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12/27/2014 09:36:52 PM · #51 |
Originally posted by MattO:
She told the police she did it to buy more drugs. She is a repeat and constant offender. |
Too bad, for many reasons ... if her drug(s) of choice is/are opiates, then treatment is realtively simple and inexpensive. If she's hooked on cocaine or methamphetamine it's both more harmful/dangerous and difficult to treat successfully. |
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12/27/2014 11:34:42 PM · #52 |
Originally posted by jagar:
If someone tried to rob me in a restaurant, I'd feel much happier handing over the goods than killing or seeing someone else kill the thief. Having grew up where even the police didn't have guns I would feel pretty insecure knowing that the restaurant I was eating in could within an instant turn into the OK Corral, having said that if I'd have spent my childhood where everyone had a gun It might not bother me at all.. |
You assume that the motive for violence in a restaurant is robberyâ€Â¦it's likely that the motive isn't simply "get money and valuables", but rather something else, like "making others suffer as much as I do". Or consider the fact that robberies often go awry for reasons unrelated to having guns. Look at what happened in 2007 to the Petit family in Connecticut when what was supposed to be a simple robbery got out of hand. |
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12/27/2014 11:37:49 PM · #53 |
Originally posted by Giles:
If you need a gun to feel safe move somewhere else |
You are fortunate if you have the ability to simply pick up and go wherever you feel safe.
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12/28/2014 12:37:28 AM · #54 |
I've never seen anyone on either side of this debate "move" to the other side. I think each side makes points that make sense in certain situations. I will tell you I comfortably Conceal Carry every single day. I have never open carried, even though Missouri is such a state that allows it. Personally I feel better knowing should the worst happen I could defend myself. Thankfully I carry it every day and have never even been close to a situation that warranted removing it from it's holster, unless I was at the firing range.
My wife is uncomfortable with guns, doesn't like them at all. However she understands why I have them, and why I carry them. Doesn't mean she likes it, but I'm sure should I ever need to, and successfully have defended her or myself, she will be thankful I did. |
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12/28/2014 10:42:55 AM · #55 |
| I guess it is worth pointing out that the recent Australian tragedy played out in a cafe.. And I do figure a gun in the hands of an untrained civilian would probably have been pretty welcome. |
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12/28/2014 12:57:35 PM · #56 |
Originally posted by Cory:
I guess it is worth pointing out that the recent Australian tragedy played out in a cafe.. And I do figure a gun in the hands of an untrained civilian would probably have been pretty welcome. |
I have really been surprised that no one brought this up before now. Recent history tells us this does happen, not just in the movies. |
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12/28/2014 01:03:50 PM · #57 |
Originally posted by MattO:
Originally posted by Cory:
I guess it is worth pointing out that the recent Australian tragedy played out in a cafe.. And I do figure a gun in the hands of an untrained civilian would probably have been pretty welcome. |
I have really been surprised that no one brought this up before now. Recent history tells us this does happen, not just in the movies. |
I thought about posting these notables yesterday... No one died in either of these stabbing incidents, thankfully.
Five people stabbed in Washington restaurant
"Screech" arrested for stabbing a man with a switchblade at a bar north of Milwaukee, Wisconsin
If you can't trust Screech, who can you trust? Actually, he's a real douche bag apparently.
Message edited by author 2014-12-28 13:06:40. |
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12/28/2014 01:16:27 PM · #58 |
A study done by the Harvard Injury Control Research Center shows that having a gun in your home significantly increases your risk of death, wouldn't that be the same in a restaurant?
Also I didn't know but do now that Children aged 5 to 14 in the United States are 11 times more likely to die from an accidental gunshot wound than children in other developed countries. |
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12/28/2014 02:29:04 PM · #59 |
Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under died each year in unintentional shootings. By this measure,
American children are sixteen times more likely to be killed in unintentional shootings than their peers in other high-income countries.
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST 100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT. And even this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured or killed with guns in the U.S. each year, regardless of the intent.
//www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
interesting read
17 law enforcement officers killed by conceal carry permit holders
662 private citizens killed by concealed carry permit holders
Message edited by author 2014-12-28 14:41:14. |
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12/29/2014 04:21:51 PM · #60 |
Interesting in that their findings support their agenda? Not at all.
If your concern is preventing deaths your efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Originally posted by Giles:
Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under died each year in unintentional shootings. By this measure,
American children are sixteen times more likely to be killed in unintentional shootings than their peers in other high-income countries.
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST 100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT. And even this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured or killed with guns in the U.S. each year, regardless of the intent.
//www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
interesting read
17 law enforcement officers killed by conceal carry permit holders
662 private citizens killed by concealed carry permit holders |
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12/29/2014 05:07:33 PM · #61 |
Shoot... the whole day down...
If I weren't at work, I would do just that. But probably with my Canon. |
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12/29/2014 08:43:50 PM · #62 |
Isn't that the way 99% of all studies work? Come out in the favor of the people who are footing the bill for them? To each there own. But there are many other things that kill more humans in the US each year than handguns. And no group has yet to try and ban them.
Originally posted by Spork99:
Interesting in that their findings support their agenda? Not at all.
If your concern is preventing deaths your efforts are better spent elsewhere.
Originally posted by Giles:
Federal data from the Centers for Disease Control indicate that between 2007 and 2011, an average of 62 children age 14 and under died each year in unintentional shootings. By this measure,
American children are sixteen times more likely to be killed in unintentional shootings than their peers in other high-income countries.
FROM DECEMBER 2012 TO DECEMBER 2013, AT LEAST 100 CHILDREN WERE KILLED IN UNINTENTIONAL SHOOTINGS — ALMOST TWO EACH WEEK, 61 PERCENT HIGHER THAN FEDERAL DATA REFLECT. And even this larger number reflects just a fraction
of the total number of children injured or killed with guns in the U.S. each year, regardless of the intent.
//www.vpc.org/ccwkillers.htm
interesting read
17 law enforcement officers killed by conceal carry permit holders
662 private citizens killed by concealed carry permit holders |
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12/29/2014 09:54:15 PM · #63 |
| Hey! I just found a cure for cancer! But it's for one kind of cancer which isn't the most prevalent cancer. So just forget I said anything. |
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12/29/2014 09:55:07 PM · #64 |
Originally posted by MattO:
But there are many other things that kill more humans in the US each year than handguns. And no group has yet to try and ban them. |
Well, let's just ban everything then.
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12/29/2014 09:56:22 PM · #65 |
Or we can go the other extreme and repeal all laws, since rules serve no good purpose.
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12/29/2014 09:57:16 PM · #66 |
Originally posted by MattO:
But there are many other things that kill more humans in the US each year than handguns. And no group has yet to try and ban them. |
Which of those "other things" have NO OTHER PURPOSE than to kill, or practice for the same. And I think you overlook groups like MADD, the environmental movement to ban certain pesticides, etc., which have indeed gotten together to ban things ... |
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12/29/2014 10:57:12 PM · #67 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MattO:
But there are many other things that kill more humans in the US each year than handguns. And no group has yet to try and ban them. |
Which of those "other things" have NO OTHER PURPOSE than to kill, or practice for the same. And I think you overlook groups like MADD, the environmental movement to ban certain pesticides, etc., which have indeed gotten together to ban things ... |
Cigarettes? |
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12/29/2014 11:01:34 PM · #68 |
Tobacco has been used for psychological and religious purposes for millenia. Its primary function is not intended to be used as a fatal poison, except in the case of the nicotine-based insecticides (or rarely as a murder weapon), whose relatives are now widely believed to contribute to the collapse of the bee population which threatens 30-40% of the human food supply.
ETA: Oh, and if you hadn't noticed, tobacco's use has been banned in quite a few places, at the urging of people getting together to demand it ...
Message edited by author 2014-12-29 23:04:52. |
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12/29/2014 11:04:26 PM · #69 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Tobacco has been used for psychological and religious purposes for millenia. Its primary function is not intended to be used as a fatal poison, except in the case of the nicotine-based insecticides (or rarely as a murder weapon), whose relatives are now widely believed to contribute to the collapse of the bee population which threatens 30-40% of the human food supply. |
All reasons I didn't cite tobacco. Same as you probably don't generally object to steel. ;-)
Originally posted by GeneralE:
ETA: Oh, and if you hadn't noticed, tobacco's use has been banned in quite a few places, at the urging of people getting together to demand it ... |
ETA: The use of guns is banned in all of those places, and many more.
Message edited by author 2014-12-29 23:07:37. |
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12/29/2014 11:24:18 PM · #70 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by MattO:
But there are many other things that kill more humans in the US each year than handguns. And no group has yet to try and ban them. |
Which of those "other things" have NO OTHER PURPOSE than to kill, or practice for the same. And I think you overlook groups like MADD, the environmental movement to ban certain pesticides, etc., which have indeed gotten together to ban things ... |
No other purpose? Have you never seen the sport of shooting? It's in the Olympics. They do it with clay, three gun competitions. They do it while cross country skiing. All sorts of things, just like bows and arrows. They serve a purpose to put food on the table as well(yes I know that is killing)
I sport shoot with my semi-auto gun. And the only thing I've ever killed was bowling pins. |
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12/29/2014 11:54:09 PM · #71 |
Well, we should ban arrows, too. As well as anything that MacGyver or Captain Kirk could possibly make a weapon from.
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12/30/2014 12:47:43 AM · #72 |
| Ban the damn humans. They're responsible for all of it! On both sides! |
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12/30/2014 01:28:49 AM · #73 |
| I ate breakfast at Shooters on Christmas eve. I live in Rifle, I've eaten there a half dozen times or so, mostly breakfast. |
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12/30/2014 02:30:42 AM · #74 |
Originally posted by chazoe:
I ate breakfast at Shooters on Christmas eve. I live in Rifle, I've eaten there a half dozen times or so, mostly breakfast. |
Ha |
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12/30/2014 05:16:21 PM · #75 |
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