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04/21/2015 03:09:52 AM · #126 |
Originally posted by lnede:
Here is a problem I have noticed in my own voting. When I vote on pictures entered in the same challenge as myself I tend to compare the pictures to mine. If I think the picture I am voting on is better than mine I give it a higher score. If I think mine is better I give it a lower score. Therefore, I am using my picture as my personal standard. Is there observer bias? Yes probably, as I sometimes (not always ) think my picture is better than the score I am receiving at that moment and vote the other pictures accordingly. Therefore my scoring is not based on a consistent standard. I guess the only way around this is to not vote on pictures when my pictures are in the challenge. Do you feel this way? |
What?? I totally don't feel this way and so glad others don't vote like that. I know my votes are way higher than what I am receiving. I don't care lolol
(My thoughts on voting)
No one is better than anyone else..it's all a matter of talent and how someone can interpret a challenge, and some just have better Experience, style and good understanding of photography under their belts than others.
To even not vote because of submitting a photo is ludicrous..that would mean I would never vote because I rarely don't enter.
I don't care what score I get, just vote. I will be happy to take last place if others are scared to have it lolol ..ive been down there and theres a great party happening. This is not a place where status or egos means anything by all means its a virtual photography playground. The competition with the voting and side challenges, just make it more fun to be here.
The fact we all LOVE photography is why this site exists and why we are here. For me to learn and have that common ground respect for others for the styles that others shoot in has been an amazing journey and learning experience. I am learning to appreciate others points of view and different styles in how someone does things. I am thankful for this place because it has opened up my eyes to other styles I would never even look at or appreciate.
To ding someone to compare images to what someone has done personally against my own image, I can not understand or comprehend that way of voting, but I do understand that everyone has their own way of voting.
Voting for me, just means to me...I am supporting all of the images good or bad.
People hurt by skipping over an image they didn't wish to give low scores too and it hurts by not voting.
I haven't been voting these last few weeks cause of deaths and more deaths and I check in in my phone but I can't vote on challenges, but when I do people will know it and I always try to make the effort, and I especially feel the need to vote when I do enter. I expect a vote and others do too.
If someone likes something. ..wow, a few words to leave is great too.
I dont care on how a person votes as long as it is consistant...
Added:
I score like this...only because it is consistent for me and it seems to be pretty much a good broken down guide to follow. lololol
I will take away or add accordingly
2 meet a challenge (not auto points, subtract/add)
1.5- totally wows me-these also are my personal ribbon winners- These points determine whether something is a 9 or a 10 (not auto points)
2.5 for technicals...did I like or not like their processing (subtract/add)
1.5- composition -did i like it or not (subtract/add)
2 for entering the challenge (auto given)
.5 lighting and exposure (Subtract/add)
(There is math after highschool LOL)
If it ends up to be a.5 i go up always
Message edited by author 2015-04-21 05:45:12. |
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04/21/2015 06:57:36 AM · #127 |
| Thanks for your input jgirl. Your scoring method is much more precise and analytical than mine. I do not have the time to evaluate the pictures as you do and use a more subjective method. I am not saying it is right, but having been on dpc challenge for many years I have found that my voting method seems to work most of the time and the bell curve of actual final votes and medal winners is very similar to my choices with respect to placement. The only thing that may be different is that my average voting score may be higher or lower than the actual group voting average. |
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04/21/2015 08:19:51 AM · #128 |
Originally posted by lnede:
Thanks for your input jgirl. Your scoring method is much more precise and analytical than mine. I do not have the time to evaluate the pictures as you do and use a more subjective method. I am not saying it is right, but having been on dpc challenge for many years I have found that my voting method seems to work most of the time and the bell curve of actual final votes and medal winners is very similar to my choices with respect to placement. The only thing that may be different is that my average voting score may be higher or lower than the actual group voting average. |
I totally get that, I do believe it is for a lot of others as well. :))
Find something that works is the key and I know when I started I had a heck of a time getting into the voting groove. Its intimidating |
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04/21/2015 10:00:59 AM · #129 |
According to  DJWoodward's link they say that only 25% of the participance vote.
Is this true? |
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04/21/2015 11:08:26 AM · #130 |
Originally posted by nygold:
According to DJWoodward's link they say that only 25% of the participance vote.
Is this true? |
It was true, or at least the math suggested it, back when he did the analysis. But that was several years ago and the numbers of entrants have gone way down now, so who knows how it breaks down today? |
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04/21/2015 11:43:07 AM · #131 |
here is the last two years as an example.
downward voting and participation trend but the ratio seems to be consistent.
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04/21/2015 11:54:41 AM · #132 |
Originally posted by Mike:
here is the last two years as an example.
downward voting and participation trend but the ratio seems to be consistent.
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Trend on that ratio is upward, very slightly, over the life of DPC. |
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04/22/2015 01:46:42 PM · #133 |
| I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
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04/22/2015 01:58:44 PM · #134 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
I guess you haven't been reading this thread ... I wish people would quit conflating "any-" with "every-" -- an especially popular tactic with conservative politicians ... |
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04/22/2015 02:04:28 PM · #135 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
Oh it bothers me alright!
But the problem here is that complaining about it doesn't change anything so what's the point.
Until voting (or commenting) upon entering is required, people are going to continue enjoying their free memberships.
It would be nice if we all learned the rewards of giving.
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04/22/2015 02:23:38 PM · #136 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by nygold:
I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
Oh it bothers me alright!
But the problem here is that complaining about it doesn't change anything so what's the point.
Until voting (or commenting) upon entering is required, people are going to continue enjoying their free memberships.
It would be nice if we all learned the rewards of giving. |
I hear ya, just seems a tad rude to keep putting images in to challenges and expecting votes without voting.
I get it some people are busy, but if you have enough time to shoot, PP, and submit you should have enough time to vote.
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04/22/2015 02:28:27 PM · #137 |
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
Who knows maybe most people think like Kobba maybe I'm in the minority that compete for fun and to beat my average score. |
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04/22/2015 02:40:33 PM · #138 |
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by nygold:
I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
Oh it bothers me alright!
But the problem here is that complaining about it doesn't change anything so what's the point.
Until voting (or commenting) upon entering is required, people are going to continue enjoying their free memberships.
It would be nice if we all learned the rewards of giving. |
Compulsory voting? Interesting? So, if you enter a challenge you must vote on, say, 50% of images in the challenge, your voting must have something somewhat resembling a normal distribution, and an average of between 5.0 and 6.5? Failure to meet these requirements will result in removal of your image from the challenge (i.e. not a DQ).
It would, possibly increase the number of votes - if it doesn't scare people away from entering that is.
Rather than messing around with such mandates etc, I think we just need to ENCOURAGE participation. Make it fun... attract new users/members. Re-engage with former members.
Looking at the data, new registrations peaked in 2006, and has been steadily falling since. 36.8% of current members registered in 2004, 2005 or 2006. What was it that attracted people back then? What was it that keeps people here? What is it that drives people away? What is it that keeps people from returning?
I know that these type of thread is a staple of the forums here, but looking at the Registrations and Member trends, I think that the voting numbers is just a symptom of a greater problem.
Message edited by author 2015-04-22 15:58:18. |
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04/22/2015 02:51:19 PM · #139 |
Originally posted by nygold:
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
Who knows maybe most people think like Kobba maybe I'm in the minority that compete for fun and to beat my average score. |
I did not say I do not vote, I said I typically do not vote in challenges I enter and I only enter 1/2 the challenges. I will admit I forgot to vote on the Lawn challenge, but I will vote on the fish one.......did not get the shot I was trying to get for that one :-(
Message edited by author 2015-04-22 14:51:50. |
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04/22/2015 02:57:34 PM · #140 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by nygold:
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
Who knows maybe most people think like Kobba maybe I'm in the minority that compete for fun and to beat my average score. |
I did not say I do not vote, I said I typically do not vote in challenges I enter and I only enter 1/2 the challenges. I will admit I forgot to vote on the Lawn challenge, but I will vote on the fish one.......did not get the shot I was trying to get for that one :-( |
Sorry you're right it should read Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't always vote. :) |
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04/22/2015 03:00:21 PM · #141 |
It's funny -- I'm the opposite. A number of times I don't vote on the challenges I haven't entered, simply because I forget about them. I'm not really watching that thread or what's happening with them. I'm not as interested to see what people came up with, because I didn't rack my brain trying to come up with something myself. So they just disappear off the radar. I'm a lot more curious on the ones I've entered.
Sometimes I miss voting on those, because I like waiting for awhile before voting. I like to look at the challenge a number of times, because sometimes I miss things the first time around. And some photos make a marvelous first impression but get more dull with time. And then life gets busy and I forget to go back and vote.
Usually I remember, because I vote when I enter photographer comments on my photo during voting. I do those towards the end of the week and that reminds me to go and vote the challenge. So since I missed entering the photography comments on the photo where I was trying to drown my husband, I forgot to vote on that one. :( |
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04/22/2015 03:54:50 PM · #142 |
Originally posted by nygold:
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
Who knows maybe most people think like Kobba maybe I'm in the minority that compete for fun and to beat my average score. |
I don't vote because I don't feel like it. That's usually the case more often than not. |
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04/22/2015 04:22:25 PM · #143 |
I almost always vote on all of the challenges and always 100%, unless life gets in the way, which it has here lately. I also go through all the entries at least twice and have a mental score in my mind so when I do vote it goes guickly, usually near the end of the challenge. I also mostly comment at the end of the challenge and not when I vote. It may look like I am commenting and not voting, but that is not the case. I used to write "voted earlier" in my comments, but lately time is short or I have just gotten lazy.
There are so many more outlets on the internet for photography minded folks to use, plus cell phone cameras and less SLR cameras being used, plus the era of digital technology is no longer new and exciting, plus with so much new, instant, technology now people's time is spread thin; everything has to be "right now" and people have so much less time than in years past. I believe these things are part of the reason why membership here is down. |
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04/22/2015 05:10:18 PM · #144 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by nygold:
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
Who knows maybe most people think like Kobba maybe I'm in the minority that compete for fun and to beat my average score. |
I don't vote because I don't feel like it. That's usually the case more often than not. |
There was a time when I voted on 100% of all the entries and I believe I was either second or third in the total number of votes cast.
Now I seldom vote since I really don't care all that much about this site and quit making comments since it seemed an exercise in futility that caused me nothing but grief... too many bitchers that honestly believed that they were the only true talent on the site.
Ray |
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04/22/2015 05:10:51 PM · #145 |
Vlado is asking all the right questions. DPC peaked at a time when digital was still fairly young, and a competition format was exciting. But it requires us to shoot for things we may not be interested in, or may not be any good at, and then post them for others to vote on and critique. More often than not, our efforts are not rewarded with kind words or high scores. These days, people might be more interested in just shooting whatever they love, and then hearing how wonderful it is from all their friends. It's a different world.
The fact that DPC is still here is testament to the desire for this type of format. And yes, it is clear we need to figure out a way to improve participation, but "legislating change" is not the way. |
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04/22/2015 05:27:02 PM · #146 |
Originally posted by nygold:
So far only Kobba had the cojones to tell us why he doesn't vote.
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because I'm freakin lazy....kinda surprised this thread is still going |
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04/22/2015 05:36:50 PM · #147 |
I'm of the mind that you can learn a lot by really looking at other people's photos and deciding what you like/ don't like about it. You will always be more objective about someone else's work than your own.
I also find that if I can notice something like poor use of DOF in someone else's photo, I'm less likely to like my own photo when I see similar.
Therefore, I, at least, almost gain more from critiquing than from shooting. Or at least from grading others than being graded myself.
Does that make any sense?
A lot of photography is editing: either as you set up a shot or in post. You get better at editing by editing and a critique is very much like an edit (like this, change that...)
So, for me, I could really care less what number people give my photo. I'm a pretty harsh critic on my own stuff.
No, what I like is comments even if it is a "I don't like this photo." That means more than a number- esp when everyone's number scale is determined differently.
Looking over past contests: I wish there were more comments!
But that said, perhaps there is merit to seeing how your pic ranks in comparison to others. I guess I'll see after My first challnge boting window ends. |
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04/22/2015 05:58:00 PM · #148 |
Originally posted by vlado:
Originally posted by PennyStreet:
Originally posted by nygold:
I guess it doesn't bother anyone that people don't vote. |
Oh it bothers me alright!
But the problem here is that complaining about it doesn't change anything so what's the point.
Until voting (or commenting) upon entering is required, people are going to continue enjoying their free memberships.
It would be nice if we all learned the rewards of giving. |
Compulsory voting? Interesting? So, if you enter a challenge you must vote on, say, 50% of images in the challenge, your voting must have something somewhat resembling a normal distribution, and an average of between 5.0 and 6.5? Failure to meet these requirements will result in removal of your image from the challenge (i.e. not a DQ).
It would, possibly increase the number of votes - if it doesn't scare people away from entering that is.
Rather than messing around with such mandates etc, I think we just need to ENCOURAGE participation. Make it fun... attract new users/members. Re-engage with former members.
Looking at the data, new registrations peaked in 2006, and has been steadily falling since. 36.8% of current members registered in 2004, 2005 or 2006. What was it that attracted people back then? What was it that keeps people here? What is it that drives people away? What is it that keeps people from returning?
I know that these type of thread is a staple of the forums here, but looking at the Registrations and Member trends, I think that the voting numbers is just a symptom of a greater problem. |
I never said I was suggesting we implement enforced voting. I just said that would be the only way to change the fact that people don't.
It is what it is. I'll keep wishing more people will vote but I know I won't change the people who don't want to.
And yes, I agree that participation on any level is better than none at all. |
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04/22/2015 06:05:23 PM · #149 |
| Sorry folks, I just reread what I said and I guess it did sound like I would want to instill enforced voting. I do know that wouldn't work. I'm not going to write in the forum anymore when I'm in a rush. And I like it here, wish more were on board though. |
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04/22/2015 06:25:37 PM · #150 |
| Don't get me wrong... I do like the idea of compulsory voting... but think it would face a backlash. |
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