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04/18/2015 03:23:08 AM · #51 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Mike:
strictly out of curiosity, is this against the TOS? since votes dont actually count until rollover. |
From the Voting Rules
You May Not: vote in a manner that suggests an intent to disrupt the voting system.
We Will: disqualify challenge entries from, suspend or ban anyone who abuses the voting system in any way. |
Does this include those who flaunt the anonymity rule and use themselves as subjects? Just asking. |
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04/18/2015 03:35:40 AM · #52 |
Originally posted by Mond:
Does this include those who flaunt the anonymity rule and use themselves as subjects? Just asking. |
Which rule is that one. Point us to it? |
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04/18/2015 04:33:56 AM · #53 |
Only one I can think of is sempermarine and he's doesn't post anymore and it's upto him ppl vote him down because of it as well
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04/18/2015 05:20:37 AM · #54 |
Heck, there's a number of people who use themselves as models, and even more if you add the family-member stables. I've done a lot of selfies. Wendy has, Jenn Huls has, Samantha, Gyaban, the list goes on and on.
I think we worry too much about this "anonymity" shtick. I doubt Sempermarine racked up all those ribbons due to "Cool! There's Jeff again! Let's give him a 9!" Nah.... The picyures wsere genuinely well made and funny as hell. |
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04/18/2015 05:28:12 AM · #55 |
As well as all the recognisable self portraits and family members we also have very recognisable locations, subject matter and, perahps most of all, style. You might not recognise any of the people in one one of Jager's images but the photos are instantly recognisable due to his approach and look. So, yea, the anonymity thing is nothing to worry about at all i'd say.
Message edited by author 2015-04-18 05:29:38. |
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04/18/2015 05:39:40 AM · #56 |
| Although mnet or margaret but in a jeagar clone in the portrait challenge |
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04/18/2015 07:18:08 AM · #57 |
| If anonymity means so little, why keep up the ruse? It certainly perpetuates legacy a bit. If it is all merit, let the photographer be known. There isn't much intelligent argument against it. |
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04/18/2015 08:15:58 AM · #58 |
We live in a popularity based culture, just look at Facebook etc. to think that that doesn't effect the scores on DPC is naive at best.
I do think that we shouldn't be concerned with scores though, it's not as if a good score here automatically means the photo is a good one, most of the top scoring stuff here couldn't be exposed in a exibition of any sort anywhere. We should just chill and have fun. |
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04/18/2015 09:27:28 AM · #59 |
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04/18/2015 11:33:30 AM · #60 |
Despite not being model material, I've occasionally had a good reason to use myself as the subject. Some have done well (inluding a couple of ribbons), others have floundered. I don't think my being recognized in the photo has affected it at all. If anything, it may have caused some people to skip voting on my entry that would have otherwise given it a positive vote.
Bear_Music seem particularly good at picking a particular member's entry out of the crowd.
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04/18/2015 12:32:10 PM · #61 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
Everyones scores should go down the last day for contest that I have entered. On the last day I go thru and vote and do not give any photo a score higher then what mine currently is at and try to get my average score given to be 1/2 of what my photo is currently at. If I have time I will go thru and make adjustments before rollover. |
LOL, I did not expect this comment to get so much attention....................to answer all the questions in just one spot.................No, that is not how I vote and I hardly ever vote on challenges that I have entered (actually been so busy lately have not voted much at all). These types of threads get started all the time, especially just before DPL, and as a sorta statistician (I am a demographer and do lots of statistic calculations) I look at voting patterns and such. Not much I can do when looking at them because I do not have access to all the data. The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes.
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04/18/2015 12:50:04 PM · #62 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better.
Message edited by author 2015-04-18 12:50:30.
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04/18/2015 12:56:51 PM · #63 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better. |
I agree, there are a lot of reasons as to why this is. Given access to all the voting data, a person could come up with a pretty good answer to that question, but with a margin of error for personal taste and such which could not be gleaned without getting everyone to fill out a survey to help narrow down that aspect.
Damn, If I ever go for my PhD forget expanding on my masters thesis......this would make a really awesome research project
Message edited by author 2015-04-18 12:58:13. |
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04/18/2015 03:33:22 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better. |
I agree, there are a lot of reasons as to why this is. Given access to all the voting data, a person could come up with a pretty good answer to that question, but with a margin of error for personal taste and such which could not be gleaned without getting everyone to fill out a survey to help narrow down that aspect.
Damn, If I ever go for my PhD forget expanding on my masters thesis......this would make a really awesome research project |
You mean like this?
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1061727
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04/18/2015 03:35:25 PM · #65 |
Originally posted by DJWoodward:
Originally posted by Kobba:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better. |
I agree, there are a lot of reasons as to why this is. Given access to all the voting data, a person could come up with a pretty good answer to that question, but with a margin of error for personal taste and such which could not be gleaned without getting everyone to fill out a survey to help narrow down that aspect.
Damn, If I ever go for my PhD forget expanding on my masters thesis......this would make a really awesome research project |
You mean like this?
//www.dpchallenge.com/forum.php?action=read&FORUM_THREAD_ID=1061727 |
Yep |
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04/19/2015 09:28:23 PM · #66 |
Shoot... just do it like the government does... give everyone that enters a blue ribbon. Nobody gets their feelings hurt and problem solved.
;)
Mike
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04/19/2015 09:52:10 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better. |
Actually what I've found out lately is how low some newbies avg vote given is, just saying.....not everyone; but quite a lot.
And also members who don't have a horse in the race vote very high to bump their avg vote given, but I'm sure they wouldn't normally vote like that if they'd entered.... it's all vanity really.....
Message edited by author 2015-04-19 21:55:32. |
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04/19/2015 10:15:40 PM · #68 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Heck, there's a number of people who use themselves as models, and even more if you add the family-member stables. I've done a lot of selfies. Wendy has, Jenn Huls has, Samantha, Gyaban, the list goes on and on.
I think we worry too much about this "anonymity" shtick. I doubt Sempermarine racked up all those ribbons due to "Cool! There's Jeff again! Let's give him a 9!" Nah.... The picyures wsere genuinely well made and funny as hell. |
Why is Hell funny?
Ha!
Carry on... |
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04/19/2015 10:16:50 PM · #69 |
Where's that "popcorn eating" fellow when one needs him?
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04/19/2015 10:34:30 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by Lydia:
Where's that "popcorn eating" fellow when one needs him? |
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04/19/2015 10:37:17 PM · #71 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Originally posted by Yo_Spiff:
Originally posted by Kobba:
The only thing I have noticed is that a large majority of the photos I have looked at have a higher average from non-participants then participants. Yes there are exceptions, this is just based off my casual non scientific look at photos votes. |
There could be a few explanations for this that don't include tactical voting. The one that comes to me immediately is that a higher proportion of non participants may be new members who are more readily impressed, while the participants have become jaded from seeing similar shots many times before, often done better. |
Actually what I've found out lately is how low some newbies avg vote given is, just saying.....not everyone; but quite a lot.
And also members who don't have a horse in the race vote very high to bump their avg vote given, but I'm sure they wouldn't normally vote like that if they'd entered.... it's all vanity really..... |
What I've learned is that the whining about scores never stops. I'm thinking about voting low to see if I can make their heads explode. |
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04/19/2015 10:50:30 PM · #72 |
| What I suspect is that some people think they have it all figured out as to why some people vote the way they do. |
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04/19/2015 10:57:32 PM · #73 |
| yep. it is a purgatory of vile opinion. |
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04/19/2015 11:16:53 PM · #74 |
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04/20/2015 05:41:34 AM · #75 |
| Not that I care all that much about scores but, to be honest, if you're in the clique, you get + 1 or 2 more on your total (especially when the pic is recognized). I've been keeping an eye on it for years. |
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