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08/30/2004 10:30:53 PM · #26 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
Gordon - Your photographs have been an inspiration for me, but you seem to have outgrown this site. That's great news! You just have to figure out what's next for you. I sincerely hope you're as successful with that as you have been here. |
This is the comment I dislike the most when these issues come up. I think DPC should remain the romper room of the online photographic community too... it should not grow into something that supports all levels of photography. Once you graduate from here, you get to go out into the real world :) Good luck while the rest of us are still learning to use the potty. Maybe we will meet again one day. Until then, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya :) I can see this argument coming from beginners. If you want to win ribbons, run off all the 'competition' :) Abandon those who inspire you. You, yourself, said that Gordon's photos have been an inspiration to you and then you follow up by sweeping him out the door... excellent plan :)
Come on now... If you really thought this, why should anyone with any photographic ingenuity even bother to come here?
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08/30/2004 10:32:51 PM · #27 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Originally posted by micknewton:
Seriously, what kind(s) of changes were you hoping for? |
New inspiration, expanded horizons, exciting new members with radically interesting styles, new challenges, growth, that kind of thing. Things seem pretty much the same as when the member challenge and open challenge was introduced, same number of entries, mostly the same entrants. |
Sounds to me like you just need a vacation. Take some time off, forget about everything (maybe even photography), Find a nice beach somewhere, drink some good wine, flirt with a beautiful... ummm... person.
Damn! I need a vacation.
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08/30/2004 10:35:09 PM · #28 |
| Hmmm, in a mood for sarcasm this evening, John? :) |
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08/30/2004 10:40:26 PM · #29 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Hmmm, in a mood for sarcasm this evening, John? :) |
It is sarcastic but its the impression I get.
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08/30/2004 10:40:38 PM · #30 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Hmmm, in a mood for sarcasm this evening, John? :) |
With a side of spleens for good measure. :)
My understanding is that D&L need to finish up the DPC Prints upgrades before they can start focusing on the next set of changes/improvements to DPC proper.
The new and interesting members is an ongoing thing, and your mileage might vary there. Way I see it, you can renwe banking on the fact that there will be changes in the next year, or not renew and wait to see what new changes come along. Either way is a viable option.
But for $25 you get a spiffy little blue icon. ;)
Clara- and with 2 you get egg roll.
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08/30/2004 10:51:05 PM · #31 |
Here's a challenge for you Gordon. Create a photo that is even more popular than this one.
That should keep you busy for a while. Good luck! :)
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08/30/2004 10:51:44 PM · #32 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
This is the comment I dislike the most when these issues come up. I think DPC should remain the romper room of the online photographic community too... it should not grow into something that supports all levels of photography. Once you graduate from here, you get to go out into the real world :) Good luck while the rest of us are still learning to use the potty. Maybe we will meet again one day. Until then, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya :) I can see this argument coming from beginners. If you want to win ribbons, run off all the 'competition' :) Abandon those who inspire you. You, yourself, said that Gordon's photos have been an inspiration to you and then you follow up by sweeping him out the door... excellent plan :)
Come on now... If you really thought this, why should anyone with any photographic ingenuity even bother to come here? |
Wow, John, way to interpret everything I wrote in the absolute worst way possible.
It's clear from Gordon's post that he is no longer receiving any inspiration from this site - at least not whatever inspiration he's looking for. I would much rather that he continued to stay here for my own selfish purposes, but not if it's to his detriment.
You clearly have some problem that you're grappling with around this issue. I would prefer that you work it out without flaming people here who are trying to offer sincere and helpful advice.
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08/30/2004 10:52:01 PM · #33 |
Originally posted by blemt:
...Clara- and with 2 you get egg roll. |
Ahh, yes, Doris Day, Brian Keith... but wasn't it "with six you get eggroll?" |
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08/30/2004 10:54:11 PM · #34 |
Originally posted by kirbic:
Originally posted by blemt:
...Clara- and with 2 you get egg roll. |
Ahh, yes, Doris Day, Brian Keith... but wasn't it "with six you get eggroll?" |
Shuush! I'm on a diet. :) Lost 8 pounds since I shot for Nude II.
Clara
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08/30/2004 11:02:44 PM · #35 |
Originally posted by PhilipDyer:
You clearly have some problem that you're grappling with around this issue. I would prefer that you work it out without flaming people here who are trying to offer sincere and helpful advice. |
You are exactly right. I would love to see DPC grow to support more than it does now. I don't suggest 'moving on' as the solution. You would benefit more in the long run by this site attracting more high end photographers like Gordon. These issues have come up in the past, and each time someone asks about or suggests changes to the site to foster this type of growth, these same responses come up. They all seem to say "It's time for you to move on." I just don't understand the logic behind it.
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08/30/2004 11:14:46 PM · #36 |
Originally posted by jmsetzler:
They all seem to say "It's time for you to move on." I just don't understand the logic behind it. |
And I for one am truly glad that you don't understand the logic of that. If you did, you would have been gone with the 'jmsetzler is a whiny baby' controversy that started with you pulling your tutorials and such (a move that I supported you with totally, but was dissapointed that you did it...) If you had left then or now (and the same with Gordon or any of the 'better' photogs around here) this would be a lesser quality site!
I have no problem placing below any photographer here in the challenges and am thrilled to tears when I manage to get close! It helps to drive me to do better and has inspired me to not enter every challenge just because I can! (though if you look at my more recent challenge contributions you might think I lost that view :-P)
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08/30/2004 11:20:46 PM · #37 |
Edit: Guess this whole thread has taken a turn into left field, from what I entered.
Message edited by author 2004-08-30 23:23:41. |
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08/30/2004 11:25:05 PM · #38 |
Nothing has changed in the last year?
Didn't we get the thread options (watch, ignore, notify, etc..)?
Didn't we get the upgrade of seeing thumsnails for our current challenge shots?
Haven't there been more free study challenges?
Don't we have frames now for our prints?
Aren't we close to getting mattes as well?
I think a lot has changed in the last year & I am sure we have lots to look forward to in the next year.
Even if we didn't have all this, is this site not great enough as is to continue to enjoy sharing & competing with your shots?
Dunno about you, but I sure think it's worth renewing!
Gordon, I think we would miss your shots if you did not.
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08/30/2004 11:55:48 PM · #39 |
I think the price of membership is cheap for what you get here. It is a no-brainer for me. I just want to support the place. But please, I don't mean any insensitivity to those that the money is a hardship; I am speaking more to those who feel they have a choice but don't know if they want it.
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08/31/2004 12:35:39 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Is there anything coming down the pipe in terms of changes in format or expanded ideas that would make it worth renewing membership ? |
Ummmmmm.............. We love you man!!!.........ISN'T THAT ENOUGH!?!?!?!?!?!?
Message edited by author 2004-08-31 00:37:14. |
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08/31/2004 02:35:21 AM · #41 |
I had no idea that me posting a note of congratulations and encouragement to Gordon could be misinterpreted to such a degree. I guess I need to be more careful in my wording from now on. Gordon, I hope you are able to find all of the inspiration you want right here since I think that this site is much better with you here. John, I think you're a very good photoographer.
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08/31/2004 05:56:53 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Remie:
If you all know it so well Gordon, why don't you start your own site then? After all - as you proudly announced in other threads- you are a doctor and you do know how to operate a PDA in Houston.
You have been behaving like a complete ***hole in the forums lately and I think threatning not to renew your membership is very childish. After all, before competing on this site you where a complete nobody!
Instead of putting all your energy in pointless discussions, I suggest you use it to improve your skills in photography, because I haven't seen much improvement in that lately! |
Quite frankly this counts as the rudest and most childish response I have ever seen in DPC forums since I first joined the site rather a long time ago. It takes my breath away.
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I don't know quite why you suggest that Gordon has been an ***hole in the forums lately, most of the posts I read from him provide comprehensive and indepth responses that have been of great help to many of us looking to understand complex issues. Perhaps you read more into them than I see because of your own mind set? I don't know what the issue is here but it certainly seems to be about more than a simple and polite question about the site.
Gordon doesn't hide the fact that he has a doctorate - why should he - but I can't say I've seen him come across as egotistical or big-headed about it. All this stuff about being a nobody etc is also somewhat bizaare. Where does it come from? What is it about? It certainly seems not to be about the renewal question Gordon posed. Gordon has never presented himself as some kind of expert or "somebody" and actually I always feel he comes across as very modest about his own talents. I have to say that all you achieve is to come across as jealous or with some kind of chip on your shoulder.
Nor do I understand why a genuine and straight forward question asking for thoughts on reasons to renew generates such fury in you. Where is all the anger coming from?
I can understand a point made about the current formula being one that works but no one is suggesting scrapping what DPC is about. Adding to it and enhancing what is on offer can only serve to increase the allure of what is already a good site and to expand rather than narrow the membership base.
As both John and Gordon point out... it hardly benefits the site to ignore the needs of the most inspirational of members to the extent that they simply disappear since the ideal would be for people who have already (and recently) walked the learning path to stay and share advice to those of us still firmly near the start of it.
Yet some people seem to take any implication that the needs of other's have evolved as some kind of personal insult (because their own needs haven't yet? because they don't like the idea of the site being for people who are different to themselves? I don't know).
Gordon has not insulted you, other members or the site itself site in his initial post. Simply indicating that he as an individual may no longer be motivated by current features of the site does not imply that those features are worthless in any way. It simply shows that he personally feels less interested in those features at this time.
If he didn't care about the site he'd surely not renew and quietly drop out and fade away. Personally I think it's a sign of his interest in the ongoing success of the site to ask about and be interested in future development.
I really am still shocked by the bitchiness in your post not to mention utterly confused about where it's coming from.
Either enter into the discussion topic or stay out of it but please don't post just to hurl insults like a spoiled child.
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08/31/2004 06:31:18 AM · #43 |
Originally posted by Remie:
If you all know it so well Gordon, why don't you start your own site then? After all - as you proudly announced in other threads- you are a doctor and you do know how to operate a PDA in Houston.
You have been behaving like a complete ***hole in the forums lately and I think threatning not to renew your membership is very childish. After all, before competing on this site you where a complete nobody!
Instead of putting all your energy in pointless discussions, I suggest you use it to improve your skills in photography, because I haven't seen much improvement in that lately! |
Remie, Until this post I had never heard of you, frankly I wish it had stayed that way. I see you are quite a good photographer but looking at your comments made less than 7 per challenge that you have entered and less than 2 per challenge entered were helpfull it seems that you arn't willing to share your skills with others.
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That is a pity, I know that when I am lucky enough to have a comment from one of the many talented photographers at this site I listen and learn.
I sincerly hope Gordon and others like him stay and become instrumental in moulding a new era of dpc.
For me its all new and exciting but would I feel the same in a year? Don't think so.
Bob
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08/31/2004 06:38:31 AM · #44 |
Gordon mate the best reason to renew your membership is the fact that I AM HERE NOW and I need all the help I can get...
Actually the REAL reason to renew is simply that we have a community here and when we loose a member it hurts us all. Im only a part-time photographer and a much better songwriter but as an artist I would appreciate your sticking around even if it is just to help others better their photography. I looked at some of your comments and they are all constructive without negetivity. Up to you in the end mate but just letting you know my views.. we are a community and you are a part of it, that in itself is worth the $25..
thank you.
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08/31/2004 06:41:46 AM · #45 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
Just noticed my membership is coming up for renewal next month. Is there anything coming down the pipe in terms of changes in format or expanded ideas that would make it worth renewing membership ? Things seem to have pretty much stayed them same for the last year or so. Any plans to evolve and improve, other than the print side of things that I'm not interested in ? |
I must say since I joined over a year ago, I keep hearing about big plans and changes to this site, but have never know what they are?
I think perhaps if the SC shared their 'list' maybe people will be more willing to stick around?
I dunno.
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08/31/2004 07:36:56 AM · #46 |
It's about 50 trillion pages long :P
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08/31/2004 08:37:44 AM · #47 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
I think perhaps if the SC shared their 'list' maybe people will be more willing to stick around? |
The "list" is basically a bunch of very short summaries of most of the things that have been suggested in this forum ("Web Site Suggestions") with a link back to the thread where D&L can go to read the thread for more details, discussions, etc. For example:
Allow the summary of challenges in user profiles to be sorted by score (or any other column) by clicking on the column header (74915, 50972)
The "list" does not contain any of D&L's own ideas and thoughts for the future (unless they happen to co-incide with something that a user also suggested).
The "list" definitely does not have any sort of schedule associated with it. Not one single date.
So if you read this forum regularly, then you pretty much know what is on the list... but just because it is on the list doesn't mean a feature or suggestion will ever see the light of day!
Message edited by author 2004-08-31 08:40:38. |
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08/31/2004 08:38:03 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
I must say since I joined over a year ago, I keep hearing about big plans and changes to this site, but have never know what they are?
I think perhaps if the SC shared their 'list' maybe people will be more willing to stick around?
I dunno. |
Good question. If there is such a list (and schedule) for planned changes, can it be posted somewhere?
While the site has more than enough for me to continue to pay the $25 fee, I wouldn't mind paying more for added features, ...like more space for portfolio images.
A while ago there was some discussion of adding a feature (...at an additional cost to members) for wedding photographers to post and sell their work online - in password-protected areas for the customer. I believe Drew (or Langdon?) indicated that this was in the works. Is it still?
-len
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08/31/2004 08:53:22 AM · #49 |
As a brand new member i have to say that the variety of content on offer is poor compared to, for example, Sportshooter.com which is also $25 to join.
There could be a lot more on offer for folks to contribute images (surely the whole point of the site) out with the normal challenges. The home page is just plain dull as is the overall design, there is a certain lack of ambition here which is surprising considering the large paying and non paying community you have built up.
I've stated some cosmetic changes that I would like to see in another thread. From a practical point of view you need to reorganise the home page, provide more variety and cut the number of categories in the forum.
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08/31/2004 09:14:51 AM · #50 |
Originally posted by Article19:
As a brand new member i have to say that the variety of content on offer is poor compared to, for example, Sportshooter.com which is also $25 to join.
There could be a lot more on offer for folks to contribute images (surely the whole point of the site) out with the normal challenges. The home page is just plain dull as is the overall design, there is a certain lack of ambition here which is surprising considering the large paying and non paying community you have built up.
I've stated some cosmetic changes that I would like to see in another thread. From a practical point of view you need to reorganise the home page, provide more variety and cut the number of categories in the forum. |
$25/yr to support a site where I can build and display a portfolio for the entire world to see is a pittance. Considering the 1000s of people who frequent this place on a daily basis, I'd say I'm getting quite a bang for my buck. That, coupled with the opportunity to have my work critiqued and compared with that of my peers, gives me a unique chance to rise among those peers - assuming I'm diligent and talented enough to do that...;-)
And, as a Web developer, I believe the DPC site is navigationally and aesthetically very well designed. There's always room for improvement, but to say that the content is "poor" or the design is "dull" is (IMHO) an overstatement and quite a minority view...
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