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06/03/2012 12:51:44 PM · #76 |
Originally posted by Kelli:
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Aside from liking minimal editing rules or not--How in the world do I know if the shot was taken with a wide-angle lens? I honestly can't figure out how to tell by looking at the shot whether it is DNMC by reason of not using wide-angle lens. If I vote DNMC, which I don't. I'm worried that DNMC voters will judge my shot as DNMC by reason of it not looking like a wide-angle lens shot. |
That's why I'm not entering this one. My widest is 28mm. That's not wide in anyone's book and getting a bunch of dnmc votes would just suck. |
I shot mine at 17mm on a 17-200mm kit lens. How can people know, looking at it, that it's at 17mm? I think there's no way you can look at a bunch of shots & pick out the ones that are DNMC for wide-angle (unless of course it's 1:1 macro, which is obvious). After some experimentation, I could get the subject in focus from about 10 in. & I think that type of shot, where the subject is close to the lens, would get nothing but DNMC votes. The more I wonder about this, the more frustrated I get. I have one entered, but I think I'm gonna pull it.
It's almost obvious to me that this challenge is a landscape challenge in disguise. A landscape challenge w/minimal editing rules. At least I won't have to look at a bunch of overcooked skies.
[eta] OK not just landscape. Architecture. A comp where everything is equally far away from the lens.
Message edited by author 2012-06-03 13:25:20. |
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06/03/2012 07:32:51 PM · #77 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
Aside from liking minimal editing rules or not--How in the world do I know if the shot was taken with a wide-angle lens? I honestly can't figure out how to tell by looking at the shot whether it is DNMC by reason of not using wide-angle lens. If I vote DNMC, which I don't. I'm worried that DNMC voters will judge my shot as DNMC by reason of it not looking like a wide-angle lens shot. |
Don't worry about DNMC voters. I'd actually trust the intelligence of the voters to discern a wide angle of view in the context of distance from subject. Furthermore, if you are using the widest angle lens you have and do a good job of straight-from-the-camera photograpy, at least you will have a sense of accomplishment. |
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06/04/2012 08:02:10 PM · #78 |
| Well, for now I've entered a 17mm shot on a 1.3 crop body, the challenge description says the widest lens in your bag and that's just silly. Am thinking ultra wide will get the ribbons? |
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06/04/2012 08:15:33 PM · #79 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Well, for now I've entered a 17mm shot on a 1.3 crop body, the challenge description says the widest lens in your bag and that's just silly. Am thinking ultra wide will get the ribbons? |
Agreed. I might go pick up the 400mm/f2.8 tomorrow, and I can assure the widest lens in my bag for the next two weeks will be 400mm.
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06/04/2012 08:24:30 PM · #80 |
Originally posted by cosmicassassin:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Well, for now I've entered a 17mm shot on a 1.3 crop body, the challenge description says the widest lens in your bag and that's just silly. Am thinking ultra wide will get the ribbons? |
Agreed. I might go pick up the 400mm/f2.8 tomorrow, and I can assure the widest lens in my bag for the next two weeks will be 400mm.
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Yup, tis not oft I agree with you CS but think this challenge is gonna be a mess :( |
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06/04/2012 09:40:38 PM · #81 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Yup, tis not oft I agree with you CS but think this challenge is gonna be a mess :( |
I'm still not entering. I have come to the realization that, i have no urge to waste my time "getting it right in camera". anyone can poohoo that all they want. lazy? maybe, but i dont have to get it "perfect", nor do i want to. my time is better spent elsewhere.
i have grown weary of entering the challenges lately.
the main reason is that i tend to shoot within the confines of a challenge and my photography outside of dpc suffers since i get bottlenecked into only thinking one way. i often forget that in the real world i am allowed to clone out more than incidental items, i am allowed to add textures and clip art i don't shoot, i can remove and replace my backgrounds. i find that i am spending too much time nitpicking little rules when i should be worrying about the larger picture.
for sometime dpc has been my sole inspiration and i need to get a better grip on photography outside of dpc. i'll still enter on occasion and stick around, i love the community, but i realized that i waste too much effort trying to play by the rules here when i really need to just break them.
Message edited by author 2012-06-04 21:40:58. |
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06/05/2012 01:06:27 PM · #82 |
Guys is it just me.. Or do most of you too feel that the submission is quite bland and could do with some editing?
Im now having second thoughts and am planning to withdraw my submission :-( |
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06/05/2012 01:12:25 PM · #83 |
| i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections. still going to try and enter. |
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06/05/2012 01:49:17 PM · #84 |
Originally posted by rockyrajan:
Guys is it just me.. Or do most of you too feel that the submission is quite bland and could do with some editing?
Im now having second thoughts and am planning to withdraw my submission :-( |
Naw... we all feel that way.
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06/05/2012 01:55:06 PM · #85 |
Originally posted by vawendy:
Originally posted by rockyrajan:
Guys is it just me.. Or do most of you too feel that the submission is quite bland and could do with some editing?
Im now having second thoughts and am planning to withdraw my submission :-( |
Naw... we all feel that way. |
Phew, thanks Wendy.. I was having serious thoughts of withdrawing my submission, but now i guess i wl just stick with my entry and see how low my score can possibly get :-) |
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06/05/2012 02:37:44 PM · #86 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
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06/05/2012 02:53:35 PM · #87 |
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
most people also think Instagram is a good idea too. |
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06/05/2012 05:00:56 PM · #88 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
most people also think Instagram is a good idea too. |
LOL |
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06/05/2012 05:08:36 PM · #89 |
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
what do you mean by this? |
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06/05/2012 05:19:14 PM · #90 |
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
what do you mean by this? |
Have you never seen the eight quajillion photos on Facebook or flickr?
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06/05/2012 07:02:16 PM · #91 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by hajeka:
Originally posted by LanndonKane:
i don't think digital camera's were meant to be used without some sort of post processing corrections.... |
Most people (except photographers) don't have any problem with that :) |
most people also think Instagram is a good idea too. |
haha great! |
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06/06/2012 06:31:48 PM · #92 |
Have left my marker in as it was growing on me, the edited version does look much better as my desktop background. No idea how it will score as it is just 17mm and would put my money on a Fisheye or similar grabbing the top spots but am just asking for a 5.9+ :)
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Well, for now I've entered a 17mm shot on a 1.3 crop body, the challenge description says the widest lens in your bag and that's just silly. Am thinking ultra wide will get the ribbons? |
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06/06/2012 07:00:25 PM · #93 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Have left my marker in as it was growing on me, the edited version does look much better as my desktop background. No idea how it will score as it is just 17mm and would put my money on a Fisheye or similar grabbing the top spots but am just asking for a 5.9+ :)
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Well, for now I've entered a 17mm shot on a 1.3 crop body, the challenge description says the widest lens in your bag and that's just silly. Am thinking ultra wide will get the ribbons? |
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Any wide angle shot will meet the challenge. I don't think it's fair (nor legal) to suggest that fisheye distortions should be favored. Not everyone has a fisheye lens, nor wants one. |
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06/06/2012 07:10:57 PM · #94 |
| well yes, I'm hoping so too and guess my 17mm will look better on the 1.3 crop than a 1.6 crop and hoping voters look at it the same way as with the macro challenge where close up works :) |
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06/06/2012 07:29:38 PM · #95 |
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
well yes, I'm hoping so too and guess my 17mm will look better on the 1.3 crop than a 1.6 crop and hoping voters look at it the same way as with the macro challenge where close up works :) |
The variable you are experiencing is sensor size related. The 17mm lens will cast the same image regardless of the camera body on which it is mounted. The smaller sensor catches less of the image. So, the solution to the dilemma is to adjust your distance from subject(s) to present an image which creates a viewer reaction of... "wide angle". Too distant and detail will be too small. Too close and the viewer reaction may be different than what you expect. |
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06/06/2012 07:34:30 PM · #96 |
| yup, I understand sensor size, don't want to go into too much detail of course, will just have to wait and see :) |
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06/07/2012 02:22:30 AM · #97 |
Crap and more crap! I have been out of touch lately and did not know of this challenge. I just left Denali Natiional Park where I spent two days shooting wildlife and landscapes. Unfortunately I always shoot in RAW and don't waste card space on .jpg. I can't enter any of the dozens of great landscapes I took.
Crap, carp! |
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06/07/2012 03:11:51 AM · #98 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
Originally posted by Ecce Signum:
Yup, tis not oft I agree with you CS but think this challenge is gonna be a mess :( |
I'm still not entering. I have come to the realization that, i have no urge to waste my time "getting it right in camera". anyone can poohoo that all they want. lazy? maybe, but i dont have to get it "perfect", nor do i want to. my time is better spent elsewhere.
i have grown weary of entering the challenges lately.
the main reason is that i tend to shoot within the confines of a challenge and my photography outside of dpc suffers since i get bottlenecked into only thinking one way. i often forget that in the real world i am allowed to clone out more than incidental items, i am allowed to add textures and clip art i don't shoot, i can remove and replace my backgrounds. i find that i am spending too much time nitpicking little rules when i should be worrying about the larger picture.
for sometime dpc has been my sole inspiration and i need to get a better grip on photography outside of dpc. i'll still enter on occasion and stick around, i love the community, but i realized that i waste too much effort trying to play by the rules here when i really need to just break them. |
I don't understand all this rant against minimal editing (the same happens with other people for expert editing): if you shoot a nice picture and minimal is not enough for you, after the challenge you can re-edit it using whatever kind of rules you want. Changing the camera settings can help to know how the camera works and let us grow as photographers, even if for the rest of our life we shoot in RAW. I entered a shot I like very and I've already done my editing for the end of the challenge. DPC is still an inspiration for me.
For the ones worried about what is wide-angle: there are wide-angles (starting from 35mm. on a full frame) and ultra wide-angles. It depends on your shot. You can convey the idea of a wide angle with a 35mm. and not doing the same using 10mm.
Message edited by author 2012-06-07 03:13:09. |
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06/07/2012 06:58:38 AM · #99 |
my rant is that i am experiencing growth in photography outside of DPC, initially i was using DPC as my sole inspiration. I am finding now that i dont need DPC as much. However i want to continue to participate, I love this site and the community but the frustration I experience with uninteresting topics and choices of editing lately leave me yearning your something more.
so, i am desperately trying to hold onto something i enjoy, but growing increasing frustrated with, which is participating in the challenges. I want to enter my best, and if i cant, i dont want to. |
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06/07/2012 07:36:14 AM · #100 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
my rant is that i am experiencing growth in photography outside of DPC, initially i was using DPC as my sole inspiration. I am finding now that i dont need DPC as much. However i want to continue to participate, I love this site and the community but the frustration I experience with uninteresting topics and choices of editing lately leave me yearning your something more.
so, i am desperately trying to hold onto something i enjoy, but growing increasing frustrated with, which is participating in the challenges. I want to enter my best, and if i cant, i dont want to. |
Well, this is a perfect explanation Mike :)
WHat I can say once again is that minimal editing can be a way to improve our skills, but if you don't like it no one can force you to submit something. |
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