very sharp without any additional sharpening applied), how in the world can you tell the difference between cropping the scene in the camera and in PS.

This gets me because I really got the pic I wanted, it's something I liked, my son gave it his approval, and it's struggling to stay above 5.

Canon EOS-60D

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

10/06/2004 01:52:38 PM · #28

It happened... I got a "doesn't meet the challenge" comment. On a shot that is so OBVIOUSLY "part" of a whole of something that it's almost ludicrous. I find it humorous more than anything. Anyone else care to join me in maniacal laughter??????

Nikon AF Nikkor 50mm f/1.8D

10/06/2004 01:58:38 PM · #29

Originally posted by laurielblack:

Mwu hahah hah eheee heheehee haaa heeh ahaaheheh !!!!!

From the beginning of this thread, it seemed people were thinking that this is almost a free study. Just about ANYTHING you take a picture of is part of something... again, How the heck can you NOT fit the challenge???!!!

rscorp

Nikon D70

10/06/2004 02:02:59 PM · #30

Listen everyone, just because my subject is a bit boring, poorly lit, ill-composed, not very well thought out AND cropped doesn't mean I should have a 4.9 average right now! I mean come on! :-)

aerogurl

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

10/06/2004 02:04:18 PM · #31

Originally posted by laurielblack:

same here Laurie. I am totally bummed about my scored of 4.7 so far. I opened a thread a while back about Studio vs. Candid because I was getting such bad scores from my Candid shots, well this shot was a Studio shot. I thought about this one long and hard. I even used a great deal of DOF and shot it at a nice angle. Then I'm told in some comments that "I do not meet the challenge" and it SO DOES meet the challenge and also that my image is "out of focus", Duh, its DOF! I dunno, Im just so bummed out about it... :o(

Canon EF-S 55-250mm f/4-5.6 IS

10/06/2004 02:28:53 PM · #32

Laurie and aerogurl, perhaps you have misintrepreted the challenge. You see, it meant to take a picture of a small shiny metal object, obviously a piece of a larger machine thingy. In fact, it has to be a wing nut! It should be against a solid black background, with nothing else showing and should be no more and no less than 2-3 feet from the lens at a hight of 3.5 - 4 feet from the ground. Lighting should be from the right top and only one shadow allowed (if any). Extra points if taken thursday between 6:37 and 7:09 pm. This is the correct intrepretation and the only one that could even possibly be correct, so if this isn't your shot, than you don't fit the challenge and consider yourself lucky that the voting scale only goes as low as 1.

(disclaimor: this is only a sarcastic example, I don't think I recall any shots in the challenge that are actually like this, no offense to anyone or any shots intended)

Canon EOS-60D

10/06/2004 02:30:32 PM · #33

Crap... there's the whole problem then. I missed that memo. Thanks for clarifying for me, dear!!! :o)

10/06/2004 02:32:40 PM · #34

Easy there, nshapiro and taterbug...read my post again. I knew someone would make a big deal out of nothin'!

nshapiro, you said "I don't understand this as a general statement."

Good! It wasn't intended as a 'general statement', which I tried to make painfully clear by stating "What I mean is that the composition wasn't carefully thought about in the examples I'm thinking of" and "Remember, I've only looked at a small fraction of the images...I'm just expanding on my comment below"...

Sheesh!

Edit: My point? I was speaking of a few select images.

Message edited by author 2004-10-06 14:33:18.

10/06/2004 02:32:55 PM · #35

Originally posted by laurielblack:

Crap... there's the whole problem then. I missed that memo. Thanks for clarifying for me, dear!!! :o)

You are quite welcome! Glad to be of assistance. ;-)

10/06/2004 02:40:35 PM · #36

Hey, I just saw that I'm being asked for my original for proof...that's a compliment, right?

All I did was clone out a few dust spots! ;0)

aerogurl

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

10/06/2004 02:41:55 PM · #37

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Hey, I just saw that I'm being asked for my original for proof...that's a compliment, right?

All I did was clone out a few dust spots! ;0)

cloning is NOT allowed in an open challenge. Right?

EDIT: Yup, I'm right, "Spot-Editing: Absolutely no spot-editing is allowed. This includes, but is not limited to drawing tools, dodging/bluring tools, and cloning tools."

Message edited by author 2004-10-06 14:43:11.

10/06/2004 02:43:38 PM · #38

I say he was kidding about the spots :)
Well you can take it as a compliment. But the sad truth is it does hurt your score no matter what the rule say on how to vote.

10/06/2004 02:43:54 PM · #39

Originally posted by aerogurl:

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Hey, I just saw that I'm being asked for my original for proof...that's a compliment, right?

All I did was clone out a few dust spots! ;0)

cloning is NOT allowed in an open challenge. Right?

EDIT: Yup, I'm right, "Spot-Editing: Absolutely no spot-editing is allowed. This includes, but is not limited to drawing tools, dodging/bluring tools, and cloning tools."

Yeah, I was just kidding about the cloning! So, now can I consider it a compliment?

*wink* ;0)

aerogurl

Nikon AF-S Nikkor 18-55mm f/3.5-5.6G DX VR

10/06/2004 02:44:41 PM · #40

I would :o) of course I got asked that back in the rust challenge, and my photo scored like 4.xx LOL

10/06/2004 02:45:12 PM · #41

Originally posted by xion:

I say he was kidding about the spots :)
Well you can take it as a compliment. But the sad truth is it does hurt your score no matter what the rule say on how to vote.

Oh crap, yeah...well at least I can keep repeating that to myself as my score hovers around 5.3 - I figure I should add at least 2.5 to my score in my mind due to people doubting the validity, right?

Another wink ;0)

10/06/2004 02:46:26 PM · #42

Sure. you should actaully be at 8 if you didn't mention the spots :D

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

10/06/2004 02:48:30 PM · #43

Originally posted by xion:

Sure. you should actaully be at 8 if you didn't mention the spots :D

Would someone just give me the blue ribbon and get this over with? It would save 445 people a lot of heartache this week!

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

10/06/2004 02:53:19 PM · #44

Originally posted by thatcloudthere:

Originally posted by xion:
Sure. you should actaully be at 8 if you didn't mention the spots :D

Would someone just give me the blue ribbon and get this over with? It would save 445 people a lot of heartache this week!

If everyone else's score is dropping like mine, you might just get the blue ribbon with 5.3.

10/06/2004 02:55:00 PM · #45

Originally posted by nshapiro:

If everyone else's score is dropping like mine, you might just get the blue ribbon with 5.3.

So let's just start petitioning the SC to give me the ribbon a few days early...

Agreed?

It would only be fair, because...um...uh...well, you know...um...Agreed?

10/06/2004 02:55:11 PM · #46

Well, you will have to survive the DQ request fisrt :)
edit: excuse the typos: making dinner and posting in forums don't mix well.

Message edited by author 2004-10-06 14:56:17.

10/06/2004 03:01:12 PM · #47

Are people ever DQ'd despite being adamant that they stayed within the guidelines?

10/06/2004 03:02:48 PM · #48

You always see some people ask questions about why they were disqualified despite receiving an email explaining why.

10/06/2004 03:10:03 PM · #49

But I can trust that my photo will be okay as long as I stayed within the guidelines, right?