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 11/24/2012 08:46:01 AM · #1
Okay......with the usual back and forth, the griping settling in to the typical background roar in the "Letter to Langdon" thread, I propose this.

Commit to doing something. Start side challenge. Vote. Comment. Help someone. Write a tutorial. Start a constructive thread. Donate a camera you've upgraded from to a needy DPCer.....it doesn't matter what it is, but DO something. I say we track it here, not to get the kudos, but to demonstrate the willingness to take the initiative to help this community.

Personally, after seeing the tone in so many threads that pick this site apart, griping constantly, and pretty much accuse Langdon of being dead weight, if it was mine, I think I'd say, "Screw you all, you ungrateful lot." and shut the site down.

Maybe we should demonstrate to Langdon that we *DO* appreciate the site, that we *DO* want it to continue, that it is special and unique, and most importantly, that *WE* as a community see it for the gold mine that it is.

Honestly, what's in it for Langdon to change things around to meet the demands of the day? The next bunch of griping when the next person's expectations aren't met?

Maybe it's this community that needs some overhauling with its attitudes and behaviors. I love this place. I get so much, and have gotten so much from this place I'm freakin' awed.

If you want to bitch, and you don't like things, it just doesn't suit you, or meet your expectations, then leave. Quietly......and don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out.

But before you do that, ask yourself how much on this site is really different than when you first signed on thinking this was a pretty cool place. How many features are no longer available? How have the rules changed that makes it worse? Isn't what you have here what you signed on for in the first place? Then why is it untenable now?

And then......think about what you've learned, or found in the way of a good friend or friends, or gotten in the way of a tip, or a deal on a piece of equipment, that is *NOT* something that you had any right to expect by joining here.

If you still want to leave after and honest look, then by all means do so, but make sure it's clear that you're leaving because of YOU......not DPC.

Okay......I don't vote and comment enough. I don't make the time. Starting today, I will do more. I promise to vote completely in every challenge that I enter.

Feel free to chime in if this little diatribe hits home for you at all.

And BTW.......thank you, Langdon, for adding some wondrous and awesome photography on all levels into my life.
 11/24/2012 09:34:11 AM · #2
I'm sure your intent was not to talk down to those with whom you disagree, but at certain points in your post it sure feels like it.

Do something... I have gifted memberships (plural) to those who could not afford them. I have contributed towards equipment purchases for site members, more than once.

Ungrateful? Once a fee is charged, not a donation requested but a fee, a business relationship ensues.

The fact that I did renew this summer, should be indication that I want the site to continue.

What's in it for Langdon to participate, and engage his customers? The same thing that is in it for any business owner. Survival, and potential increased income.

If I feel things are headed the wrong direction, I'm supposed to leave quietly, and avoid violence from the door? What makes your $25 bucks any better than mine? I'm not telling you to leave because you disagree with me? So why do I have to leave? I mean after all I got jeer first.

How is that which once made me happy, no longer enough? I remember our first color TV. Round tune, funky color and all. It was so cool. We loved it, and the neighbors came over to watch it. It just doesn't cut it today.

My personal opinion is one of the biggest issues is the absolute absence of Langdon, and his apparent unwillingness to allow,site council to handle things for him.

I found the latest silence challenge to be ironic, as that is what we receive whenever we try to talk to management.
 11/24/2012 10:04:02 AM · #3
Originally posted by ambaker:

I found the latest silence challenge to be ironic, as that is what we receive whenever we try to talk to management.


In all honesty, I've always gotten a hold of Langdon, and he's ALWAYS done exactly as I needed. The only thing is that it sometimes took a bit of effort, and time.

Of course, I only contact him when I absolutely need to do so. (twice in my years here, once quite recently)..

I say the guy is just slammed, give him a break and show some darn appreciation.

Yes, we need a community manager, and a bit more caution/care, along with some advertising to get some fresh new members (always super fun)...

Appreciate it. Here, go read this.
 11/24/2012 10:28:41 AM · #4
Originally posted by ambaker:
I'm sure your intent was not to talk down to those with whom you disagree, but at certain points in your post it sure feels like it.

The interpretation is one you. And my opinions are just that......opinions.
Originally posted by ambaker:
Do something... I have gifted memberships (plural) to those who could not afford them. I have contributed towards equipment purchases for site members, more than once.

Okay.....what's your point? That's good. Do more, don't do more, that's your choice. I'm nobody, I'm just trying to see if I can do something positive, and perhaps get the people who are griping to take a look at their own perspective.
Originally posted by ambaker:
Ungrateful? Once a fee is charged, not a donation requested but a fee, a business relationship ensues.

Okay, what does that mean? If you go to a gas station, you go to put gas in your car. As long as the price is competitive, and the card reader at the pump works, that's pretty much what I'm looking for out of my business relationship there. If I pull in for gas one day, and the manager brings me out a free cup of coffee, I'm not going to ask him where the donut is, or necessarily expect that every time I stop in for gas that there will be another free cup. I'll appreciate it if he adds a new item to the convenience store there if it is something that adds to their inventory that I might use, but again.......I go there for gas. I don't expect any more from it than that.
Originally posted by ambaker:
The fact that I did renew this summer, should be indication that I want the site to continue.

Okay.....that's cool.
Originally posted by ambaker:
What's in it for Langdon to participate, and engage his customers? The same thing that is in it for any business owner. Survival, and potential increased income.

I don't feel that I know the remotest reason as to how Langdon feels about this site, this site as a business, or his plans for the future. I also don't even know the owner of the place I buy gas, and I'm certainly not going to hunt him down and tell him how I think he should run it.
Originally posted by ambaker:
If I feel things are headed the wrong direction, I'm supposed to leave quietly, and avoid violence from the door?

Do whatever you want. But do you really think that making a big stink is helpful in any way?
Originally posted by ambaker:
What makes your $25 bucks any better than mine?

PLEASE tell me where in any manner, either directly, or otherwise, I stated this. This is absurd and provocative, and you know it. It's also the kind of thing that serves no purpose other than to inflame. Not biting, sorry.
Originally posted by ambaker:
I'm not telling you to leave because you disagree with me?

And why would you?
Originally posted by ambaker:
So why do I have to leave? I mean after all I got jeer first.

Sigh........my point is that there are still plenty of people around that like the site, but don't feel obligated to openly put themselves out there for the antagonists to chew on them. Those would be the folks that really don't want to hear it and would appreciate it if the constant destructive and negative chatter would just go away.
Originally posted by ambaker:
How is that which once made me happy, no longer enough? I remember our first color TV. Round tune, funky color and all. It was so cool. We loved it, and the neighbors came over to watch it. It just doesn't cut it today.

This isn't a TV, it's a flawed analogy, and pretty useless. You know better than I do how much this site has improved in ten years. Really, the community has worsened in that there are more negative proponents than ever. I've been here for six years, and gotten way more out of it for $150 than I could have anywhere else.........probably even for ten times that amount. If you're not getting enough out of this site, then it's up to you to do what you have to to get what you need.......but then DO it, and if you have to go elsewhere tio get it, so be it. Just don't blame the site because they won't acceded to your demands.
Originally posted by ambaker:
My personal opinion is one of the biggest issues is the absolute absence of Langdon, and his apparent unwillingness to allow,site council to handle things for him.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone remotely give a sh*t that maybe this site simply is going to continue to be what it is in its simplicity and consistency? Right now, DPC is one of the constants in my life. It's recreation, it certainly gives me a lot, and I am not looking for something else. I like it just fine. I can think of a half a dozen things that I'd do in my personal life that would enhance my experience here.......like take that PhotoShop course, buy more glass, etc........but I'm having fun.
Originally posted by ambaker:
I found the latest silence challenge to be ironic, as that is what we receive whenever we try to talk to management.

I don't talk to the manager at the office supplies store, the place I buy beer, the gas station, the grocery store, Home Depot, Lowe's, the VW dealer where I have my car serviced.......what's your point?????

I do hope that maybe someone will see where I'm going with this thread.

I'm actually surprised that you didn't seem to be interested in putting a foot forward for the community.

Oh well....you don't have to, either.
 11/24/2012 11:53:45 AM · #5
I believe I am putting a foot forward for the community...

I understand that you do not want change. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I will not ask YOU to leave quietly, while avoiding the door...

I believe the TV analogy is a good one. If DPC were growing, if entries in the challenges were growing, I'd buy your argument.

But it is NOT working. And I sincerely believe it has nothing to do with the tone in the forums, other than being the root cause of the tone in the forums. Membership is down, participation is down. Jerks have been around since day one.

I do not have a list of demands to meet. My request is simple. A site management and council that relies on anything other than a stonewall to answer requests.

You don't ever ask to see a manager! I would suggest you have missed some good opportunities. If quality and/or service is bad where I do business, I seek out the manager as a favor. It gives the manager the opportunity to see what is going on, or explain to me why what happened, happened. I'f I have a problem, I let them know. If I am satisfied, I let them know as well. Believe it, or not, most places management likes feedback.

I am not asking for change for the sake of change. I am not asking for pink borders on the home page. I am asking for dialog, and it appears that even this may be too radical, and too much.
 11/24/2012 12:04:43 PM · #6
ambaker You have turned this or are trying to turn this into another bitching thread.
Please head elsewhere.
 11/24/2012 12:20:43 PM · #7
Originally posted by Tiny:
ambaker You have turned this or are trying to turn this into another bitching thread.
Please head elsewhere.

And, Jeb? By answering Ambaker point-by-point like that, you're doing the same thing; you're making this be another attack-and-defend thread. It already sounds like "Two guys with agendas", and the good stuff's already getting buried.
 11/24/2012 12:50:42 PM · #8
after reading the replies to one another... I don't remember what the thread was about in the first place...

11/24/2012 12:54:07 PM · #9
I'm disappointed. There's neither put-up nor shut-up in this thread. I want my money back.
 11/24/2012 12:55:16 PM · #10
Down to one guy and an agenda... Out...
 11/25/2012 08:39:44 AM · #11
Originally posted by ambaker:
I believe I am putting a foot forward for the community...

I understand that you do not want change. You are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I will not ask YOU to leave quietly, while avoiding the door...

I never said that I did not want change.

I merely feel that the characteristic griping is all about people wanting the site, and its management to change at their beck and call.

You are the one who decided, in some sort of skewed manner, that this was some sort of personal affront.

One of the only things I asked of this thread was that it NOT become pissy with personal grievances.

I guess that was too much to ask.

One thing I did state that you either missed, or chose not to see, was that I don't care one whit what you do, you don't answer to me........I was wrong......I would have loved it if you would have said or done something constructive here.

Apparently, you had no interest in that idea.

As to putting a foot forward for the community.......sorry, don't see it.

I will do as I stated, and try to do better as far as my participation for the community, but apparently, this wasn't the way.
 11/25/2012 09:18:49 AM · #12
Originally posted by Bear_Music:
Originally posted by Tiny:
ambaker You have turned this or are trying to turn this into another bitching thread.
Please head elsewhere.

And, Jeb? By answering Ambaker point-by-point like that, you're doing the same thing; you're making this be another attack-and-defend thread. It already sounds like "Two guys with agendas", and the good stuff's already getting buried.


The same would be true if Langdon answered Ambaker point-by-point.

Given the diversity of demands, Langon would have to answer each person individually, point-by-point. Or just run this site as he sees fit. Whichever interests him more.

I work in a call center for a big business, & not a day, sometimes, not even a hour, goes by without an excited customer demanding to speak to management because they want a change in company policies to get their particular needs met. It's human nature. People think that complaining will get them what they want.
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