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09/19/2014 07:36:42 PM · #1 |
Hell, even *I* wouldn't do this. (probably... maybe)
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09/19/2014 07:39:46 PM · #2 |
| The alligator seemed pretty cool with all the attention :) |
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09/19/2014 09:11:05 PM · #3 |
Not that dangerous really, you could see the crocodiles were smiling.
I felt more afraid from the skyscraper kids you posted a few weeks back.
I think you like this genre of extreme photography. So do I. |
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09/20/2014 01:39:21 PM · #4 |
Sorry to be a buzz-killer, but this sort of "creature-antagonizing" scenario, for the sake of getting a great shot, is objectionable. The 'gator was surrounded by potential enemies poking at it with strange objects. There is no way it would have been amused or entertained, unless it was also being fed.
On the other hand, lowering oneself into the water in a cage so that sharks can swarm about you is another thing altogether. |
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09/20/2014 03:31:17 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Sorry to be a buzz-killer, but this sort of "creature-antagonizing" scenario, for the sake of getting a great shot, is objectionable. The 'gator was surrounded by potential enemies poking at it with strange objects. There is no way it would have been amused or entertained, unless it was also being fed.
On the other hand, lowering oneself into the water in a cage so that sharks can swarm about you is another thing altogether. |
big +1 here. Let's see Mr hotshot photog go in there and get shots with all that rigging to hold, and no wrangler to help taunt/fend off the croc.
Message edited by author 2014-09-20 15:33:33. |
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09/20/2014 11:20:25 PM · #6 |
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09/20/2014 11:52:09 PM · #7 |
| I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
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09/21/2014 06:45:56 AM · #8 |
| yes and just think of the lovely handbags that can be made when they have had their fun |
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09/21/2014 09:30:06 AM · #9 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
So, should it ever happen that your home is rudely invaded by a couple of weird freakish creatures of another species - and no I am not including teenagers or your in-laws - who are intent on flashing bright lights in your face and pushing you around with a pointy object, for no apparent reason other than to really piss you off and *guide with a gentle touch*, and continue to do so until they are happy with the results, then you won't have a problem with that?
OK...good to know.
Message edited by author 2014-09-21 09:33:25. |
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09/21/2014 11:16:03 AM · #10 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
So, should it ever happen that your home is rudely invaded by a couple of weird freakish creatures of another species - and no I am not including teenagers or your in-laws - who are intent on flashing bright lights in your face and pushing you around with a pointy object, for no apparent reason other than to really piss you off and *guide with a gentle touch*, and continue to do so until they are happy with the results, then you won't have a problem with that?
OK...good to know. |
So where in the video do you see that the crocs got pissed off? They were in their own territory, could have hissed if they felt threatened or angered, or even attacked.
Don't tell me that you took my comment about them smiling seriously. |
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09/21/2014 02:53:56 PM · #11 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
So, should it ever happen that your home is rudely invaded by a couple of weird freakish creatures of another species - and no I am not including teenagers or your in-laws - who are intent on flashing bright lights in your face and pushing you around with a pointy object, for no apparent reason other than to really piss you off and *guide with a gentle touch*, and continue to do so until they are happy with the results, then you won't have a problem with that?
OK...good to know. |
That happens every time the police serve a "no knock" warrant. |
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09/21/2014 03:03:46 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
I appreciate your trying to put a light spin on this but for me, corralling wild animals and taunting them for the sheer purpose of "getting a great picture" ranks right up there with shooting corralled buffalo "for sport". It's "unsportsman-like".
Based solely on what is visible in the video, this croc wasn't given an option as to whether to participate or not in all the "fun". He was surrounded on all sides. He was certainly being "poked at" (even if not touched), which is an antagonizing action. That he didn't attack is very fortunate for the photographer and his assistants. |
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09/21/2014 04:41:18 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
I don't know what you ladies are carrying on about. What you say is just a croc (pun intended ;). These crocodiles were treated with kid gloves. Poking them and antagonizing them could have been suicidal. The poles were used to guide them with a gentle touch. |
I appreciate your trying to put a light spin on this but for me, corralling wild animals and taunting them for the sheer purpose of "getting a great picture" ranks right up there with shooting corralled buffalo "for sport". It's "unsportsman-like".
Based solely on what is visible in the video, this croc wasn't given an option as to whether to participate or not in all the "fun". He was surrounded on all sides. He was certainly being "poked at" (even if not touched), which is an antagonizing action. That he didn't attack is very fortunate for the photographer and his assistants. |
Well, I guess we disagree on our perceptions of the encounter. |
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09/21/2014 05:03:12 PM · #14 |
These guys are wimps... I saw a video where a video guy went into the underwater caves along the banks where the Crocs or Alligators (I can't remember which on that video) sleep and put the camera and bright lights in their faces... they didn't have sticks either and it was in very tight spaces.
I don't see anything wrong with this... they were not hurting the Croc and they were a lot gentler than cattle or sheep herders are. I'm sure it's a lot more annoying to the sheep to have some yappy dog nipping at their butts to move them across hill and dale than it was for the Croc. But then, if the Croc turned on them and got a piece or two, they would have gotten what they deserved... although in most cases when a wild animal reacts as expected, they are killed so they don't get the idea they can do it to anyone, which is wrong in my opinion.
Mike
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09/21/2014 05:07:08 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
... although in most cases when a wild animal reacts as expected, they are killed so they don't get the idea they can do it to anyone, which is wrong in my opinion.
Mike |
It is indeed sad that we encroach on the domain of an animal and when it does react the way one would think they would we are ever so quick to kill it.
Sad that.
Ray |
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09/21/2014 06:54:02 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by MikeJ:
These guys are wimps... I saw a video where a video guy went into the underwater caves along the banks where the Crocs or Alligators (I can't remember which on that video) sleep and put the camera and bright lights in their faces... they didn't have sticks either and it was in very tight spaces.
I don't see anything wrong with this... they were not hurting the Croc and they were a lot gentler than cattle or sheep herders are. I'm sure it's a lot more annoying to the sheep to have some yappy dog nipping at their butts to move them across hill and dale than it was for the Croc. But then, if the Croc turned on them and got a piece or two, they would have gotten what they deserved... although in most cases when a wild animal reacts as expected, they are killed so they don't get the idea they can do it to anyone, which is wrong in my opinion.
Mike |
When you put it that way it does seem very tame compared to horse whips and cattle prods.
Not much different than people crowding animals at a national park. |
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09/21/2014 06:54:44 PM · #17 |
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09/21/2014 07:09:35 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by nygold:
...When you put it that way it does seem very tame compared to horse whips and cattle prods.
Not much different than people crowding animals at a national park. |
I don't condone cattle prods but they, like *horse whips*...whatever you mean by that! Quirts? Dressage whips? Driving whips? Lunge whips? Cross-country bats?
But whips, like spurs and bits, are all just pieces of equipment.
It's HOW they are used by the person wielding them that matters. When I trained horses for a living, I rarely ever wore spurs and when I had to I only used them as much as necessary; I never drew blood from a horse's mouth through use of an extremely harsh bit; and I've never raised welts on a horse from excessive and heavy-handed whipping.
But of course I saw, and sometimes worked for, people who DID go to extremes and cause damage.
Therein lies the difference between using a piece of equipment well, and using it in an abusive manner.
A hammer can be used to drive a nail or smash in a skull. Does that make a hammer a *bad* piece of equipment?
Message edited by Bear_Music - fixed quote. |
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09/21/2014 07:36:16 PM · #19 |
I was just responding to  Mikej's post.
I think his point was that many more farm animals are tortured by their keepers than croc's by photographers.
Just for the record I don't agree with any of it.
Also for the record a hammer wasn't designed to zap the snot out of an animal.
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09/21/2014 07:58:47 PM · #20 |
there is nothing to argue about. we as humans ( for the most part ) have become the top of the chain of command. and we have yet to completely understand the balance between genocide and sustainability when it comes to our own species - and more so with others.
i doubt the balance will ever be met. and it's unfortunate. but prodding one for one thing while millions of others do the same or worse ( while we all accept it as normal ) behind the scenes is no solution to a problem that will bite us in the ass in the long run...
Message edited by author 2014-09-21 19:59:21. |
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09/21/2014 08:57:37 PM · #21 |
Originally posted by nygold:
I was just responding to Mikej's post.
I think his point was that many more farm animals are tortured by their keepers than croc's by photographers.
Just for the record I don't agree with any of it.
Also for the record a hammer wasn't designed to zap the snot out of an animal. |
True, which is why I don't like cattle prods. FWIW though livestock (in some states horses are considered *companion animals, aka pets*, which makes me wince) - including poultry, and anything eaten by us - is almost always treated better on small farms than the gigantic factory farms in the Midwest. I've cared for cattle and sheep that I have also eaten later that year. I could and did do so in good conscience cause I knew what they ate, how they lived, how they had been cared for during the 18 months or so previous.
Now, cheap ground beef out of a tube at the local Wally-world...? Yeah, good luck with that!
And yes  soup I agree with you too. There are books out there like the Third Plate (everyone should read it), most of Mike Pollan's work etc that do help educate some of us as to the hellhole in which we are sending everything...but sadly, not enough people are listening, let alone understanding or gawd ferbid taking steps to change thw status quo. *sigh*....
Message edited by author 2014-09-21 20:58:12. |
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09/21/2014 08:58:19 PM · #22 |
Life is so unfair for some creatures.
Just the other day I saw a slew of poor little frogs confined to wheelchairs... and all that because some ritzy folks like frog legs :O(
It's enough to make a grown man cry.
Ray
Message edited by author 2014-09-21 20:58:43. |
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09/21/2014 11:03:00 PM · #23 |
Originally posted by snaffles:
...When you put it that way it does seem very tame compared to horse whips and cattle prods.
Not much different than people crowding animals at a national park. |
Originally posted by snaffles:
I don't condone cattle prods but they, like *horse whips*...whatever you mean by that! Quirts? Dressage whips? Driving whips? Lunge whips? Cross-country bats?
But whips, like spurs and bits, are all just pieces of equipment.
It's HOW they are used by the person wielding them that matters. When I trained horses for a living, I rarely ever wore spurs and when I had to I only used them as much as necessary; I never drew blood from a horse's mouth through use of an extremely harsh bit; and I've never raised welts on a horse from excessive and heavy-handed whipping.
But of course I saw, and sometimes worked for, people who DID go to extremes and cause damage.
Therein lies the difference between using a piece of equipment well, and using it in an abusive manner.
A hammer can be used to drive a nail or smash in a skull. Does that make a hammer a *bad* piece of equipment? |
A camera is a piece of equipment as well. So how is that you can use yours to condone and glorify rodeos, an event that has been shown over and over again, to be cruel, abusive, and dangerous to the animals forced to endure its tortures?
Message edited by author 2014-09-21 23:07:11. |
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09/22/2014 12:03:22 AM · #24 |
Wusses : P
Message edited by author 2014-09-22 09:23:38. |
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09/22/2014 07:44:43 AM · #25 |
Originally posted by Olyuzi:
[quote=snaffles] ...When you put it that way it does seem very tame compared to horse whips and cattle prods.
Not much different than people crowding animals at a national park. |
That was my quote not  Snaffles. |
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