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01/18/2015 01:42:53 PM · #201 |
Here's what this looks like in real life folks.
Three lives saved by a gun. (assuming the guy who got shot would have gotten the death penalty, and that he really was about to hack them up.. I assume he was, that's the only reason to kick through a door while wielding a machete.. Also, when the dude who shot him says "you were going to kill me" he said "damn right I was", so that's pretty much proof..)
Message edited by author 2015-01-18 13:44:06. |
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01/18/2015 03:05:27 PM · #202 |
Originally posted by Cory:
Here's what this looks like in real life folks.
Three lives saved by a gun. (assuming the guy who got shot would have gotten the death penalty, and that he really was about to hack them up.. I assume he was, that's the only reason to kick through a door while wielding a machete.. Also, when the dude who shot him says "you were going to kill me" he said "damn right I was", so that's pretty much proof..) |
Picking individual cases to support either side of the argument doesn't help convince anyone. Both sides can throw out many such cases to support their viewpoint.
No one can argue that having a gun can't save someones life if the need arises. Just like no one can argue that having a gun can unintentionally harm or kill someone. The real argument, is whether the individuals belief that they are safer by having a gun outweighs their neighbours belief that they are more at risk.
The decision should be made from a statistical standpoint, assuming there is enough information to show a clear benefit or risk. Not that I believe such statistics would be easy to gather, as in most cases we can't determine what would have happened if someone didn't have a gun. Not to mention that opinions vary greatly on when it is justified to actually shoot someone else. Many are of the opinion that it is only justified if a life is potentially in danger, while others think it is justified if someone was trying to steal from you.
With all these variables, there is no end in sight on this debate. |
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01/18/2015 03:27:36 PM · #203 |
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
The decision should be made from a statistical standpoint, assuming there is enough information to show a clear benefit or risk. Not that I believe such statistics would be easy to gather, as ... |
the NRA has intimidated Congress into making it illegal for public health officials (those concerned with the cause of death in populations) to gather or analyze statistics on the effect of current gun laws on society.
FWIW very few people want to ban guns outright (even if that was possible); the real argument is about exactly how to define "responsible gun ownership."
For example, I just got an email announcing that the governor of Michigan had vetoed an NRA-promoted bill which would have allowed (required?) concealed-carry permits be issued to people with current personal protection (restraining) orders in force against them. The NRA will need a miraculously-persuasive argument to convince me that arming known abusers is a "responsible" idea ... |
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01/30/2015 06:39:17 AM · #204 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
the real argument is about exactly how to define "responsible gun ownership."
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I am pretty sure this doesn't qualify as responisible gun ownership |
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01/30/2015 07:10:03 AM · #205 |
Nope. But of course all of the responsible gun owners don't make for good news, do they? The exceptions are what make the news. Just like Flight 1234 arriving on time at Anytown, USA doesn't make the news, but when a 747 augers into a cornfield in one o the flyover states, it's the top story. |
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01/30/2015 07:17:50 AM · #206 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Nope. But of course all of the responsible gun owners don't make for good news, do they? The exceptions are what make the news. Just like Flight 1234 arriving on time at Anytown, USA doesn't make the news, but when a 747 augers into a cornfield in one o the flyover states, it's the top story. |
just underscores why we need some regulation, people have lapses in judgement. |
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01/30/2015 09:11:13 AM · #207 |
Originally posted by FromDaRock:
Originally posted by Cory:
Here's what this looks like in real life folks.
Three lives saved by a gun. (assuming the guy who got shot would have gotten the death penalty, and that he really was about to hack them up.. I assume he was, that's the only reason to kick through a door while wielding a machete.. Also, when the dude who shot him says "you were going to kill me" he said "damn right I was", so that's pretty much proof..) |
Picking individual cases to support either side of the argument doesn't help convince anyone. Both sides can throw out many such cases to support their viewpoint.
No one can argue that having a gun can't save someones life if the need arises. Just like no one can argue that having a gun can unintentionally harm or kill someone. The real argument, is whether the individuals belief that they are safer by having a gun outweighs their neighbours belief that they are more at risk.
The decision should be made from a statistical standpoint, assuming there is enough information to show a clear benefit or risk. Not that I believe such statistics would be easy to gather, as in most cases we can't determine what would have happened if someone didn't have a gun. Not to mention that opinions vary greatly on when it is justified to actually shoot someone else. Many are of the opinion that it is only justified if a life is potentially in danger, while others think it is justified if someone was trying to steal from you.
With all these variables, there is no end in sight on this debate. |
The statistic that the US has the highest rate of gun killings of any developed country is quite a compelling one. |
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01/30/2015 10:28:42 AM · #208 |
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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01/30/2015 03:39:25 PM · #209 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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That's mind-boggling... |
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01/30/2015 04:16:59 PM · #210 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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That's mind-boggling... |
I'm surprised it's that low. |
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01/30/2015 04:29:13 PM · #211 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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That's mind-boggling... |
I'm surprised it's that low. |
Don't worry, there's always next year.
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
The number was a 22 percent increase from 2013, when 1,813 firearms were discovered. The number of firearms discovered at TSA checkpoints has risen nearly every year since 2005. |
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01/30/2015 05:42:28 PM · #212 |
Originally posted by Mike:
Originally posted by Spork99:
Nope. But of course all of the responsible gun owners don't make for good news, do they? The exceptions are what make the news. Just like Flight 1234 arriving on time at Anytown, USA doesn't make the news, but when a 747 augers into a cornfield in one o the flyover states, it's the top story. |
just underscores why we need some regulation, people have lapses in judgement. |
Rightâ€Â¦the guy in the article you linked to is facing manslaughter charges isn't he? I'm pretty sure that's covered by some kind of regulation.
Regulations don't stop people from doing things they shouldn't, intentionally or not.
Message edited by author 2015-01-30 17:45:01. |
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01/30/2015 07:35:52 PM · #213 |
Originally posted by Spork99:
Nope. But of course all of the responsible gun owners don't make for good news, do they? The exceptions are what make the news. Just like Flight 1234 arriving on time at Anytown, USA doesn't make the news, but when a 747 augers into a cornfield in one o the flyover states, it's the top story. |
Basically, good news doesn't make for good news. |
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01/30/2015 08:19:28 PM · #214 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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That's mind-boggling... |
Also mind-boggling:
An 8.5" knife was discovered in an enchilada at the Charles M. Schulz–Sonoma County Airport. The TSA noted that "While this was a great catch, the passenger's intent was delicious, not malicious, and she was cleared for travel." |
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01/30/2015 09:43:46 PM · #215 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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Screw Canada. |
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01/31/2015 02:04:56 AM · #216 |
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Speaking of responsible gun ownership: TSA Agents Discovered 2,212 Guns At Airport Checkpoints In 2014
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
TSA agents discovered 2,212 firearms — or a little more than six a day — in carry-on bags; 83 percent of them were loaded, the department said. |
Originally posted by Sad State of Affairs:
"In many cases, people simply forgot they had these items," the TSA said in its blog reviewing the data. |
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That's mind-boggling... |
I wonder how many they didn't even find? |
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01/31/2015 03:28:27 AM · #217 |
He simply forgot it was there, sounds like another responsible gun owner :-) |
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01/31/2015 03:30:58 AM · #218 |
| Must have been a great sergeant. |
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01/31/2015 02:21:45 PM · #219 |
This year, for the first time since the government has tracked this data, more young people in America will die from gun violence than from car accidents.
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01/31/2015 03:00:57 PM · #220 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
This year, for the first time since the government has tracked this data, more young people in America will die from gun violence than from car accidents.
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So, what you're saying is that we should start a "Pistols for Pipsqueaks" campaign to get guns to these defenseless kids.
Other name options
Boomsticks for Babies
Magnums for Minors
Ammunition for Adolescents
Weapons for Whippersnappers
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01/31/2015 04:45:51 PM · #221 |
| A whippersnapper by definition already has a weapon ... |
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02/01/2015 09:27:35 AM · #222 |
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02/01/2015 09:43:52 AM · #223 |
A butt and shoulder shot, that kid is a natural. I do hope he never remembers this. |
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