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11/04/2012 07:47:04 PM · #301

Originally posted by bassbone:

Putting lines on telephone poles is 19th century and the lines themselves are incredibly outdated as well.

Some of those lines might BE from the 19th century. Unfortunately, it's way too rocky around here to make burying the lines practical.

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11/04/2012 08:04:54 PM · #302

Originally posted by posthumous:

Originally posted by Skip:
it appears that very few people, either in government on any level or at home, learned a damn thing from Katrina. the finger-pointing, blaming, and lack of accountability is simply pathetic. the only heroes in this mess are those that are finding ways to selflessly help others, in spite of all the obstacles in their way.

I don't think this compares to Katrina. NYC and NJ just have to get accustomed to the storms that global warming will bring. This was a huge storm that directly hit the original megalopolis around NYC. I think we're recovering as well as can be expected. What is this "finger-pointing" you're talking about? I haven't heard any.

That being said, I will be listening very closely to accounts of how Staten Island and some of the poorer northern towns near the jersey shore were treated.

I suspect that New Orleans might want to consider the future as well. I seriously doubt Katrina is the worst that can be thrown at it.

And NYC / NJ need to realize that, while we are calling this a superstorm, in all honesty it was a weak category 2.... This isn't by any means the maximum extent to which nature is capable of delivering destruction.

Imagine the result of a storm like this if it was scaled up to a cat 4 or 5, 30 ft storm surge, entire neighborhoods literally washed away, missing islands, etc.

Despite the destruction, I don't really know if we should be calling this one "superstorm" anyway, because, in reality, it's not even close to the theoretical limit.

Message edited by author 2012-11-04 20:09:18.

PGerst

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11/04/2012 08:47:08 PM · #303

Correct. We're still about 5 billion years, give or take from the theoretical limit of the sun going nova. :)

Originally posted by Cory:

Despite the destruction, I don't really know if we should be calling this one "superstorm" anyway, because, in reality, it's not even close to the theoretical limit.

GeneralE

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11/04/2012 09:31:57 PM · #304

Originally posted by PGerst:

Correct. We're still about 5 billion years, give or take from the theoretical limit of the sun going nova. :)

Originally posted by Cory:
Despite the destruction, I don't really know if we should be calling this one "superstorm" anyway, because, in reality, it's not even close to the theoretical limit.

The Sun does not possess enough mass to "go nova" â�� when it runs out of hydrogen it will expand to become a red giant, and the "surface" may well extend out to the Earth's orbit, but the Earth itself will almost certainly have been vaporized before that. The end result (for the Earth) is much the same, but the duration required for it to happen is vastly different.

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11/04/2012 10:02:16 PM · #305

Originally posted by Cory:

And NYC / NJ need to realize that, while we are calling this a superstorm, in all honesty it was a weak category 2...

Maximum wind speed may have put Sandy at Cat 2 status, but only because the winds were spread out over such a large area. Sandy's barometric pressure of 940 mb at landfall was below the infamous 1938 Long Island Express hurricane and reflects a greater storm intensity than 5 of the 35 Category 5 hurricanes recorded since 1851. It was the largest hurricane (by gale force diameter) ever recorded in the Atlantic, and certainly earned the 'superstorm' moniker.

karmat

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11/04/2012 10:08:51 PM · #306

I have a friend that was sent up to work on clean-up and such. He was told he could be there for up to 2 months. (This is with the company he worked with, not a national guard unit or anything like that).

The first few nights, they had bunks in the back of tractor trailers. Not too bad, except that he was a uncomfortable because they were short beds and he is exceptionally tall.

However, he came back in yesterday after working 16 hours to find that a) they had no hot water, b) there was no food prepared (or going to be prepared) for them and c) they no longer had the trailers to sleep in. He put on all his clothes and slept in his sleeping bag in the back of a truck so his older coworker could have the cab.

He said all of *that* was tolerable. Not fun, and definitely not easy, but he was glad to be able to help some people.

What he found unfathomable was the attitude of the people towards him and his coworkers. He said he's never been cussed at or threatened as much in his life. It was like everybody was mad at the clean-up crews for what had happened.

PGerst

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11/04/2012 10:26:35 PM · #307

There has been a lot of that around here too. Both this time, and last time.

What is pretty cool to see is the operation they had going on at the Speed Bowl. Big white tent and bucket trucks lined up as far as the eye could see. Quite a sight to see.

Originally posted by karmat:

What he found unfathomable was the attitude of the people towards him and his coworkers. He said he's never been cussed at or threatened as much in his life. It was like everybody was mad at the clean-up crews for what had happened.

PGerst

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11/04/2012 10:27:23 PM · #308

Yeah....I know....I meant red giant...

Still...won't be around to see it.

Originally posted by GeneralE:

11/04/2012 10:31:44 PM · #309

Originally posted by karmat:

Haven't seen anything like that! Everyone I know is thrilled to see the work crews. People around here wave to the trucks and offer the workers water, coffee, food or anything else they need.

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11/04/2012 11:06:10 PM · #310

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by Cory:
And NYC / NJ need to realize that, while we are calling this a superstorm, in all honesty it was a weak category 2...

Maximum wind speed may have put Sandy at Cat 2 status, but only because the winds were spread out over such a large area. Sandy's barometric pressure of 940 mb at landfall was below the infamous 1938 Long Island Express hurricane and reflects a greater storm intensity than 5 of the 35 Category 5 hurricanes recorded since 1851. It was the largest hurricane (by gale force diameter) ever recorded in the Atlantic, and certainly earned the 'superstorm' moniker.

Which means it lasted longer, and pushed more water. Make no mistake, there is absolutely no physical limitation that says a Cat 5 can't achieve that size, and simply blow the total energy amount away.

PennyStreet

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11/04/2012 11:31:42 PM · #311

As a visitor, I was present for both Hurricane Katrina (New Orleans) and Hurricane Sandy (NYC - though I live in NJ and have now returned home where I DO have power and feel very lucky).. Call them Cat 1 or Cat 5, both were catastrophic.
Locally, I think Mayor Bloomberg is amazing... So far as Federal government/FEMA response it will take some time to tell but my initial response, be it the current Federal powers that be or lessons learned, is this is going to happen faster than post Katrina...
and hopefully the problem is not exacerbated by more weather later on this week.

skewsme

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11/04/2012 11:39:33 PM · #312

jeez penny, maybe you're a hurricane magnet...

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11/05/2012 02:17:23 AM · #313

There always has to be one joker. ;)

Mike

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11/05/2012 07:58:24 AM · #314

the more i read about this story, the more amazed i am that people didn't carry enough insurance. Yeah i get flood insurance is real expensive but that the price you pay to have a home or vacation on the beach.

My neighbor as telling me of a friend of their that lost their house, two business properties and both cars. They had zero insurance, becuase they paid cash for all their properties. They lost it all.

I feel for those who are displaced and struggling through a hard time but ill get back on there feet, but i have a hard time feeling bad for those will have many future problems who didn't cover themselves financially.

I also read a story where a lady just got done renovating her with $70,000 from hurricane Irene, so you didn't learn your lesson and thought it would never happen again?

nygold

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11/05/2012 08:35:24 AM · #315

Here is my basement before and after.

Bear_Music

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11/05/2012 08:57:43 AM · #316

Originally posted by Cory:

There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

hahn23

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11/05/2012 09:02:02 AM · #317

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

See, I thought Cory was referring to the gasoline slick coming from what appears to be just one vehicle. (was probably several) And, Robert may be referring to the three taxis parking 180 degrees to the rest. Interesting!

Mike

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11/05/2012 09:04:37 AM · #318

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

Four of them, actually :)

Bear_Music

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11/05/2012 09:47:31 AM · #319

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

Four of them, actually :)

Oh, good catch! Bottom row, on left, only rear window visible... Missed that one.

11/05/2012 09:53:53 AM · #320

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by mike_311:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

Four of them, actually :)

Oh, good catch! Bottom row, on left, only rear window visible... Missed that one.

Heck, I missed that entire row. :)

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11/05/2012 09:54:40 AM · #321

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

See, I thought Cory was referring to the gasoline slick coming from what appears to be just one vehicle. (was probably several) And, Robert may be referring to the three taxis parking 180 degrees to the rest. Interesting!

You know, that brings up another question..

The amount of oil I've seen in the water is astonishing, what efforts are being made to avoid just polluting the shit out of the ocean?

nygold

Nikon D5000

11/05/2012 09:55:35 AM · #322

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

See, I thought Cory was referring to the gasoline slick coming from what appears to be just one vehicle. (was probably several) And, Robert may be referring to the three taxis parking 180 degrees to the rest. Interesting!

You know, that brings up another question..

The amount of oil I've seen in the water is astonishing, what efforts are being made to avoid just polluting the shit out of the ocean?

None.

11/05/2012 10:10:47 AM · #323

Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by hahn23:

Originally posted by Bear_Music:

Originally posted by Cory:
There always has to be one joker. ;)

Three of them, actually...

See, I thought Cory was referring to the gasoline slick coming from what appears to be just one vehicle. (was probably several) And, Robert may be referring to the three taxis parking 180 degrees to the rest. Interesting!

You know, that brings up another question..

The amount of oil I've seen in the water is astonishing, what efforts are being made to avoid just polluting the shit out of the ocean?

None.

Does anyone else think that should be a crime?

11/05/2012 10:15:00 AM · #324

Originally posted by Cory:

Originally posted by nygold:

Originally posted by Cory:
what efforts are being made to avoid just polluting the shit out of the ocean?

None.

Does anyone else think that should be a crime?

What would you propose be done? It's not just those taxis, of course, but every car, truck, bus, locomotive, auto garage, lawnmower and basement caught within the surge area. The same thing happened with the tsunamis in Japan and Indonesia. What effort would you make?