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06/03/2015 11:32:00 AM · #101 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
One of the reasons I walked away from the site for a couple of years was the rule sets which I found too limiting and felt that I couldn't progress with post processing as I was constantly concerned with the legalities.
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This is a thought I just don't understand. In my life, DPC is something fun that I ALSO do with my camera, it's not the ONLY thing I do with my camera. The only thing stopping you from progressing with post processing is yourself. Unless challenges are the only thing you shoot for there is no reason they should stop you from learning.
For instance, I found something I really wanted to do in PS, I practiced with it, learned it and waited for an expert challenge to use it, it didn't stop me from learning it while I waited. |
Excellent point. Some people seem to think that somehow DPC is stifling their creativity but it's not as if a shot you enter on DPC is the absolute final version of that shot. Do a DPC version and then do a version for yourself that is more processed. Hell, you can even show it off here.
I've recently started building a website on wix.com and have been shooting some stuff and processing some stuff just for my site. DPC doesn't have to be the extent of your photography life. |
True, & valid. It's the idea that if you don't like it at dpc, well the door is right over there, don't let it hit your fanny on the way out. And people are. I don't know what's wrong with me, for some reason I still read threads like this, I still comment. I need professional help, I guess! |
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06/03/2015 11:33:33 AM · #102 |
I'm back from vacay and just wanted to briefly weigh in. Had I been here I would also have voted to DQ. In the simplest terms, this image was a composite. HDR allows for changes in exposure, and includes "ghost" removal at the time of merging. But not a change of camera position horizontally and/or vertically (both in this case).
That said, it's a gorgeous photo. |
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06/03/2015 11:58:12 AM · #103 |
It's time to reiterate and make one thing perfectly clear: these two source images are NOT "nearly identical". Not even close to it. They are similar in that each contains the flowers, the hills, the tree, the sunset sky, but that's as far as it goes. The cameras POV was moved to the left behind the tree and lowered significantly between shots. The tree intersects the hill line at a different place, more of the tree sticks up above the hill line (that broken snag on the left of the tree protrudes well above the hill line), and the root (or is it rocks?) details to the right of the tree are completely occluded in the lower POV shot. Additionally, the lateral movement of the camera placed a bunch of flowers to the left of the tree that fill up that sort of empty gap between the trunk and the edge of the frame..
This is NOT a case of nit-picking. These images were shot more than 4 minutes apart from each other, of the same general scene, but they are distinctly different images. |
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06/03/2015 12:20:16 PM · #104 |
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06/03/2015 12:24:04 PM · #105 |
| maybe it would be beneficial to show the original source images after all ;) |
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06/03/2015 12:51:38 PM · #106 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
One of the reasons I walked away from the site for a couple of years was the rule sets which I found too limiting and felt that I couldn't progress with post processing as I was constantly concerned with the legalities.
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This is a thought I just don't understand. In my life, DPC is something fun that I ALSO do with my camera, it's not the ONLY thing I do with my camera. The only thing stopping you from progressing with post processing is yourself. Unless challenges are the only thing you shoot for there is no reason they should stop you from learning.
For instance, I found something I really wanted to do in PS, I practiced with it, learned it and waited for an expert challenge to use it, it didn't stop me from learning it while I waited. |
Excellent point. Some people seem to think that somehow DPC is stifling their creativity but it's not as if a shot you enter on DPC is the absolute final version of that shot. Do a DPC version and then do a version for yourself that is more processed. Hell, you can even show it off here.
I've recently started building a website on wix.com and have been shooting some stuff and processing some stuff just for my site. DPC doesn't have to be the extent of your photography life. |
[b]True, & valid. It's the idea that if you don't like it at dpc, well the door is right over there, don't let it hit your fanny on the way out.[/b] And people are. I don't know what's wrong with me, for some reason I still read threads like this, I still comment. I need professional help, I guess! |
I love the counter argument of well you can always leave, how is that constructive? Without discussion the site will stagnate and with those who just wish to show others with an opinion the door then the benefits of discussion will never be realised.
I expected a mature response from someone who has been here a long time, sadly that's not what you gave me. (Shakes head ) |
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06/03/2015 12:55:12 PM · #107 |
Originally posted by Jon_H:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
One of the reasons I walked away from the site for a couple of years was the rule sets which I found too limiting and felt that I couldn't progress with post processing as I was constantly concerned with the legalities.
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This is a thought I just don't understand. In my life, DPC is something fun that I ALSO do with my camera, it's not the ONLY thing I do with my camera. The only thing stopping you from progressing with post processing is yourself. Unless challenges are the only thing you shoot for there is no reason they should stop you from learning.
For instance, I found something I really wanted to do in PS, I practiced with it, learned it and waited for an expert challenge to use it, it didn't stop me from learning it while I waited. |
Excellent point. Some people seem to think that somehow DPC is stifling their creativity but it's not as if a shot you enter on DPC is the absolute final version of that shot. Do a DPC version and then do a version for yourself that is more processed. Hell, you can even show it off here.
I've recently started building a website on wix.com and have been shooting some stuff and processing some stuff just for my site. DPC doesn't have to be the extent of your photography life. |
[b]True, & valid. It's the idea that if you don't like it at dpc, well the door is right over there, don't let it hit your fanny on the way out.[/b] And people are. I don't know what's wrong with me, for some reason I still read threads like this, I still comment. I need professional help, I guess! |
I love the counter argument of well you can always leave, how is that constructive? Without discussion the site will stagnate and with those who just wish to show others with an opinion the door then the benefits of discussion will never be realised.
I expected a mature response from someone who has been here a long time, sadly that's not what you gave me. (Shakes head ) |
I believe Pixelpig was criticizing that attitude as well, so you're on the same page. Please commence head unshaking. |
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06/03/2015 01:18:49 PM · #108 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
One of the reasons I walked away from the site for a couple of years was the rule sets which I found too limiting and felt that I couldn't progress with post processing as I was constantly concerned with the legalities.
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This is a thought I just don't understand. In my life, DPC is something fun that I ALSO do with my camera, it's not the ONLY thing I do with my camera. The only thing stopping you from progressing with post processing is yourself. Unless challenges are the only thing you shoot for there is no reason they should stop you from learning.
For instance, I found something I really wanted to do in PS, I practiced with it, learned it and waited for an expert challenge to use it, it didn't stop me from learning it while I waited. |
Excellent point. Some people seem to think that somehow DPC is stifling their creativity but it's not as if a shot you enter on DPC is the absolute final version of that shot. Do a DPC version and then do a version for yourself that is more processed. Hell, you can even show it off here.
I've recently started building a website on wix.com and have been shooting some stuff and processing some stuff just for my site. DPC doesn't have to be the extent of your photography life. |
[b]True, & valid. It's the idea that if you don't like it at dpc, well the door is right over there, don't let it hit your fanny on the way out.[/b] And people are. I don't know what's wrong with me, for some reason I still read threads like this, I still comment. I need professional help, I guess! |
I love the counter argument of well you can always leave, how is that constructive? Without discussion the site will stagnate and with those who just wish to show others with an opinion the door then the benefits of discussion will never be realised.
I expected a mature response from someone who has been here a long time, sadly that's not what you gave me. (Shakes head ) |
I believe Pixelpig was criticizing that attitude as well, so you're on the same page. Please commence head unshaking. |
Indeed he was and my ability to read the thread on my phone is hindered by failing eyes ☺️ I unshake my head and doft my cap in apology |
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06/03/2015 01:33:09 PM · #109 |
Originally posted by tate:
maybe it would be beneficial to show the original source images after all ;) |
(I'm trying so hard to stay away from this thread, but thanks for the giggle Tate. Now I need to go shoot some leaves!) |
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06/03/2015 01:56:23 PM · #110 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
Originally posted by smardaz:
Originally posted by Jon_H:
One of the reasons I walked away from the site for a couple of years was the rule sets which I found too limiting and felt that I couldn't progress with post processing as I was constantly concerned with the legalities.
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This is a thought I just don't understand. In my life, DPC is something fun that I ALSO do with my camera, it's not the ONLY thing I do with my camera. The only thing stopping you from progressing with post processing is yourself. Unless challenges are the only thing you shoot for there is no reason they should stop you from learning.
For instance, I found something I really wanted to do in PS, I practiced with it, learned it and waited for an expert challenge to use it, it didn't stop me from learning it while I waited. |
Excellent point. Some people seem to think that somehow DPC is stifling their creativity but it's not as if a shot you enter on DPC is the absolute final version of that shot. Do a DPC version and then do a version for yourself that is more processed. Hell, you can even show it off here.
I've recently started building a website on wix.com and have been shooting some stuff and processing some stuff just for my site. DPC doesn't have to be the extent of your photography life. |
That reminded me of the Candlelight Tango image  gyaban shot a while back where he did just that. Hit put a link to the fully edited version on Flickr.
I did the reverse with my own Best of 2014 shot. Luckily, I still had the psd file so I was able to disable a few edits and redo it to adhere to the Advanced rules.
Message edited by author 2015-06-04 22:09:14. |
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06/03/2015 02:27:23 PM · #111 |
Originally posted by markwiley:
I would enjoy seeing a "This is what I would have entered if the stupid editing rules hadn't crushed my creativity" thread. In all seriousness, I would find it interesting and you might win some people over. While it would lack the placement and score aspects, I think you would get feedback and comments that might affirmation the success or failure of the image. |
Love this idea. A simple diversion, while the productive discussion ragesâ€Â¦
At the end of any challenge, after rollover, someone could post a “SCARS after the [Whatever] Side Challenge” where SCARS is an acronym for Same Challenge, Alternative Rule Set.
Anyone willing to start?
Message edited by author 2015-06-03 14:29:21. |
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06/03/2015 02:31:25 PM · #112 |
Originally posted by wbanning:
Originally posted by markwiley:
I would enjoy seeing a "This is what I would have entered if the stupid editing rules hadn't crushed my creativity" thread. In all seriousness, I would find it interesting and you might win some people over. While it would lack the placement and score aspects, I think you would get feedback and comments that might affirmation the success or failure of the image. |
Love this idea. A simple diversion, while the productive discussion ragesâ€Â¦
At the end of any challenge, after rollover, someone could post a “SCARS after the [Whatever] Side Challenge” where SCARS is an acronym for Same Challenge, Alternative Rule Set.
Anyone willing to start? |
I like it. It would allow anyone to show off their complete vision if they felt they had to compromise due to the rules. You don't get the voting, but comments and feedback would be available. |
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06/03/2015 05:13:33 PM · #113 |
| Great idea! Brilliant, in fact. If nobody else starts that thread, I will. Can we post an image even if we didn't enter? I think yes. |
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06/03/2015 05:52:17 PM · #114 |
Originally posted by wbanning:
Originally posted by markwiley:
I would enjoy seeing a "This is what I would have entered if the stupid editing rules hadn't crushed my creativity" thread. In all seriousness, I would find it interesting and you might win some people over. While it would lack the placement and score aspects, I think you would get feedback and comments that might affirmation the success or failure of the image. |
Love this idea. A simple diversion, while the productive discussion ragesâ€Â¦
At the end of any challenge, after rollover, someone could post a “SCARS after the [Whatever] Side Challenge” where SCARS is an acronym for Same Challenge, Alternative Rule Set. |
Or you could post the alternative (edit in this case) in the Outtakes thread which is automatically created after every challenge. |
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06/03/2015 06:50:27 PM · #115 |
Yeah but it doesn't have the same effect. Outtakes implies images that are eligible to be entered into the challenge.
I'm thinking of alternative edits NOT eligible under advanced rules. |
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06/03/2015 06:53:46 PM · #116 |
| This "SCARS" series of threads is actually an excellent idea IMO, assuming people post their originals as well as their edits, so we can see what's involved. I'm not sure it needs to be a new thread for every challenge: be nice if it could grow into a longer-running thread I think... |
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06/03/2015 06:57:43 PM · #117 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Yeah but it doesn't have the same effect. Outtakes implies images that are eligible to be entered into the challenge.
I'm thinking of alternative edits NOT eligible under advanced rules. |
I get you ... I was just trying to save the effort of creating yet another thread, but I can see the value of separating out the two types of images. Overall, I think it would also be great if more people posted their originals and editing details ... |
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06/03/2015 07:38:31 PM · #118 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Overall, I think it would also be great if more people posted their originals and editing details ... |
Is there a way to have originals not count in the portfolio allowance? I don't want to take up my space with originals... |
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06/03/2015 08:32:02 PM · #119 |
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Overall, I think it would also be great if more people posted their originals and editing details ... |
Is there a way to have originals not count in the portfolio allowance? I don't want to take up my space with originals... |
Not that I know of, but for this purpose an "original" resized and saved with moderate compression should do -- 2-300KB or so (like the old entry size) should do for comparison ...
Now, if you write up your steps with examples you can have Langdon post it as a "How I Did That" article, and possibly have him post the photos somewhere outside of your portfolio ... can't remember exactly how that works ... |
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06/03/2015 10:35:11 PM · #120 |
| Incidentally, we do have a How'd They Do That forum.... |
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06/04/2015 04:17:46 PM · #121 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Now, if you write up your steps with examples you can have Langdon post it as a "How I Did That" article, and possibly have him post the photos somewhere outside of your portfolio ... can't remember exactly how that works ... |
Not sure any of my photos are worthy of a "How I Did That" write up... :-) |
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06/04/2015 05:27:25 PM · #122 |
Originally posted by Elaine:
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Now, if you write up your steps with examples you can have Langdon post it as a "How I Did That" article, and possibly have him post the photos somewhere outside of your portfolio ... can't remember exactly how that works ... |
Not sure any of my photos are worthy of a "How I Did That" write up... :-) |
Well, if I can do it you can too ...
Not that your original suggestion is unreasonable, just not sure how it would get coded and how complicated it would be ... |
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06/04/2015 10:15:31 PM · #123 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Yeah but it doesn't have the same effect. Outtakes implies images that are eligible to be entered into the challenge.
I'm thinking of alternative edits NOT eligible under advanced rules. |
I get you ... I was just trying to save the effort of creating yet another thread, but I can see the value of separating out the two types of images. Overall, I think it would also be great if more people posted their originals and editing details ... |
This makes sense, there probably wouldn't be that many posts, so an ongoing thread would work. Just like the Top Challenge picks that failed to make the top 20. |
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06/04/2015 10:18:09 PM · #124 |
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
... Just like the Top Challenge picks that failed to make the top 20. |
I like that thread. :-D |
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06/04/2015 10:41:36 PM · #125 |
Originally posted by glad2badad:
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
... Just like the Top Challenge picks that failed to make the top 20. |
I like that thread. :-D |
+10
and that reminds me that I need to catch up there. It's been a very busy month! |
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