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02/06/2003 05:27:12 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Jak:
I think all Canadian entries should receive 35% extra points to eliminate the difference in exchange rate. I also think we should get another, say, 20% to account for the extra coldness up here. |
Agreed!!!! But we do have better beer, so maybe we should reduce our "extra points" by 5.5% for alcohol content. |
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02/06/2003 05:27:20 PM · #77 |
And you have to give back 5% because your money is so much prettier than ours. As are most cities...
Message edited by author 2003-02-06 17:27:46. |
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02/06/2003 06:02:08 PM · #78 |
My uncle sent me this cartoon, noting that he and my mom were thinkling about moving to Canada.
Save Room In The Oxcart For Me! |
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02/06/2003 06:46:19 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by timj351:
I am also very much against displaying the image data. What does that have to do with the photo? It will serve to influence the voters and probably would help certain photos to recieve extra sympathy votes from people who admire what was accomplished with an inexpensive camera or vice versa to allow unethical voters to lower their votes for photos taken with more expensive cameras. Even without the actual model of the camera differences in the quality of cameras could be determined by examining the data. I just think that any additional information could only serve to sway the vote in some way which creates unfairness.
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I agree with pretty much the rest of what you said, but would still like to know some of the fundamental info, on aperture/ shutter/ ISO. It would help some people maybe make more informed comments |
I do understand your point, Paul, however, if the F-stops, shutter speed, and ISO were given for each photo it would still not mean as much because we wouldn't know what camera the information is relative to. If a voter were to comment on an F-stop setting, for example, he would have to assume that he knew what F-stops were available on the camera used. I would not want such assumptions, instead I would rather get concrete opinions such as, the photo is underexposed or, a narrower depth of field would improve this photo. Then if I didn't know how to fix these problems I could go into the help sections and tutorials to find the answers or discuss it in the forums. So, since I think it is a bad idea to provide the camera model I also think it is a bad idea to provide the image data because they are relative to each other.
T
Message edited by author 2003-02-06 18:47:15.
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02/06/2003 06:51:41 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by irae:
BTW, what's the name of that short story where the talented people are forced to wear various hobbles and encumbrances so that they remain the equals of everyone else? |
I'm not sure but I think it is "The History of Liberal America" |
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02/06/2003 07:10:04 PM · #81 |
Actually, it was "Harrison Bergeron", by Kurt Vonnegut. Thanks, Google. Here's a synopsis for our conservative friends.
//www.sptimes.com/News/121999/Perspective/The_high_cost_of_equa.shtml
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02/06/2003 08:19:34 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by Jak:
I think all Canadian entries should receive 35% extra points to eliminate the difference in exchange rate. I also think we should get another, say, 20% to account for the extra coldness up here. |
I think people with less free time should get extra points. There's a lot of evidence that shows that lack of time to spend doing photography adversely affects score. Since I only seem to be able to devote about, oh, ten minutes a week to photography these days, I think I should get like 5 extra points for each challenge I manage to submit a photo.
;-)
Back when I had my Fuji, I was real frustrated not being able to control DoF, shutter, etc. Then I got my G2 and I was all happy for a while. Just recently, I went to an event and took a bunch of low-light pictures that came out all grainy. Then I thought "Man, I really need a D60 now" :-)
Kimbly <- needs to get back to studying. |
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02/06/2003 11:04:48 PM · #83 |
let's get serious for a minute ...
how many points off do we give pictures of cats, babies, and flowers?
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02/06/2003 11:16:07 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by spiderman:
let's get serious for a minute ...
how many points off do we give pictures of cats, babies, and flowers? |
One fewer than you give for having no time to take photos because you are trying to nurse in the vet's waiting room, where they're pumping the flowers out of your cat's stomach... |
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02/07/2003 12:29:46 AM · #85 |
Originally posted by irae:
Originally posted by lisae:
Well, two photographers with really crap cameras who I admire are Gracechild7 and Arachnophilia. I think they deserve recognition for what they achieve despite their equipment, and I don't think they should be discouraged from participating in this big old popularity contest. |
OT:
Why do you keep saying this? In what way is DPC a popularity contest? |
Sorry I didn't get back to you, but it was late at night in my timezone so I went to bed :).
I just mean that the results are decided by popular vote, so in that respect it's a popularity contest (for photos, not for people). How well you use your camera isn't as big an issue here as how well you push people's buttons with your subject matter. Your photo has to be technically good as well to get the high votes among the people who know what photography is all about, but as I saw with my "Sigh..." photo, you can get a pretty decent score with a crap photo that captures people's imaginations. This photo, which came 4th in the "Fear" challenge, was apparently that woman's first ever "serious" photo, most probably taken all on automatic settings. But it scored very high despite a lot of technical criticism in its comments because of its highly emotive content.
So all this talk about having to be a good photographer sometimes seems a bit overblown to me. Popular opinion reigns, and it is generally in favour of meaningful photos. A certain level of image quality is acceptable, below which you will generally suffer. A certain level of artistry is acceptable, but if you go too far with shallow DOF or some funky zoom effect, you will generally suffer. A certain level of creativity is acceptable, but if you push too many boundaries and go into shocking or disturbing territory, you will generally suffer. |
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02/07/2003 02:00:00 AM · #86 |
| I hear that, Little Sister. Big hug. |
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02/07/2003 02:28:00 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by magnetic9999:
IT'S NOT THE CAMERA, IT'S THE PERSON BEHIND IT!!!! :):) |
I went to a photography class and the guy giving the class said, "If someone looks at one of your photo's and says, 'What a great photo, you must have an expensive camera.' you should be insulted."
Just the same with digital photography, I've seen some awesome photographs taken with those cheap throw away cameras. |
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02/07/2003 02:32:29 AM · #88 |
The guy teaching that class must be a complete amateur. If someone attributes your good photograph to your expensive camera, you shouldn't be insulted. You should wangle an invitiation to dinner at their house. Afterwards, you should burp, stretch and say, "Wow. That was a terrific meal. You must have excellent pots & pans." ;-)
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02/07/2003 02:38:35 AM · #89 |
hah.. that was great irae.. i needed that.. it's almost 4 am, and i still have more work to do for tomorrow..*sigh*
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02/07/2003 02:58:00 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by irae:
The guy teaching that class must be a complete amateur. If someone attributes your good photograph to your expensive camera, you shouldn't be insulted. You should wangle an invitiation to dinner at their house. Afterwards, you should burp, stretch and say, "Wow. That was a terrific meal. You must have excellent pots & pans." ;-) |
hahaha that's great. |
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