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08/16/2004 11:59:19 AM · #1 |
I have seen these comment before, and I just have to say this:
No, the photo is not too dark, all the details are there, it is YOUR monitor that is too dark, turn up the brightness, so you can see the whole scale from white to black.
This strip is not decoration!: :)
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08/16/2004 12:05:08 PM · #2 |
The only way i can get to see all is to set my monitor to 100% contrast and 100% brightness - the results of which are very washed out.
Is this bar wrong?
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08/16/2004 12:07:57 PM · #3 |
this works for my monitor cal.
Try This
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08/16/2004 12:08:51 PM · #4 |
The last 4 patches are solid black for me on this. I think my monitor is calibrated ok.
What do others see on the bar from Jonr?
johnpink, The link you provided works well with my current calibration.
does this mean we all need to select the same method of calibration?
Message edited by author 2004-08-16 12:12:12. |
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08/16/2004 12:11:14 PM · #5 |
Originally posted by Gringo:
The last 4 patches are solid black for me on this. I think my monitor is calibrated ok.
What do others see on this bar? |
i see the full gradient. only the last patch is solid black. |
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08/16/2004 12:12:08 PM · #6 |
| The bar is not wrong. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that bar! I see the full range and that's how I know that it's not wrong. :) |
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08/16/2004 12:12:55 PM · #7 |
| On my calibrated (with an EyeOne EyeDisplay) monitor (a 21" Sony with a manufacture date of December 1999), I can distinctly see all 29 boxes. |
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08/16/2004 12:21:09 PM · #8 |
Originally posted by EddyG:
On my calibrated (with an EyeOne EyeDisplay) monitor (a 21" Sony with a manufacture date of December 1999), I can distinctly see all 29 boxes. |
Ditto. And I have ancient 17" Diamontron-based monitor.
My LCD at work however fails on the 2 brightest white and 2 darkest black.
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08/16/2004 12:22:50 PM · #9 |
I bought a new monitor in May and since then my scores have all fallen into the low 5's.
Can someone check the contrast on one of my last entries and see how it looks to my first entry. |
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08/16/2004 12:23:04 PM · #10 |
Crikey. Well if I was to set my monitor to see all boxes then vote a lot of 1's will be give out for wishy washy pictures - mine included!. Surely this cannot be?
Anyone have a hardware calibrated monitor? I recall someone uses a spider? Gordon perhaps?
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08/16/2004 12:49:44 PM · #11 |
My monitor allows me to see all 29 boxes as well. There is only one BLACK in there - the rest are shades. If you cannot see it, calibrate your monitor until my Magazine Cover Revisted picture shows up for you.
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08/16/2004 12:52:01 PM · #12 |
I can see all the different shades too.
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08/16/2004 01:27:22 PM · #13 |
Fpr those like me who can't see all bopxes, try thios page which is better. I am now using a much brighter set-up and my images are no where near as contrasty as i wished!
So heres to more ribbons now I have it fixed :D
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08/16/2004 01:27:49 PM · #14 |
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08/16/2004 01:36:56 PM · #15 |
| Thanks for the information here! I'm fixing my monitor today. I didn't know it was so far out. |
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08/16/2004 01:38:07 PM · #16 |
Originally posted by jonpink:
this works for my monitor cal.
Try This |
THANK YOU! I have been frustrated for a long time because my computer at home makes the pictures look great, but here at work, everything looks too dark. This really helped! |
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08/16/2004 01:40:49 PM · #17 |
| If the last four patches are solid black then your monitor needs calibration.....they should all be discernibly different. |
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08/16/2004 01:44:58 PM · #18 |
The last four patches, like all the other patches, differ by about 10 levels. You can see this in any decent image editing tool, by sampling the areas.
Some monitors are incapable of being properly calibrated, as they simply cannot go bright enough to show a full 255 level greyscale correctly. There isn't much you can do about that really, other than replacing the monitor with a newer or higher specification one. Not being able to see all of these levels may be an indication of this - although it could just be bad calibration, or poorly configured graphics card DACs.
If the last 4 levels look solid black, you are missing roughly 15% of the detail in most images.
Message edited by author 2004-08-16 13:46:49.
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08/16/2004 01:47:38 PM · #19 |
it seems my contrast was too high. I had all the blacks, but the last two boxes of my whites blended. i had contrast too high and brightness too low...fixed now. thanks for the post.
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08/16/2004 03:14:35 PM · #20 |
Originally posted by Gordon:
The last four patches, like all the other patches, differ by about 10 levels. You can see this in any decent image editing tool, by sampling the areas.
Some monitors are incapable of being properly calibrated, as they simply cannot go bright enough to show a full 255 level greyscale correctly. There isn't much you can do about that really, other than replacing the monitor with a newer or higher specification one. Not being able to see all of these levels may be an indication of this - although it could just be bad calibration, or poorly configured graphics card DACs.
If the last 4 levels look solid black, you are missing roughly 15% of the detail in most images. |
Cheers Gordon, I ahve been missing a heck of a lot of detail - just by going back to view the VP challenge I picked out a photograph that was black 20% pure black this morning, to which i can now actually see a lot of detail and no black areas.
Ouch
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08/16/2004 03:20:22 PM · #21 |
Most of my submissions are deliberately 10% or so lighter than I'd find ideal, to counter this; only so many people will read this thread, and I would imagine that over 50% of voters will not have calibrated their monitors in any sense at all.
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08/16/2004 05:18:48 PM · #22 |
I have a 19" visually flat CRT trinitron monitor pro series from CTX, I like it a lot and I can see all of the different shades on it.
One suggestion that I can give you all, is to work with your photographs in your computer in a dark room, turn of the lights, block the windows, this is your digital darkroom we're talking about! :-) This is not a joke (I know that many people know this, but a lot of people don't), calibrate your monitor in dark. I'm sure if you do that, and also work with your images in dark, the outcome will be better (some of you maybe do this already). And last, but definately not the least important part; to see the photos at their best, and equally the most real quality of the photos of the challenges (after you've calibrated your monitor ofcourse), turn off the lights and block the windows when you're voting!
If you can't see all the different shades, then you have no reason to comment on lack of details in dark or bright areas, and not rate photos lower because of that either.
Message edited by author 2004-08-16 17:21:07.
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08/16/2004 10:50:37 PM · #23 |
I find it humorous that I got these two comments from two different voters on the current botany challenge (I paraphrased):
"Your colors are really vivid" and "Your colors are washed out"
Guess someone's monitor is a little off... just hope it's not mine. I'm guessing it is, though, that MUST be the reason that my score keeps dropping. ;)
But, to both people, THANK YOU for commenting on my photo.
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08/16/2004 11:08:34 PM · #24 |
| I'm wondering if people really can't see the difference because of their calibration or if it's because of the relative difference between the shades and the light background making them appear the same. I wonder if the people who say they can't see the last four or so would indulge me in an experiment. Create a new all black image at least a few hundred pixels high and 700 pixels wide. Now paste the graphic jonr posted into the center of this. Can you now see the differences between the last few or do they appear all the same? |
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08/16/2004 11:44:50 PM · #25 |
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