Why did Lucky 7 V have to be under 'Expert'? :-(

Canon EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM

11/07/2014 07:25:56 AM · #3

this place is so much better under expert, that's reason enough.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

11/07/2014 07:33:00 AM · #4

Originally posted by Mike:

this place is so much better under expert, that's reason enough.

Expert has it's place. Made sense for the recent Jewelry Advertisement challenge.

However, for Lucky 7 the challenge, IMO, also the challenge description, is to "Take a photograph which contains exactly seven of the main subject." - not,
"Copy and paste new layers for 7 different objects and make it look like there was 7 main subjects in the initial photograph."

Key words: "Take a photograph".
Not "Photoshop a collage".

LN13

Canon EOS-60D

11/07/2014 07:36:33 AM · #5

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Originally posted by Mike:
this place is so much better under expert, that's reason enough.

Expert has it's place. Made sense for the recent Jewelry Advertisement challenge.

However, for Lucky 7 the challenge, IMO, also the challenge description, is to "Take a photograph which contains exactly seven of the main subject." - not,
"Copy and paste new layers for 7 different objects and make it look like there was 7 main subjects in the initial photograph."

Key words: "Take a photograph".
Not "Photoshop a collage".

Leica 18-56mm f/3.5-5.6 Vario Elmar-T ASPH

11/07/2014 07:59:54 AM · #6

Originally posted by LN13:

+1 [/quote]

-1

now we are back to zero.

SaraR

Sony Alpha a7R III

Sony FE 24-70mm f/2.8 GM

11/07/2014 08:09:48 AM · #7

pixelpig

Sony Alpha a55

Sony DT 1.8/50mm SAM

11/07/2014 08:21:02 AM · #8

-1

MAK

Leica M Monochrom

11/07/2014 08:24:51 AM · #9

nam

Sony DSLR-A580

Sony DT 18-70mm f/3.5-5.6 Aspherical ED Zoom Lens for Sony Alpha

11/07/2014 08:53:38 AM · #10

LOL you guys. But I do agree this would have been better in advanced. So . . .
+1

Jules1x

Fujifilm X-T1

Fujifilm XF 23mm f/1.4 R

11/07/2014 09:15:29 AM · #11

I know this isn't 'the right thread for this - although I too would have appreciated advanced for this Lucky 7 challenge - but...

Does the challenge description mean there has to be 7 of one subject? Like the subject has to be the same person 7 times, or the same tree 7 times? Or are 7 people, 7 trees, etc. okay?

Ammie

Nikon D500

Sigma 18-250mm f/3.5-6.3 DC OS HSM

11/07/2014 09:18:36 AM · #12

Originally posted by glad2badad:

Yes!
+1

markwiley

Fujifilm X-Pro2

Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f/4 R IOS

11/07/2014 09:25:17 AM · #13

I don't mind getting the flexibility of applying the Expert rule set occasionally to challenge themes that don't necessarily scream for it. Expert editing doesn't have to be about crazy photo collages and manufactured fantasy scenes. It can be about subtlety moving a component to improve composition or cloning out a distraction that would cross the line for Advanced.

I think Expert Editing might be useful to me with the Lucky 7 challenge. If you are planning on taking a still life of 7 static objects, where you can exert precise control over exposure conditions, camera angle, etc., then you might not need to use any Expert editing. While I can admire a good still life, this is a genre that I have as much fun shooting. This rule set might allow me to try to catch catch an interesting shot of seven moving objects -- and clone out part of an eighth creeping into the frame.

For me, the flexibility of the Expert rule set might make this challenge more interesting. Sorry if you feel having this rule set for Lucky 7 takes the fun out. Of course, you always have the flexibility to not apply any Expert editing to your image. I suspect that will not put you at much disadvantage for this challenge theme. I am willing to bet there will a good number on non-Expert edited images in the Lucky 7's Top Ten.

Yo_Spiff

Olympus OM-D E-M5 Mark III

Olympus 12-100mm f/4.0 M.Zuiko ED IS PRO

11/07/2014 09:25:20 AM · #14

You don't have to do expert editing. I've entered pics fitting advanced rules in many expert challenges and performed decently.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 09:25:31.

PennyStreet

Olympus OM-D E-M1

Olympus 17mm f/1.8 M.Zuiko

11/07/2014 09:30:32 AM · #15

Maybe it's expert to allow text for the people who have trouble counting to 7.

vawendy

Sony Alpha 1

Sony FE 200-600mm f/5.6-6.3 G OSS

11/07/2014 09:49:42 AM · #16

I don't enjoy the expert editing challenges, because they make me feel very inadequate. I don't have the creativity or the skills of the expert editing giants on here.

However,

I have a tendency to do some simple expert editing. Uncomplicated, pretty much straight forward, as simple as I can get. And it has worked. You don't have to be a Samantha or a Christophe to come up with some decent for an expert editing challenge.

Plus, even though I don't enjoy it, I find that my photoshop skills grow significantly by doing this. And I'm not talking about the expert editing stuff, I'm talking more about playing with perspective to tweak something, doing more complicated masks that help significantly on the "regular" photographs.

Knowledge is power.

Each time you force yourself to go out of your comfort zone, you grow. If you keep doing only the things you like and only the things that interest you, you're really limiting yourself. You may get better at what you like, but not nearly at the same level. Because doing the things that you don't like, or the things that irritate you, gets you to look at things in a way in which you may never have noticed before.

11/07/2014 09:59:58 AM · #17

i still say the editing rulesets needs to be changed. Minimal, Standard, Enhanced.

glad2badad

Apple iPhone 16 Pro

Lensbaby Sweet 35 Optic

11/07/2014 10:29:38 AM · #18

I'm just saying that the "challenge" of getting 7 items (that is interesting / unique enough to garner a high score) in an actual first capture is much more challenging than being gifted in photoshop skills to create some image that's a composite of various captures.

I don't disagree that an entry submitted with 'Advanced' editing cannot do well (I hope one in particular does for sure).

I'll do my part to keep a level playing field by following the suggestions in the Expert Rule Set:

"You should: keep your entry photographic in nature. Though violating this guideline is not grounds for disqualification, voters are encouraged to rate entries accordingly."

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

11/07/2014 10:46:25 AM · #19

you people really need to let go of this archaic definition of what constitutes a photograph and how one is made.

Melethia

Canon EOS-80D

11/07/2014 10:52:15 AM · #20

I don't understand using expert for this one, either. Half the fun is trying to catch 7 (or however many) at a time. Mike, you can have photography be whatever it is to you. Just don't force your version on everyone else. It's a lot like religion. People feel very passionately about it one way or another.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 10:52:29.

Tiny

Apple iPad mini 4

11/07/2014 11:03:01 AM · #21

as has been stated all that want to do it in Advanced then do so

MadMan2k

Sony Alpha a6400

Tamron 70-180mm F/2.8 Di III VXD

11/07/2014 11:09:25 AM · #22

Or you could shoot it with a smart phone and upload it straight from the phone for the ultimate "screw-expert" statement

11/07/2014 11:12:49 AM · #23

Originally posted by Melethia:

Just don't force your version on everyone else.

i wish i wielded that sort of power.

Message edited by author 2014-11-07 11:13:50.