Middle Class Tax Cuts - DPChallenge Forums

09/27/2004 08:44:27 PM · #51

Originally posted by ScottK:

Originally posted by ericlimon:
maybe ron should not post his politics on other peoples photos period. maybe he should keep it in the rant section, or move to a political site.

Maybe you should simply ignore threads you don't wish to participate in and not bring other people's photos into your protest.

maybe since political ranters keep saying they have freedom of speach to post anything they want, they would let others have the freedoms they hold so high and mighty for themselves, and not attack someone by posting thier political views on someone elses photos.
think about that next time you critisize me for posting a photo in a forum on a photography website. I'm not posting my photos on "rightwingamerica.com" I'm not posting photos on "politicalarguments.org" I'mposting photos on a website that is dedicated to photography. If you want to post politics here, so be it. My posts will continue to be photos. welcome to freedom of speach. it goes both ways.

Message edited by author 2004-09-27 20:53:07.

frychikn

Olympus C-5050Z

09/27/2004 08:59:18 PM · #52

09/27/2004 09:13:22 PM · #53

Originally posted by frychikn:

late blooming day lillies?
I like the sof color they produced.

09/27/2004 09:13:29 PM · #54

Originally posted by frychikn:

late blooming day lillies?
I like the soft color they produced.

I have no idea why this posted twice!

Message edited by author 2004-09-27 21:15:46.

StevePax

Canon PowerShot S50

09/27/2004 09:13:47 PM · #55

I say post your photos. I love them.

I also say move to a flat tax. By the way, I am a "middle class" american worker. I busted my butt in college and got a degree. Who paid for my degree? The government? My parents? No, I did. I worked hard in college - a couple of years as an Air Conditioner filter changer - you think that job is below middle-class americans? Nope - I put on my dirty overalls and crawled up in 50-year old AC ducts to change filters for 4 hours a day, every day. I got my degree, I have invested my intelligence in something that pays. I'm married and I have a daughter, for whom I also pay medical insurance, food, housing, etc, all by myself. I have never gotten a dime of overtime pay - Many professionals are exempt from overtime pay. I have often worked overtime, however. Strange that you might think some people deserve overtime pay while you think I do not. Are you descriminating against me? I earn every penny I make, and I do deserve to be paid more than people who have invested less time, less money, less effort in education. Flat tax for all!

(This is the first time I've participated in a political thread here, and will likely be the last. You leftist commie socialists should stop taking away my money.)

09/27/2004 09:17:42 PM · #56

09/27/2004 09:18:38 PM · #57

MadMordegon

09/27/2004 09:25:48 PM · #58

Originally posted by ericlimon:

This is a great picture and I love the name Nova for your daughter.

09/27/2004 09:31:27 PM · #59

Originally posted by StevePax:

***You mean like the leftist commie socialist executives of Enron fame who bilked their workers for millions of dollars of their hard earned money? Or do you mean the leftist commie socialists investers, politicians, and bank executives of the Savings and Loan scandal back in the 80's who never gave a dime back to all the depositors and public?
Or do you mean the leftist commie socialists of BCCI fame who many in this country had ties with? Or do you mean the leftist commie socialists insider traders who have good inside information that they don't share with others so they can do with their money what they have illegally done?

Btw Steve, I commend you for working so hard and building a future for yourself and your family but it doesn't mean that poor people work any less hard than you do. They don't get much from the government either, but there is a ton of corporate welfare that I haven't heard you say anything about.

09/27/2004 09:33:02 PM · #60

Originally posted by MadMordegon:

Originally posted by ericlimon:

This is a great picture and I love the name Nova for your daughter.

Thanks madmordegon! There really good kids, and now they are terrific older sisters too!

RonB

Canon EOS-300D Rebel

09/27/2004 10:06:11 PM · #61

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by RonB:

Actually, it gave me NONE of what I was looking for, but EVERYTHING I was expecting. Namely, all of what was said in â��the Daily Kosâ�� was either innuendo, speculation, or quoting someone else who is providing innuendo or speculation. Just more pablum for the masses.

Ron

Well, like I said, there are and will be no data for quite a while.Natch, I didn't think that would satisfy you.

However.

There is such a thing as the burden of proof. When you take away overtime income from millions of poor and middle class workers, it follows pretty logically that their income will go down, not up.

What I provided was a lot of info and data on why the projections of the government seemed way off base, and therefore their economic justifications for the legislation.

Why do you think this legislation will not have a big negative impact on millions of people?

Well, see, that's the problem - the ASSUMPTION was that the overhaul would "take away overtime income from millions of poor and middle class workers" - but who was it pushing that ASSUMPTION as though it were based on facts? The answer? Those who stood the most to gain by NOT changing the rules - the UNIONS, whose rank and file would GAIN overtime WITHOUT the union getting all the credit, and whose executives MIGHT actually LOSE the "right" to overtime because they earned over $100,000 a year.
I don't think it will have a large NEGATIVE impact because, as I said, those in the middle whose reclassification might make overtime OPTIONAL ( but not a RIGHT ) will CONTINUE to get it ( or they will threaten to enter into collective bargaining ) while millions will gain the RIGHT to overtime.

09/27/2004 10:39:56 PM · #62

Originally posted by RonB:

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by RonB:

Actually, it gave me NONE of what I was looking for, but EVERYTHING I was expecting. Namely, all of what was said in â��the Daily Kosâ�� was either innuendo, speculation, or quoting someone else who is providing innuendo or speculation. Just more pablum for the masses.

Ron

Well, like I said, there are and will be no data for quite a while.Natch, I didn't think that would satisfy you.

However.

There is such a thing as the burden of proof. When you take away overtime income from millions of poor and middle class workers, it follows pretty logically that their income will go down, not up.

What I provided was a lot of info and data on why the projections of the government seemed way off base, and therefore their economic justifications for the legislation.

Why do you think this legislation will not have a big negative impact on millions of people?
Well, see, that's the problem - the ASSUMPTION was that the overhaul would "take away overtime income from millions of poor and middle class workers" - but who was it pushing that ASSUMPTION as though it were based on facts? The answer? Those who stood the most to gain by NOT changing the rules - the UNIONS, whose rank and file would GAIN overtime WITHOUT the union getting all the credit, and whose executives MIGHT actually LOSE the "right" to overtime because they earned over $100,000 a year.
I don't think it will have a large NEGATIVE impact because, as I said, those in the middle whose reclassification might make overtime OPTIONAL ( but not a RIGHT ) will CONTINUE to get it ( or they will threaten to enter into collective bargaining ) while millions will gain the RIGHT to overtime.

***I think we're going to have to wait and see and come back here in say a year to know the impact of these rules changes, but I would bet that it will have a negative impact for most American workers, and have a negative impact for the US economy overall, as this will not spur any new job creation, and employers will now be able to mandate overtime without having to pay for it, and at the same time save on the costs of training new employees and their benefits.

Why would any employer want to pay their employees overtime if they don't have to? Especially in today's businesses where middle management executives are under intense pressure to show increasing profits month after month.

As for those making $23,000 and under, well, they don't gain all that much, really, since for starters, they are making measly rate pay, and secondly, they don't really have much in the way of job security and so may be illegally denied overtime pay, even when they are legally entitled to it.

09/27/2004 10:59:17 PM · #63

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

but I would bet that it will have a negative impact for most American workers

I'll take that bet. If fact I'll bet most people won't even notice it.

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Why would any employer want to pay their employees overtime if they don't have to? Especially in today's businesses where middle management executives are under intense pressure to show increasing profits month after month.

Because it's hard to find good workers, and if your competiton pays OT, it's even harder if you are not.

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

As for those making $23,000 and under, well, they don't gain all that much, really, since for starters, they are making measly rate pay, and secondly, they don't really have much in the way of job security and so may be illegally denied overtime pay, even when they are legally entitled to it.

Good arguments here;
What's a few extra dollars to someone that doesn't have much??? We should just raise there taxes too since they have so little they wouldn't miss a little more.
or... The evil companies will just find a way to screw them anyway. FYI, FLSA laws are taken very seriously and there are several lawyers that make a great living bringing up nothing but these cases. Only a very stupid company would try to do something like that.

09/27/2004 10:59:47 PM · #64

Originally posted by louddog:

Originally posted by gingerbaker:
When you take away overtime income from millions of poor and middle class workers, it follows pretty logically that their income will go down, not up.

Other then people that earn over $100,000 (who are not poor or middle class) who are these millions that are losing overtime??? Name some professions.

Anyone?

09/27/2004 11:18:47 PM · #65

Originally posted by louddog:

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Originally posted by gingerbaker:

Originally posted by ericlimon:

Hi! I interrupt other peoples conversations, in order to make the forum a better place :)

Hi! I spew political opinions and cause anguish between people with opposing views in order to make the forums a better place!

If you don't want to participate in the political discussions in the Rant section of the photography section - then don't. Nobody is bending your arm.

But what you are doing is a deliberate campaign of disruption, of sabotage. Your message with your pictures is: "I don't like your conversations, so I will disrupt them with an irrelevant picture".

Translation: I don't value your opinions or your right to express them, so I will interrupt them.

You are acting like a child who doesn't want anybody to enjoy themselves, if they can't too.

If you have a point to make to me or any of the other "opinion spewers" about our political opinions or our tactics - then make them and try to improve the discussion.

If you only have the energy or heart to passively insult us , why not save your energy, stop reading the rant political threads, and go take some pictures?

***I think you lost this, Louddog

09/27/2004 11:50:55 PM · #66

The only thing that's mine in that post is the picture, and I didn't lose it. I know exactly where it is. What are you getting at?

09/27/2004 11:53:27 PM · #67

Originally posted by louddog:

The only thing that's mine in that post is the picture, and I didn't lose it. I know exactly where it is. What are you getting at?

***Why did you post it and what's it got to do with the subject of this forum?

09/27/2004 11:57:49 PM · #68

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Originally posted by louddog:
The only thing that's mine in that post is the picture, and I didn't lose it. I know exactly where it is. What are you getting at?

***Why did you post it and what's it got to do with the subject of this forum?

Because I felt like. Now answer at least one of my questions, who is losing their overtime, or what were you getting at in that last post about me losing something.

And... since you have no comment on my critique of you previous post about the FLSA changes I'm guessing you are just chosing to hope it goes away.

BTW, nice attempt at changing the subjects.

09/27/2004 11:59:52 PM · #69

Or... tell me how much you are willing to wager on the bet you proposed.

09/28/2004 12:03:34 AM · #70

Originally posted by louddog:

Originally posted by Olyuzi:

Originally posted by louddog:
The only thing that's mine in that post is the picture, and I didn't lose it. I know exactly where it is. What are you getting at?

***Why did you post it and what's it got to do with the subject of this forum?

Because I felt like. Now answer at least one of my questions, who is losing their overtime, or what were you getting at in that last post about me losing something.

And... since you have no comment on my critique of you previous post about the FLSA changes I'm guessing you are just chosing to hope it goes away.

BTW, nice attempt at changing the subjects.

***Oh, I also found this picture in the Countries al Qaeda Operated In As of November 10, 2001 forum thread:

You really need to be more careful with your valued items...they seem to be strewn about in different political rant forums here on DPC.

09/28/2004 12:05:53 AM · #71

So what, here is another.

Answer any one of my questions if you are capable.

09/28/2004 12:08:03 AM · #72

By the way, I like this image

09/28/2004 12:08:17 AM · #73

Originally posted by louddog:

So what, here is another.

Answer any one of my questions if you are capable.

***Well, I don't feel like it right now...maybe later.