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08/11/2004 12:01:58 PM · #1 |
Looking at magazine covers, particularly fashion magazines, it is pretty obvious that a lot of retouching has been done. In some cases, for magazines like Vogue, I've heard estimates of over $10,000 worth of Photoshop work is done to those images (based on whatever rate a top notch retouching artist can command) If you assume even $500 per hour, that is a lot of editing work.
I'm looking for some good, commercial examples of before and after shots, of professional models, with a preference for before/after images of shots that have been used on magazine covers like Vogue, Elle etc.
Anyone have good links ? I've seen the 'roll over' shots with pretty 'generic' subjects transformed, but I'm curious what the before/after shots look like for established top tier models too.
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08/11/2004 12:09:48 PM · #2 |
I don't mean this in an asinine manner but you might have luck seeing some shots of celebrities in tabloids where they were photographed without all the makeup and enhancements that they normally receive before a photoshoot. I don't happen to look there but it might be a resource.
I'm reminded of shots even in InStyle magazine of some years ago when Jennifer Anniston went out for some reason and looked just like an attractive young lady and not dressed like a bombshell with her hair all done up. I'm also reminded of staying home to having the heating/AC guy come out to work on one of the AC units at the house and I watched Live with Regis and Kelly. Amazingly they showed her without her makeup and Regis did a segment where he applied her makeup. Hmmm. Lovely as she is most of the time; she was fighteningly different, I mean it was a stark change between her with makeup and without.
That's not Photoshop but those are two examples of people that I've seen photographed or on video when they had been "made up" and when they hadn't.
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08/11/2004 12:12:06 PM · #3 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
I don't mean this in an asinine manner but you might have luck seeing some shots of celebrities in tabloids where they were photographed without all the makeup and enhancements that they normally receive before a photoshoot. I don't happen to look there but it might be a resource.
I'm reminded of shots even in InStyle magazine of some years ago when Jennifer Anniston went out for some reason and looked just like an attractive young lady and not dressed like a bombshell with her hair all done up. I'm also reminded of staying home to having the heating/AC guy come out to work on one of the AC units at the house and I watched Live with Regis and Kelly. Amazingly they showed her without her makeup and Regis did a segment where he applied her makeup. Hmmm. Lovely as she is most of the time; she was fighteningly different, I mean it was a stark change between her with makeup and without.
That's not Photoshop but those are two examples of people that I've seen photographed or on video when they had been "made up" and when they hadn't. |
All good points Kevin.
I'm also curious about what, if any, upfront changes are made, knowing that things are going to be adjusted in photoshop - in much the same way that 'stage' make-up is used in the theatre, which looks terrible close up.
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08/11/2004 12:14:41 PM · #4 |
i would think if that much effort is put into hiding the original look - the originals are probably hidden away somewhere for no one to see.
i did come across one site awhile back - but i think it's the one you are reffering to - it was more examples of what is done with no particular magazine or models shown.
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08/11/2004 12:24:10 PM · #5 |
I would imagine that those originals are closely guarded, almost like a trade secret, if anything.
If you could see the difference, it might be greatly assist someone in learning how to duplicate those finishing touches which could saturate the market with people of those skills, thus bringing down the value attached to those skills. Just a thought.
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08/11/2004 12:28:43 PM · #6 |
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08/11/2004 12:39:06 PM · #7 |
| There was a link that was posted with some great examples, was at least a month ago...I went back thru the forums looking for it, but no such luck, but it is out there somewhere. Sorry I couldn't be more help. |
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08/11/2004 12:46:05 PM · #8 |
To tell the truth, I don't really see any real magic there. There are a lot of sites you will find if you do a search for "photoshop tips" or something like that, that can show you some eazy ways to do those things and most will have before and after photos.
Message edited by author 2004-08-11 12:48:03.
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08/11/2004 12:47:19 PM · #9 |
A friend of mine does the PS work for a living. I'll ask him if he can supply some before and afters. You should hear some of the stories!!!
I mean I thought that they just removed the odd spot or two... but he says that often the stretch bodies and legs, and artificialy slim down models. |
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08/11/2004 12:49:48 PM · #10 |
here is the thread with the link i was referencing.
prior thread
i searched for 'retouching models'
EDIT: oddly enough Gordon participated in it as well.
Message edited by author 2004-08-11 12:51:08.
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08/11/2004 12:54:44 PM · #11 |
| I have a feeling that they all don't use Photoshop. I have seen them use software I do not recognize and the tools looked all different. They do streching and reshaping too. I have seen that on TV sometime ago. It's big money business. They can even write some software just to change the colour of someone's hair. Maybe it's a secret like plugins 3D animators write for different jobs. |
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08/11/2004 12:55:05 PM · #12 |
| Thats the one I was searching for too |
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08/11/2004 12:59:49 PM · #13 |
I went for a days work experience at a Image Manipulator in London. They had a male model who needed lots of little spots removing, they removed the vien from his forehead, they replaced his nipples with a females, even the colour of his eyes. They also evened his complection out. They mainly used (Photoshop CS) Clone Stamps and Dodge/Burn tools. They were zoomed right in for most of the work and were using very small tools. The process took ages and the before and afters were very different.
In summary they will change ANYTHING and usually do. They said Caprice didn't need much editing but shes about the only one that doesn't. |
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08/11/2004 01:31:42 PM · #14 |
Originally posted by TomH1000:
To tell the truth, I don't really see any real magic there. There are a lot of sites you will find if you do a search for "photoshop tips" or something like that, that can show you some eazy ways to do those things and most will have before and after photos. |
I'm not looking for magic. Just before/ after shots of cover models. I thought at that link the fact that the arms were removed and stretched was interesting though.
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08/11/2004 01:32:26 PM · #15 |
Originally posted by soup:
here is the thread with the link i was referencing.
prior thread
i searched for 'retouching models'
EDIT: oddly enough Gordon participated in it as well. |
Yup - the link there has the 'rollovers' that I referred to in my original post in this thread. I was hoping to get some real examples of actual magazine cover shots, before and after.
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08/11/2004 02:06:47 PM · #16 |
Gordon,
I know this still isn't exactly what you wanted but it may speak to some of the time factor that at the recent PIDE conference (//photoimaginganddesign.com/pide/index.po) Douglas Doubler (I think that's his name, he's in the photo at the bottom of the link listed above) presented a session on digital photography at a professional level and he brought a large part of his New York staff and studio to show in a multi-hour session what quality can be produced with the Canon 1Ds (if I remember the write up correctly). In that session he had his MAU and assistant finish the models, send them out for him to shoot and then turned over photos of 10 models wearing 12 different outfits to his graphics editor. The graphics guy then edited on the fly while the audience watched him use Adobe Photoshop CS on Sony large-screen TV's mounted around the auditorium. In a matter of time the team had gone from concept to something like 20"x30" finals ready for publication and the photos he shot were used throughout the latest issue of Studio Photography & Design (here's the actual article link)
Hope this helps you find some in-roads or contacts to get more info.
Kev
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08/11/2004 02:28:13 PM · #17 |
Originally posted by KevinRiggs:
Gordon,
I know this still isn't exactly what you wanted but it may speak to some of the time factor that at the recent PIDE conference (//photoimaginganddesign.com/pide/index.po) ... |
That's great Kevin, thanks!
Message edited by author 2004-08-11 14:31:54.
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