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Nikon AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 24-120mm f/3.5-5.6G IF-ED VR

08/24/2012 08:48:30 PM · #201

Originally posted by Venser:

Originally posted by bassbone:
To be honest, I just don't understand the reason to change the time on the camera when you travel. Most if not all cameras I own have World Time (local time and time zone) on them and if you set the time correctly relative to GMT once, you are all set.

I never change my camera and have a script I run when I get back home to manipulate the EXIF data with GPS info, forward or rewind the time based on zone, and a bunch of other information. I find it easier to run in script as opposed to changing camera settings. Only found out this is a ban worthy offence without any intent of deceit or maliciousness.

Ooosshh. Hush hush on that one buddy. ;)

jadin

Nikon D800

08/24/2012 08:53:21 PM · #202

Yes, and no problem.

I understand what you are saying, and I feel bad for you. I just don't agree with you that there's room for an appeal here. The problem with your situation is the same as with anyone who shoots a year in the future. They can say they shot it whenever they want. You can say your home is anywhere on Earth, and therefore allowed up to 24 hours of freedom everyone else doesn't have.

Look at it this way:
When dealing with justice situations like this, you can choose to get all wrongdoers at the cost of some innocent people. Or, you can make sure all innocent people go free, but at the cost of letting some wrongdoers go free.

It's very very difficult to do both. And DPC is choosing to block all wrongdoers.

08/24/2012 08:56:30 PM · #203

Come on. Disagree with my position all you want, but it's NOT the same as shooting a year in the future. This is a completely different situation. I didn't set my camera wrong or reset it whilst cleaning, I left it at my last home's time zone. If you do the time zone conversion it will be completely obvious. It's not anywhere within a 24 hour window, it's on Korean time.

ETA: Hah... that's funny. I don't know why I didn't think to say that before and it's so good it's worth repeating. It's not an arbitrary time in the future and I'm randomly saying I lived in Korea. The camera is on Korean time. So weeding out the cheaters does not apply to me because it's obvious, plainly obvious that I did not cheat.

And on the philosophical question. I AM for letting "guilty" people go rather than punishing innocent people. It's not even a question for me. :P

Message edited by author 2012-08-24 20:59:49.

08/24/2012 09:06:15 PM · #204

I shot a year into the future.

It was quite obvious that I was EXACTLY a year into the future for my 7+ DQ.

It was quite obviously taken exactly for that quite specific challenge.

Yet, I read the rules and saw that the date is the date. No exceptions.

And I felt stupid.

But, I didn't fight it. I knew it was my own stupid fault.

08/24/2012 09:08:24 PM · #205

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Yes but again that is different. The issue here seems to be since I didn't "declare" MY HOME IS KOREA! The assumption is my home is in EST and therefore I get DQed. Is it their right to designate my home time zone for me?

Canon EF 85mm f/1.2L II USM

08/24/2012 09:10:46 PM · #206

The good news is today is my partners last day of work and as soon as he moves out of his place, I'm officially no longer a homeless solo wanderer, but part of a homeless duo!

It's the ambiguously homed duo! Dunnnn nnuhhh nuuhhh. Ambiguously homed duoooo, the ambiguously homed duuuuoooo!!!

Cory

Canon EOS-1D Mark IV

08/24/2012 09:17:00 PM · #207

Originally posted by Venser:

LOL!!

Better now, than after you ribbon.

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8D PC

08/24/2012 09:33:19 PM · #208

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Is it their right to designate my home time zone for me?

No, you're right. It is not their right. They can only go by what we claim as our home time zone to go with.

But, that's what they have to go with.

Why should I, or anyone else, be able to shoot a day ahead and then say that my home was something different than what I'd told them before? This is what you did, even if it's not what you meant to do. Do I think you're guilty of a crime... of trying to beat the system? NO! Not at all. But, the rules exist for a reason. There has to be some standard.

If they give this image back to you, then they have to give it back to me (and all of the others who cry "foul"). I don't deserve mine back.

I see your dilemma... and I hear your frustration. I was frustrated too.

But, the facts are that the rules are clear about it. There are no exceptions about dates.

They debate many, many things, but this one... no exceptions. So... I think it's done, according to the rules.

Does it suck for you? Yep.

It sucked for me, too.

But, the facts are the facts.

If only you'd... If only I'd...

If only... if only... if only...

But, we didn't.

Regardless, your image is something to be proud of... and so ... you should be.

Even if you don't have a piece of "virtual ribbon".

chazoe

Nikon Z7 FX

08/24/2012 09:35:13 PM · #209

This whole thing is silly. She took the second best shot(according to the voters) and did it with her camera set to the time zone of what she considers "home". I just don't get it. I guess the one tiny mistake she made was to list the "Earth" as her location. It seems to me the SC could have just sent her a PM and asked her to clarify her home location.

Just seems silly to me.

PGerst

Canon EOS-20D

Tamron SP AF 28-75mm f/2.8 XR Di for Canon

08/24/2012 09:36:29 PM · #210

I don't think my Canon 20D can do that. I've always changed the time on my camera to reflect where I was, not for challenges, but just so I know what the time was when I took it. Would make it easier if it did have that function. Hmm...interesting, my GPS automatically adjusted, so I'm wondering how the GPX files will compare with time stamps when I tag those photos I took from Germany....

Still, in terms of location, I'm sure Heisenberg would vote in favor of an appeal.

Originally posted by bassbone:

To be honest, I just don't understand the reason to change the time on the camera when you travel. Most if not all cameras I own have World Time (local time and time zone) on them and if you set the time correctly relative to GMT once, you are all set.

08/24/2012 09:37:30 PM · #211

duplicate post

Message edited by author 2012-08-24 21:38:05.

08/24/2012 09:37:50 PM · #212

My home was "right here... duh!" (because I'm a privacy freak)

So, they should have asked me, too?

I think not.

We state our home. It's not up to them to ask us where we live.

08/24/2012 09:40:09 PM · #213

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

My home was "right here... duh!" (because I'm a privacy freak)

So, they should have asked me, too?

I think not.

We state our home. It's not up to them to ask us where we live.

But it would be physically impossible to post a year in the future no matter where you live. They wouldn't have to ask you where you lived to clarify that. This is silly.

08/24/2012 09:42:53 PM · #214

Exactly! But, I read the rules and they were clear.

It was up to me to set my camera date, and I didn't.

"No exceptions."

DQ.

Did I feel stupid?

Yep.

Did I wish I'd checked my camera date?

Yep.

Did I wish things had turned out differently?

Yep.

Did I blame SC for DQing me?

Nope.

It was my fault.

Right there in the rules.

08/24/2012 09:43:05 PM · #215

Originally posted by chazoe:

Thanks. Me too. It still might get overturned. I'm waiting to hear back. What ever the SC decides, that's fine and I think they will try to be as fair as they can. What's really been upsetting is all of the really negative flack I've been getting in this thread which now has mostly subsided and is back to civil discourse. Which I'm thankful for.

08/24/2012 09:44:20 PM · #216

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Lydia, I don't know why you keep coming back to your entry. Your entry would have been an exception to the rule and that sucks but MINE comes down to where my "home time zone" is. NOT an exception. This is completely different. Apples and oranges.

Message edited by author 2012-08-24 21:45:00.

Nikon MF Micro-Nikkor 85mm f/2.8D PC

08/24/2012 09:44:51 PM · #217

BTW, I've also been through a (quite prominent) rules debate with SC (that people still sometimes bring up). I still think I'm right about that one. *grin*

But, the date thing? They had me "dead to rights".

I didn't quibble.

It was my fault.

chazoe

Nikon Z7 FX

08/24/2012 09:51:37 PM · #218

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Now you got me curious Lydia.

08/24/2012 09:55:41 PM · #219

Originally posted by escapetooz:

It's because I don't see how yours is any different than mine.

I had my "Home" set as "Right here, duh..." and you had yours set as "Earth".

So... that's what they had to go with.

It's not their job to police our homes... They said the date rule was not negotiable, but they gave us a way to say where we live to post a "stake" on the Earth as "our spot" for them to work with.

We didn't do it. So... they have no bargaining point with each other as they discuss.

Either we were in the time frame or not. There was no adjustment for time zone that we allowed them to have. In fact, we denied them of it.

I'm not being obstinate. I'm trying to explain that you and I have given then nothing to work with in our favor, when we COULD have by telling them where we live.

They'd have had a starting point.

But, once we didn't, well... that's our own fault. No execeptions.

08/24/2012 09:56:17 PM · #220

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

That's fine but it has nothing to do with my entry. Your argument seems to be, it was my fault so it's also your fault. This isn't even about fault, it's about a gray area in the rules aka I'm functionally homeless but had my camera set to my last home time zone while I've been traveling. If my last "home" was EST we wouldn't be having this conversation but since my last home was on Korean time, we are, and somehow I did something wrong. I didn't. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

The assumption keeps coming back to, if I don't have a permanent home currently, it must be EST and that is just patently false. Like I said, it's fine if I KNOW that I need to use EST from here on out, but that was NOT part of the rules as written.

08/24/2012 09:59:35 PM · #221

Originally posted by LydiaToo:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Lydia, I don't know why you keep coming back to your entry. Your entry would have been an exception to the rule and that sucks but MINE comes down to where my "home time zone" is. NOT an exception. This is completely different. Apples and oranges.

It's because I don't see how yours is any different than mine.

I had my "Home" set as "Right here, duh..." and you had yours set as "Earth".

So... that's what they had to go with.

It's not their job to police our homes... They said the date rule was not negotiable, but they gave us a way to say where we live to post a "stake" on the Earth as "our spot" for them to work with.

We didn't do it. So... they have no bargaining point with each other as they discuss.

Either we were in the time frame or not. There was no adjustment for time zone that we allowed them to have. In fact, we denied them of it.

I'm not being obstinate. I'm trying to explain that you and I have given then nothing to work with in our favor, when we COULD have by telling them where we live.

They'd have had a starting point.

But, once we didn't, well... that's our own fault. No execeptions.

We, we, our, our. We do NOT have the same argument. That is completely obvious. You can disagree that I have a case all you want, that's fine. But stop implying it's the same as yours. It's not.

There is no possible way your location would influence a shot a YEAR in the future, no clarification of location would clear you to do that. Where as my camera was set to Korean time and a simple clarification of home time zone would have cleared it up. What are you failing to understand here?

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS II USM Lens

08/24/2012 10:06:34 PM · #222

Ouch.

I resign against your obstinance to my "obstinance".

I hope you win your battle.

Then, I'll get my image back. *grin*

hahn23

Canon EOS-5D Mark IV

08/24/2012 10:14:22 PM · #223

So, in the future, please list your geographical location at the time of the exposure. I'm sorry for your DQ, but I don't understand why this is controversial. I admit I have not read the entire, long thread.

Venser

Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

08/24/2012 10:14:48 PM · #224

Originally posted by escapetooz:

There is no possible way your location would influence a shot a YEAR in the future, no clarification of location would clear you to do that. Where as my camera was set to Korean time and a simple clarification of home time zone would have cleared it up. What are you failing to understand here?

Where do you stop? 1 hour? 2 hours? 1 day? 1 year?
It is the same thing. You're simply being obtuse around realizing that.
Both you and Lydia chose irrelevant locations giving the SC nothing to work with. It's not that difficult to understand both situations are the same, or maybe it is.