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08/16/2013 01:54:17 AM · #1
I got the EOS M at such a bargain, I could not say no. In time I may come to like it as I will become more and more dependent on a small/lighter system.

My questions to all of you who has a DSLR AND a Micro 3/4th system are:
- Are you satisfied with the quality of images?
- Would you recommend your mirror-less system and why?
- What frustrates you?
- What pleases you?
- Would you buy the system again or what else would you consider?
- And whatever you, from personal experience, would like to share, please? Is this a really worth-it, rewarding option?

Consider $1,200 the ceiling as one could now get the new Canon 70D for that price.
08/16/2013 02:09:06 AM · #2
I have a Samsung NX1000 - mirrorless, but not micro 3/4. I like that you can still change lenses, but hate that I don't have a viewfinder. The images turn out looking pretty good - some even better than my 50D puts out.
I like the fun little artistic settings you can play with, but feel that when it comes to shooting manual, I am too limited by this camera. Only other gripe is that focusing is not fast enough.
Would I buy this again? No. I would want a faster system with a viewfinder and FULL control using manual.
08/16/2013 08:50:08 AM · #3
At the moment I own both the Panasonic GH2 and the Olympus OMD-5. I have been a very pleased member of the micro 4/3 experience. The GH2 is an older model, but I still use it primarily for video. I am totally satisfied with the quality of my images. I have full manual control...very fast focusing...all in a size that does not become heavy and cumbersome to use on a daily basis. The Olympus OMD has a revoluntairy stabilization system in it that allows you to take photos in very low light conditions hand-held....I was amazed!! I have read several stories where users suffer from Parkinson's or other medical conditions and the Olympus OMD has allowed them to enjoy photography again because of it's light weight and stabilization system. I can't say anything really frustrates me at this time...just the same old complaints---> I wish I had more money to invest in lenses!! I smile every time I pick up the Olympus OMD-5....it is truly smaller in size...very light even with a telephoto lens on...all of my equipment fits into a smaller bag ( using the Crumpler 5 million dollar bag for camera and three lenses). I used to feel like it was a chore lugging my old DSLR around...many times opting to just not bring it with me....not any more! The lenses are a good value...my coveted 20mm 1.7 was $300. My Olympus 45mm 1.8 is perhaps my favorite lens....you have to remember that the focal length doubles when using the mirror less system....so a 45mm is like using a 90mm on a non mirrorless camera.....just like my telephoto lens that is 45mm-200mm is more like 85mm to 400mm. Also with cheap adapters you can adapt almost any older lens to these cameras...the focusing is manual tho. I have used all my older OM glass with both my Panasonic and Olympus cameras...I have picked up lens at thrift stores and garage sales for $10 to $30 dollars...purchased a $20.00 adapter and I am enjoying playing around with them...the older lens are magical and different...and, the old-fashioned feel of manual focusing brings me back to the time I was just discovering photography in my youth! I am sticking with the mirrorless system, and I do not intend on changing...this new technology is exciting and fun.....it has brought the joy of photography back into my life in so many ways...and, I have always been a little outside the box!! I would look into the Olympus OMD-5 which has come down in price recently. Also take a look at this group of people who are passionate about mirrorless>> //www.mu-43.com There are many professional photographers on this website that sing the praises of mirror-less, and just common folks like me who enjoy it too. I am a member of this website...read the forums and look at the photographs...we also have a buy & sell forum, and I have picked up several items from fellow posters and have never had a problem with buying or selling. If you have any more questions I would be happy to answer them for you...I can show you sample photographs too of my work....it is a great camera system, and in my opinion really life-changing as far as my photography needs has changed and evolved.....
08/16/2013 10:20:19 AM · #4
If I was buying a camera I would go for the micro 4/3. I like what people say about it.

IMO it's most important to have a camera with me all the time. I like the activity of looking for pictures. So I would recommend that you consider a smart phone for the camera in addition to whichever camera you buy.

A little pocket camera can be lots of fun. I put mine on the end of a monopod to get high-angle shots. And I can operate it safely while driving (or I think I can--so far I have).

A variety of cameras helps me get a bigger variety of shots, experiment with new techniques.

Message edited by author 2013-08-16 10:26:41.
08/16/2013 09:17:48 PM · #5
I've got the Olympus E-PL1 which is rather outdated technology. I have two frustrations with the camera - lack of a viewfinder and focusing problems. The autofocus is rather slow and really struggles in low light. I've had a look at the OMD though and I was really impressed by its focusing capabilities. The main thing holding me back from buying one is the thought that a newer model will come out as soon as I buy it. Already the EP5 has some features that I'd dearly love which the OMD hasn't got.

On the positive side I love the size of my Olympus and hardly ever take my Canon 7D out with me any more.
08/16/2013 09:39:09 PM · #6
I have the Panasonic G5 which I like. However, my G5 is a little "lens poor"--since all I have is the 14-42 kit and the 100-300 (200-600).

I probably would have picked the OM-D over the G5 if not for a few nits:

1) Poor grip on the OM-D unless you buy the vertical grip. The G5 has a wonderful chunky grip. I can carry it around without a strap easily.
2) Price--the OM-D is almost double what the G5 goes for..I paid under 500 for the G5 with the kit lens.
3) Non-fully articulating LCD on the OM-D (the G5 is fully, and also has touch, including touch focus.)

Downsides of the G5 (or the new G6)
1) No in body stabilization
2) Good but not *outstanding* pics. This could be a function of my current lense choices. My RX100 often makes me smile when I see how good they come out. I've had less luck with the panny.
3) Easy to accidentally press buttons since body is small.

Other things I like on the G5:
1) Focus on the Panny is very quick and accurate.

2) One touch button puts the camera out of any "mode" you are in, and in a very good automatic mode. To hand the camera to someone to take a pic, just press the button first and they are good to go. Also good if you are doing something like HDR, and you just want to take a quick pic, it works.

3) Size and more importantly lens size is great.

And for both cameras, my gripe

1) Lenses are more expensive now than equivalent APS-C lenses, even though they are not nearly as bright. The Panny 7-14mm is something like $900 now...you can get the Sigma 10-20 for an APS-C camera for half that. The new Panny 35-100 F2.8 (70-200) is around $1200, even though it lets in less light than an F4 equivalent on a crop SLR. The panny 14-140 is also pretty expensive...I bought it when I bought the camera but returned it because someone offered me one used. Then I held off...good thing, since now there's a lighter version of it coming out soon.

Message edited by author 2013-08-16 21:40:04.
08/17/2013 09:51:54 AM · #7
I have a Canon EOS-5D Mark II that I hardly use since purchasing an Olympus Pen E-P2 years ago. It's time for an upgrade but I really don't have any complaints. I will be buying another Olympus Micro 4/3 at some point. What sold me on Olympus over Panasonic was the in body image stabilizer. I don't want to upgrade a lens to get better image stabilization. I think image quality might be a little better with the Canon SLR using L glass. I can see the difference when shooting macros. If you primarily use a tripod or shoot in a studio the Canon would be my first choice. If you want something with you while you're out and about then Micro 4/3 is tough to beat. Heck, if you use a pancake lens it will fit in your coat pocket. Also, I find the Olympus Pen more fun to use.
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