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10/27/2012 09:10:04 AM · #76 |
Originally posted by Neil:
Originally posted by yanko:
Didn't a flying chair win a ribbon in the Pet Rock challenge? I forget who did that one but it only made sense if voters read the challenge description.
ETA: it was  vawendy's entry.
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Which is of course another problem we see...people don't read challenge descriptions before judging something as DNMC:
"Take a photo of a rock (or any other inanimate object) as if it were a pet."
(not picking on your post...just a general point) |
Sounds more like a fail in naming the challenge.
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10/27/2012 11:37:54 AM · #77 |
Originally posted by bohemka:
Much of the problem is that the challenge descriptions are nearly always poorly written ... |
... by the members who post them in the suggestions forum. :-( |
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10/27/2012 11:59:10 AM · #78 |
Originally posted by GeneralE:
Originally posted by bohemka:
Much of the problem is that the challenge descriptions are nearly always poorly written ... |
... by the members who post them in the suggestions forum. :-( |
Don't get me wrong, but is editing for clarity so darn hard? I mean, make sure that there is no disagreement at all between title and description?
Pet Rock for example should have been "Inanimate Pets" |
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10/27/2012 12:12:23 PM · #79 |
It may (or may not) not be "hard", but it does take time ... besides, there's almost always a discussion about a suggested topic, and I'd think the informal editorial board of thread participants could do the job as well as anyone. Just make it easier for Langdon to copy/paste the finished title and description ...
With regard to "Pet Rock" I think you'll notice thant many challenge titles are similarly themed with a well-known (in the US anyway) catchy phrase. Personally, think the unwillingness of any participant to gain full knowledge of what they're doing (whether entering or voting) by clicking on a link (waah, I just strained my index finger!) to view the full description constitutes irrational either laziness or stubbornness ... but -- as long as people vote consistently, it doesn't really matter. |
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10/27/2012 12:16:42 PM · #80 |
And then... there are challenges like Distracting elements, : Include at least two distracting elements in your photograph.
Some of the shots the distracting elements are very not distracting to me, One Is what I think is a super photo, yet the distracting elemets are a great addition to the shot(IMHO) ... sooo how do you vote that... the photographer cleary saw it as distracting, yet I see it as an awesome addition to a stunning photo...????
Tis' all subjective here on DPC.. |
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10/27/2012 12:25:29 PM · #81 |
| In the end it may even itself out; someone has a certain preference and will vote accordingly on all pictures [if they vote 100%] |
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10/27/2012 04:59:01 PM · #82 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
And then... there are challenges like Distracting elements, : Include at least two distracting elements in your photograph.
Some of the shots the distracting elements are very not distracting to me, One Is what I think is a super photo, yet the distracting elemets are a great addition to the shot(IMHO) ... sooo how do you vote that... the photographer cleary saw it as distracting, yet I see it as an awesome addition to a stunning photo...????
Tis' all subjective here on DPC.. |
I am easily distracted, & I'm having a hard time figuring how to vote the Distracting Elements challenge consistently because I fail to figure out what's distracting in most of them. I have a tendency to accept what I see when viewing photographs. People have criticised the strangest things in my work as "distracting," from DOF to a blown highlight or clipped shadow, or the way I cropped it. And what's an "element?" exactly? I don't expect an answer telling me how to vote. I'm just whinging. |
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10/27/2012 05:47:47 PM · #83 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
And then... there are challenges like Distracting elements, : Include at least two distracting elements in your photograph.
Some of the shots the distracting elements are very not distracting to me, One Is what I think is a super photo, yet the distracting elemets are a great addition to the shot(IMHO) ... sooo how do you vote that... the photographer cleary saw it as distracting, yet I see it as an awesome addition to a stunning photo...????
Tis' all subjective here on DPC.. |
That's every challenge. The topic is almost always illustrated, never duplicated. In other words, if the challenge is "emotion" then you'll see a vast array of photos all depicting what emotion looks like, not what it feels like. |
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10/27/2012 08:28:57 PM · #84 |
Distracting elements, logically, are supposed to be good additions to your photo, not to take a picture and add bad distracting elements. No bad pictures. The goal is to master competing distracting elements and make the composition better for having used them, not too put on a clinic on how to add awful distracting elements that make your picture crappy.
And, there is no reason why the "at least two distracting elements" can't both be the same thing, identical elements, but more than one. It does not say at least two "separate and distinct distracting elements."
Message edited by author 2012-10-27 20:29:35. |
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10/27/2012 08:37:36 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Distracting elements, logically, are supposed to be good additions to your photo, not to take a picture and add bad distracting elements. No bad pictures. The goal is to master competing distracting elements and make the composition better for having used them, not too put on a clinic on how to add awful distracting elements that make your picture crappy.
And, there is no reason why the "at least two distracting elements" can't both be the same thing, identical elements, but more than one. It does not say at least two "separate and distinct distracting elements." |
NO REally... ARGHHHH I took it to mean elements that are icky distracting... hummm thus my LOW score... lol.. Oh well.... |
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10/27/2012 08:48:44 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by blindjustice:
Distracting elements, logically, are supposed to be good additions to your photo, not to take a picture and add bad distracting elements. No bad pictures. The goal is to master competing distracting elements and make the composition better for having used them, not too put on a clinic on how to add awful distracting elements that make your picture crappy. . . . |
+1 and a great way to look at it
But that's not how I took the challenge, so I had no desire to enter and didn't. |
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10/28/2012 02:44:40 AM · #87 |
Originally posted by littlemav:
Tis' all subjective here on DPC.. |
Yes and No. There certainly ARE plenty of grey areas, but also plenty of black and white.
I always look hard for the connection to the challenge topic/description, but some leave NO doubt - they simply DNMC and we all know it. |
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10/28/2012 06:05:21 AM · #88 |
M'y focus is on good images (as I see them), descriptions or distractions don't matter. Some DPCers seem to take pleasure from handing out 1s regardless of the quality of the image. That's sad. After all thé topic of thé challenge is thé tool, not thé goal of this site. Focus on improvement, not petty bickering over voting approches. Leave that to  Venser ;) |
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10/28/2012 06:17:27 AM · #89 |
Originally posted by MNet:
Some DPCers seem to take pleasure from handing out 1s regardless of the quality of the image. |
Ugh. Your user name has changed (yet again), but nothing else :-( |
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10/28/2012 07:19:54 AM · #90 |
Originally posted by MNet:
M'y focus is on good images (as I see them), descriptions or distractions don't matter. |
You don't see a problem with that statement. What's the point of even having a description then for any challenge if that's the way you're going to approach voting and/or shooting for a challenge?
Originally posted by MNet:
Some DPCers seem to take pleasure from handing out 1s regardless of the quality of the image. That's sad. |
As I sit here in my palatial mansion, nothing brings me greater joy than pissing in people's cornflakes, specifically yours. It's asinine comments like yours why bickering goes on. At least my initial comment to start the thread holds some legitimacy.
You are right, I don't care about the quality of the image. I look to see how well it meets the challenge description and does the image move me in some capacity. Originality also plays a big role in the vote I dish out. The last three things criteria are all entirely subjective. But we're not here to discuss how one person votes.
Originally posted by MNet:
Focus on improvement, not petty bickering over voting approches. Leave that to Venser ;) |
Can you please check out the definition of irony for me. I forget exactly what it means and my Oxford just became my daughters new favorite toy. |
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10/28/2012 09:50:29 AM · #91 |
Venserto answer your question, it depends on how many good entries are in a certain challenge, I seemed to do well with this shot,  which I purely entered knowing 100% it was a shoehorn, only bc I loved it! I was hoping for around 5.7ish, so to reach over 6 was not too bad. I also did it for an experiment to see how well a shoehorn would rate in such an obscure challenge, which was open to many interpretations.
Also my biggest shoehorn IMHO was my first ribbon shot  I knew when I entered it, it was a shoehorn but a pretty good one at that, Wendy and Spiffy assured me it was a good enough shot to enter, and I stressed so much about what 'Bradbury' short story I would title it, I actually originally had it titled " A time of going away " but Wendy, thought it didn't fit, so I had to make it fit somehow, bc I totally fell in love with this image, and didn't want to let it go to waste, So I figured b/c It was an image of a child I would go with 'Tomorrow's child', well everyone...well most of you fell for it and the rest is history.
Message edited by author 2012-10-28 09:50:50. |
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10/28/2012 10:08:46 AM · #92 |
margret N back as mnet same attitude
i guess its a true comment from someone who entered a day time shot into a night time challenge, all out for a win
i thought you'd stormed off in a huff?? |
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10/28/2012 10:09:01 AM · #93 |
Originally posted by Neat:
Venserto answer your question, it depends on how many good entries are in a certain challenge, I seemed to do well with this shot, which I purely entered knowing 100% it was a shoehorn, only bc I loved it! I was hoping for around 5.7ish, so to reach over 6 was not too bad. I also did it for an experiment to see how well a shoehorn would rate in such an obscure challenge, which was open to many interpretations.
Also my biggest shoehorn IMHO was my first ribbon shot I knew when I entered it, it was a shoehorn but a pretty good one at that, Wendy and Spiffy assured me it was a good enough shot to enter, and I stressed so much about what 'Bradbury' short story I would title it, I actually originally had it titled " A time of going away " but Wendy, thought it didn't fit, so I had to make it fit somehow, bc I totally fell in love with this image, and didn't want to let it go to waste, So I figured b/c It was an image of a child I would go with 'Tomorrow's child', well everyone...well most of you fell for it and the rest is history. |
They may have been shoehorns in your mind, but they actually both fit.
The Bradbury challenge doesn't say "illustrate a bradbury story", it says "take inspiration from". If the description were much more narrow, then you'd have to have a blue pyramid. But your shot works.
The Princess Bride one was much more of a shoehorn. But there are aspects of it that work. As tanguera commented -- they do look like giant dandelions. I don't know how other people grew up, but we made a wish before blowing on a blown dandelion. Also, many people make a wish and throw coins in a fountain. It's a reach, but many people like it when you go out on a limb and have an image the pushes the limits -- but still manage to be in the limits, as well.
What may be a shoehorn to the photographer, may work perfectly well with the viewers.
I do believe, however, that a good image stretches the imagination of the viewers. If it really resonates with the viewer, they'll stretch their mind and their ideas to find a reason that it fits the challenge so they don't have to mark it down. I think that has a positive outcome, however, because they may be more willing to think out of the box on other images.
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10/28/2012 10:14:09 AM · #94 |
Originally posted by Giles_uk:
i thought you'd stormed off in a huff?? |
Sorry to disappoint you :( |
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10/28/2012 10:14:50 AM · #95 |
vawendy Yeah the dandelion thing, got to agree with that!
But I didn't know if others would!
Message edited by author 2012-10-28 10:34:05. |
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10/28/2012 10:33:20 AM · #96 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Originally posted by MNet:
[quote=MNet]Focus on improvement, not petty bickering over voting approches. Leave that to Venser ;) |
Can you please check out the definition of irony for me. I forget exactly what it means and my Oxford just became my daughters new favorite toy. |
Awwww. come on, folks. Lighten up. There was a winky face there -- it was said tongue in cheek.
We all love to mess with venser. He even had a forum topic named for him :)
It gave me a chuckle. :)
Message edited by author 2012-10-28 10:35:32.
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10/28/2012 11:29:11 AM · #97 |
Sorry, I often miss emoticons.
It's one of those things on the internet I don't get.
One of the programmers at work left emoticons in the comments of his code and we had to have a talk with him.
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10/28/2012 02:30:22 PM · #98 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Sorry, I often miss emoticons.
It's one of those things on the internet I don't get.
One of the programmers at work left emoticons in the comments of his code and we had to have a talk with him. |
I would have said horrible things while winking and smiling at him. It would have been video-worthy. |
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10/31/2012 09:50:18 AM · #99 |
Reflections challenge.
This finished 34th.
There isn't a reflection anywhere in this entry. It doesn't meet the challenge by any stretch of the imagination. I'm assuming the voters were either woefully ignorant as to the difference between refraction and reflection or simply didn't care. |
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10/31/2012 10:00:18 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by Venser:
Reflections challenge.
This finished 34th.
There isn't a reflection anywhere in this entry. It doesn't meet the challenge by any stretch of the imagination. I'm assuming the voters were either woefully ignorant as to the difference between refraction and reflection or simply didn't care. |
Heck there are even some people who are shocked this didn't make the front page - the absurdity abounds.
Although, I am really quite pleased to read the comments and see how many people did pick this as a refraction shot.
Message edited by author 2012-10-31 10:01:11. |
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