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09/20/2004 12:58:24 PM · #1 |
Hi guys, I have more photos that I would like critiquing!
They're from a very small music festival that happened here in Hudderfield a couple of weekends ago... now I'm happy that I'm not entering any of them into the free challenge, I've put them all in my portfolio.
Please let me know what you think...
    
    
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09/21/2004 05:44:21 AM · #2 |
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09/21/2004 05:57:24 AM · #3 |
Critiquing? Theres nothing constructive I can say! They all look great to me.
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09/21/2004 07:08:47 AM · #4 |
Okay, thanks!
What do people reckon are the best ones then?
Cheers,
Bob |
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09/21/2004 10:51:16 AM · #5 |
morning, bob!
as always, great shooting. the key to this, as you know, is shoot, shoot, shoot, and shoot. with digital, you should should be coming away with an easy 150 images per hour average at a live show, especially if you have the ability to move around. (i know that sounds like a lot, but it's barely 2 images a minute, and that's nothing when you're watching a live, dynamic performance. it also makes it more likely that you are going to actually capture that 1-in-a-million split-second expression or emotion.)
facial expressions, lighting, and hands on instruments are key elements.
#s 1,2,3,4, & 10 are great captures, very expressive
#11 would be better if the other arm wasn't cropped out.
#6 would be better if you could see all of both hands
#s 12 & 13 are cropped too close to the top of the heads; need just a little more head room to balance the amount of torso you've included.
like the colors in #14, but for a shot like that, you should boost your iso so that you can get a razor sharp image from a higher shutter speed. concert photos are like sports action photos: you either have to have a lot of blur or none, in addition to dead-on focus.
of the ones here, i'd toss #s 5,8, & 9 (can't visually connect with subject).
#7: would probably like it more without the foreground. even though he's looking down, it is an interesting capture.
good luck, and keep posting!
Message edited by author 2004-09-21 11:01:27. |
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09/21/2004 11:01:15 AM · #6 |
| Thanks for the feedback... very useful, as at some point I'm going to put a portfolio together to try and get myself some pro assignments. |
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09/21/2004 11:07:43 AM · #7 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
at some point I'm going to put a portfolio together to try and get myself some pro assignments. |
if you haven't done so already, hook up with a band. if you haven't, get some prints and approach someone in a band. they can get you access so that you can shoot up a completely kick-ass portfolio. (not to mention, the opportunity to shoot more interesting shots than the standard ones...)
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09/21/2004 11:16:58 AM · #8 |
| You know, all the ones I've approached so far haven't been interested... or not very enthusiastic. I don't want to waste my time (and it is very precious) on a band that isn't going to appreciate it. But yep, that was my next step. |
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09/21/2004 11:24:52 AM · #9 |
| i know exactly what you mean. it's so weird, that fine line between having an ego and wanting to behave like a celebrity. some bands are made up of all jerks, or they try to come across that way. sometimes, it just takes having a decent relationship with one band member who can appreciate your art and how your art compliments their art. sometimes, it takes a while for a band to get used to seeing you around, with your camera, before they'll trust you enough to let you into 'the inner circle.' sooner or later, you'll hit one...you've definitely got an eye for it. |
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09/21/2004 11:30:12 AM · #10 |
My very favs are : "Serotonin" and "Mr. Shiraz" , both are absolutely fantastic !!! WOW !
But I don't like "DJ Second Class Citizen" , maybe with a diffrent cropping ...
Thanks for sharing! |
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09/21/2004 11:40:22 AM · #11 |
Great analysis/critiques, skiprow...I learned a lot just by reading your post, thank you!
Overall, very nice Bob!
I agree, though, if I was in a band and was approached by a photographer I didn't know I wouldn't be that responsive...it's more about relationship than about quality of photos, I guess. I dunno. |
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09/21/2004 12:00:33 PM · #12 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Great analysis/critiques, skiprow...I learned a lot just by reading your post, thank you!
Overall, very nice Bob!
I agree, though, if I was in a band and was approached by a photographer I didn't know I wouldn't be that responsive...it's more about relationship than about quality of photos, I guess. I dunno. |
Well, I'm a musician, and have been in plenty of bands. If a photographer had approached me, I would have taken it VERY seriously. Band marketing is VITAL, and if a photographer had shown interest, there's no way I would have let that slip out of my hands.
Thanks for the other comments folks! |
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09/21/2004 12:08:43 PM · #13 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Great analysis/critiques, skiprow...I learned a lot just by reading your post, thank you!
Overall, very nice Bob!
I agree, though, if I was in a band and was approached by a photographer I didn't know I wouldn't be that responsive...it's more about relationship than about quality of photos, I guess. I dunno. |
Well, I'm a musician, and have been in plenty of bands. If a photographer had approached me, I would have taken it VERY seriously. Band marketing is VITAL, and if a photographer had shown interest, there's no way I would have let that slip out of my hands.
Thanks for the other comments folks! |
Yeah, I guess the bands I listen to or have gotten to know are much lower-key...their only marketing is their music and they are dead-broke because of their style of music (limited demographic) so further marketing wouldn't do them much good. |
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09/21/2004 12:15:43 PM · #14 |
| Great shots Bobster. My favorites are 1,2,3,7,10,13 |
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09/21/2004 12:21:02 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by JPR:
Great shots Bobster. My favorites are 1,2,3,7,10,13 |
Thanks... I love your urban shots. I just looked at your portfolio to find out which ones I liked the best, and saw you've added some more incredible shots. Great stuff! |
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09/21/2004 12:47:50 PM · #16 |
I personally like 8 & 9. I agree they are low key and don't reach out and grab with the same strength, but there is a special intimate feel they impart to me. I can visualize the musician going through a composition moment or something when I look at them. Just an opinion. All great shots, Bob!
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09/21/2004 12:50:13 PM · #17 |
Thanks Kylie!
How's it going with the new camera? |
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09/21/2004 12:50:59 PM · #18 |
Originally posted by thatcloudthere:
Great analysis/critiques, skiprow...I learned a lot just by reading your post, thank you! |
no, thank you
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Well, I'm a musician, and have been in plenty of bands. If a photographer had approached me, I would have taken it VERY seriously. Band marketing is VITAL, and if a photographer had shown interest, there's no way I would have let that slip out of my hands. |
from a common sense standpoint, you're right, but you have to keep in mind that there is a keen distinction between artistic sense and business sense.
i hate making a mountain out of a molehill, especially if what you really want to do is get paid for shooting something you enjoy, but i'll risk it...
to get paid for anything, you are immediately competing with others who want to get paid, and for many of them, that is their professional income--not just a few extra bucks from a hobby. every day, these guys are competing to protect their turf, and if you really want a piece of their pie, you are going to have to compete, and you will have to do it effectively. this means establishing both relationships and a reputation. it also means taking the time to build an operating infrastructure (what a gross term).
what do i mean by that?
1) build a decent website for yourself. to compete, you have to set yourself apart--you can't just point customers and prospects to images hosted by xyz.com and expect them to be impressed.
2)build a solid workflow pattern that allows you to take, process, catalog, and publish your images quickly.
3)register a simple domain (pixbybob vs bobrosephotography).
4)shoot, shoot, shoot, & shoot. find your best of the best and make them easy to find on your website.
5)give band members and their managers your card, just saying check it out. some will, some won't. in marketing, it takes a minimum of 5 impressions to turn a suspect into a prospect (an impression meaning a visual registration of fact, such as seeing a billboard) (a suspect meaning someone who you think could use your services, but you have not had an in-depth encounter with, as yet). as i mentioned earlier, it might take a number of times for some people to get used to seeing you around with a camera before they open up to you. it's just a matter of sticking with it, and being low-key.
these are just some ideas off the top of my head. on one hand, you might be able to get lucky without having to do too much; on the other, if you really want it, you might have to create your own luck.
another alternative to consider would be to bypass the bands altogether and take your portfolio directly to band management agencies. you'd still be competing, but if you win, you'll be working at a higher level. |
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09/21/2004 01:03:48 PM · #19 |
Originally posted by BobsterLobster:
Thanks Kylie!
How's it going with the new camera? |
The new 7590 is absolutely the most incredible thing I have ever owned! Can you tell I am in love with it????
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