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Olympus OM-D E-M1 Mark II

08/23/2012 10:56:08 PM · #51

Originally posted by GeneralE:

6. ... people would be telling us all the time that "Oh, I keep my camera on Timbuktu time, I just happened to be in Omaha" or something similar.

P.S. The population of Timbuktu is 54,453 and theoretically one of those people COULD be in shooting in Omaha.

Timbuktu is real. Korea is real. These aren't mythical made up places where cameras go to cheat. These are people's homes. If the rules say home time then yes, they CAN say they keep their camera on Timbuktu time. I know you are trying to lighten the mood but come on...

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 22:57:17.

Venser

Olympus 40-150mm f/2.8 PRO M.Zuiko

08/23/2012 11:05:36 PM · #52

In defence of Monica, she can send her original to me and I can manipulate the EXIF before resubmission so it says the right time if you want.
EXIF data is easily changed.

jomari

Nikon D7000

Nikon AF-S DX 18-105 f/3.5-5.6 ED VR

08/23/2012 11:05:58 PM · #53

Seems to me that if Monica had changed her camera to Florida time and anyone had known her home was Korea, then there could have been a DQ in that too. So, like a few other rules, the wording needs to be reviewed and then expressed so that the meaning is made totally unambiguous.

Neil

Fujifilm X-T30

Nikon AF-S NIKKOR 24-70mm f/2.8G ED

08/23/2012 11:12:29 PM · #54

Originally posted by Venser:

In defence of Monica, she can send her original to me and I can manipulate the EXIF before resubmission so it says the right time if you want.
EXIF data is easily changed.

I know you're just "sayin", but it's worth mentioning anytime someone mentions tampering with EXIF, that tampering with EXIF data is grounds for being banned from DPC if you're caught!

08/23/2012 11:12:52 PM · #55

Originally posted by jomari:

That's my thought. I can change to Eastern Standard time now because that's what the site operates on and that's where my family is, but then what happens when I'm traveling Europe? Do I face this same problem all over again? I'm not even sure how the time zones divide there. I could set it to France where my friend lives but does it change when we make a day trip to Italy? I have no idea...

I know I'm not the only traveling photographer but am I the only "homeless" one who got a ribbon, shooting just before the deadline in one country with her camera set to another? Have a set a precedent here?

You all keep giving examples of dates being set wrong, or not checking battery resets but that is NOT the issue for me so those examples don't apply. The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

If I was native Korean would I have an easier argument here?

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 23:19:37.

PapaBob

08/23/2012 11:24:56 PM · #56

I think the rule is written so SC does not have to get arguments from every photo DQ on date issues, no exceptions makes it pretty clear and allowing an exception would open a real can of worms. My first and only 7+ image was Dq'd because my camera date was set wrong, I wanted to argue because I knew it was taken during the challenge but when I saw no exceptions And I knew It would get me know where to argue it. But hey if you win maybe I can go back and try to get mine reinstated......

08/23/2012 11:25:16 PM · #57

Originally posted by escapetooz:

If I was native Korean would I have an easier argument here?

Probably not, especially if you only spoke Korean. ;) lol.

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/23/2012 11:26:17 PM · #58

Maybe the rule really should be that we all just agree to set our cameras to GMT. Simple, clean, elegant solution.

Edited to make nicely BOLD so people will read this.

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 23:28:10.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

08/23/2012 11:26:42 PM · #59

Originally posted by escapetooz:

The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

08/23/2012 11:27:00 PM · #60

Originally posted by PapaBob:

Again I didn't set the camera wrong. This isn't an exception. The question is defining my "home" time zone.

That's not opening a can of worms, it's fixing a large oversight.

08/23/2012 11:30:09 PM · #61

All this talk about Korea has me needing some more Oppa Gangnam Style.... ;)

Hey, I was just thinking - maybe we should all use GMT since it's a standard time that we could easily agree on.

08/23/2012 11:31:43 PM · #62

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

08/23/2012 11:32:52 PM · #63

Originally posted by escapetooz:

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

Maybe we could consider using GMT for everyone instead of this insanity? ;)

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 23:33:19.

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/23/2012 11:33:32 PM · #64

Originally posted by Cory:

All this talk about Korea has me needing some more Oppa Gangnam Style.... ;)

Hey, I was just thinking - maybe we should all use GMT since it's a standard time that we could easily agree on.

Oh God no! Gangnam is where I lived btw. Most crowded part of Seoul. "Home sweet home".

We couldn't all do GMT I'm sure there are plenty of folks that want their own time on their exif data and don't want to change that for DPC. :P

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 23:36:12.

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

08/23/2012 11:38:52 PM · #65

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

it is semantics; it's pushing the words around because of an exceptional situation. it's just a matter of checking your camera before you shoot and checking your image before you submit. it's really not that difficult.

scalvert

Canon EOS-5D Mark III

Canon EF 24-105mm f/4.0L IS

08/23/2012 11:46:01 PM · #66

Originally posted by escapetooz:

But General, if that's the case then the rule should say "local" time not "home" time. Local time I'm screwed. Home time I still have a chance to fight this. I can easily prove that I was living in Korea and that it was my last home. That's where I bought the darn camera in the first place. So no my date was not set incorrectly. It was kept at my home time.

The rules state, "If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly," so despite getting cute with your profile location, it doesn't matter. Even if Korea was indeed your home we would be going by the Florida date for validation.

PapaBob

08/23/2012 11:48:13 PM · #67

It is interesting how the rule reads, it sounds like if your camera is set to your profile home and it is taken somewhere else all you need to do is note the different location and adjustments will be made.

I was too slow and Shannon beat me to it with his explanation

Message edited by author 2012-08-23 23:50:53.

08/23/2012 11:48:37 PM · #68

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
But General, if that's the case then the rule should say "local" time not "home" time. Local time I'm screwed. Home time I still have a chance to fight this. I can easily prove that I was living in Korea and that it was my last home. That's where I bought the darn camera in the first place. So no my date was not set incorrectly. It was kept at my home time.

The rules state, "If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly," so despite getting cute with your profile location, it doesn't matter. Even if Korea was indeed your home we would be going by the Florida date for validation.

Adjust what accordingly though? Adjust for the difference from your home time to the shot time or adjust for the difference between your home time and the DPC time, or adjust for the difference between your travel time and your DPC time?

Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS USM

08/23/2012 11:53:48 PM · #69

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

it is semantics; it's pushing the words around because of an exceptional situation. it's just a matter of checking your camera before you shoot and checking your image before you submit. it's really not that difficult.

Not that difficult for whom? Since leaving Korea in March I have taken at least 8 flights and an international cruise, next week I drive out of time zone on a trip, the following week I head to France, then I will be hopping all around Europe.

EVEN IF I changed my settings every single spot I went, I could still run into problems.

And again, that's not what the rules say. The rules say home time zone.

Neat

Canon Canon 1d x Mark II

Canon EF 50mm f/1.4 USM

08/23/2012 11:57:07 PM · #70

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by scalvert:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
But General, if that's the case then the rule should say "local" time not "home" time. Local time I'm screwed. Home time I still have a chance to fight this. I can easily prove that I was living in Korea and that it was my last home. That's where I bought the darn camera in the first place. So no my date was not set incorrectly. It was kept at my home time.

The rules state, "If your entry was taken in a different location than indicated in your profile, please note the location in the submission form so that we can adjust accordingly," so despite getting cute with your profile location, it doesn't matter. Even if Korea was indeed your home we would be going by the Florida date for validation.

Adjust what accordingly though? Adjust for the difference from your home time to the shot time or adjust for the difference between your home time and the DPC time, or adjust for the difference between your travel time and your DPC time?

Whoa, now I'm totally confused

Skip

Canon EOS-1D X

08/23/2012 11:57:19 PM · #71

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

it is semantics; it's pushing the words around because of an exceptional situation. it's just a matter of checking your camera before you shoot and checking your image before you submit. it's really not that difficult.

Not that difficult for whom? Since leaving Korea in March I have taken at least 8 flights and an international cruise, next week I drive out of time zone on a trip, the following week I head to France, then I will be hopping all around Europe.

EVEN IF I changed my settings every single spot I went, I could still run into problems.

And again, that's not what the rules say. The rules say home time zone.

is it really that hard for you? and that you'd use "the rules" as a justification for not dealing with it? if it's that much of an issue, then don't worry about it and just enter free studies...

08/24/2012 12:02:58 AM · #72

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:

Originally posted by Skip:

Originally posted by escapetooz:
The issue is not some mistake on my part or the camera's part. It's in defining "home".

you can go round and round and round over the semantics and wording and whether or not it is unjust, but in reality it comes down to one simple thing: checking the date of your image before you submit it. it's your responsibility and if you don't take that responsibility, you get dq'd.

This is not semantics. It's a judgement call. Is Korea my home or is Florida my home? If I get DQed because the image was taken in Florida and now Florida is ruled by the powers that be my "home" then do I KEEP it there even though I'm hardly ever in Florida and will soon be in Europe? Or do I change it for every time zone jump I make?

If I have to change it for every jump, than the rules should state LOCAL time where the photo is taken, not "home time zone".

it is semantics; it's pushing the words around because of an exceptional situation. it's just a matter of checking your camera before you shoot and checking your image before you submit. it's really not that difficult.

Not that difficult for whom? Since leaving Korea in March I have taken at least 8 flights and an international cruise, next week I drive out of time zone on a trip, the following week I head to France, then I will be hopping all around Europe.

EVEN IF I changed my settings every single spot I went, I could still run into problems.

And again, that's not what the rules say. The rules say home time zone.

is it really that hard for you? and that you'd use "the rules" as a justification for not dealing with it? if it's that much of an issue, then don't worry about it and just enter free studies...

I don't understand why you are sending such condescension my way. I really don't.