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03/01/2012 01:31:09 AM · #26 |
Originally posted by Penny Lane:
the point is it is hard to stay motivated to comment when you get pm'd over it. |
And there lies a problem. You are always going to get people who truely believe "they just don't understand my art" & feel they have to go on the offensive against the comment that they didn't like and the person who made the comment. This will make people think twice about leaving a comment that is less than favourable or leaving a comment at at all.
My suggestion would be to try it as a side challenge to see how many takers you get & then judge the results to see if it is worthy of making it a front page challenge. You may have to come up with your own challenge subject & stipulate the commenter has to leave their vote in the comments. This of course relies again on peoples honesty but it would be an interesting experiment.
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03/01/2012 06:02:30 AM · #27 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Originally posted by dyridings:
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Can we have a challenge that requires every participant to score and comment on every entry? And with the scores being public,, not anonymous? I think this could be a refreshing take on DPC. The current system seems to be annoying for more and more people. |
I wouldn't have a problem with it... but the number of participants may be limited. |
As long as the right people enter it could be a very valuable experience. |
Agreed....
For those who do vote low, IF they entered, it could give insight as to why they give low votes. It wouldn't bother me to get a 1 or 2, if someone would explain WHY they gave that score. And I definitely wouldn't hold a grudge against them. I actually would have MORE respect for them... JUSTIFY YOUR REASON. What's the big deal with that? |
Sounds like a great way to drive down participation. I don't really want to be harassed by the owner of a picture when I vote them low.
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03/01/2012 06:10:17 AM · #28 |
@Margaret - I suspect that the most effective way to get some support for your idea would be to lead by example and nominate a challenge in which you, personally, were going to do as you suggest. Depending on how your experiment works, truthfully commenting or critiquing and declaring your vote on every image, you may be able to persuade others thta it is a useful exercise.
I, like others, have been disheartened by PMs from disgruntled recipients of well-meant, but obviously misguided, comments. I do still comment on a fair number of photos I vote low on, but only as my fancy, and time constraints, allow. |
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03/01/2012 07:05:31 AM · #29 |
Originally posted by tanguera:
I'm with Marion on this. Yeah, 1s are annoying, and yes, it would be nice to know "why", but in the end, does it REALLY matter??? All these efforts trying to force people to do something they don't want to do... those who vote 1s and don't want to justify themselves just won't enter. How will that fix the issue?
What needs to change is the need to make other people justify themselves. |
+1
What if the image simply inspires no feelings whatsoever? What if the only reaction you have is "Meh....."? How do you turn that into a constructive comment? If I vote someone a 2, 3, or 4, generally that's my take on the image. I don't feel as though I have any responsibility to dig deep into my soul and put out there *why* it is that I feel that way. I'm here to compete, and learn, but not at the expense of having people forced to comment on my image if it leaves them with no reaction other than to give it a low vote and move on. Their vote speaks for itself.
And the point has been made quite often, in most of these griping about the low quantity of comments left threads, that the enthusiasm to do is is often squelched by an irate PM from someone who didn't so much like the comment that was left. The street goes both ways.
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03/01/2012 07:13:24 AM · #30 |
| IMHO 1's are given more to images that people dislike or are offended by. Me I love to see an image get a lot of 1's over a lot of 5's. 1's show the image got a reaction and is successful. 10's are the same way. 5's mean you bored the viewer. So I don't think I would really want to force people to comment on a low score, the low score is their comment and I don't want to see that go away. If anything lets eliminate the 5 from the voting scale and force the viewer to say it's either very boring (4) or it isn't bad but that's about it (6) |
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03/01/2012 07:43:17 AM · #31 |
| Hey you lot ! You could be voting and commenting rather than writing here. |
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03/01/2012 07:56:58 AM · #32 |
A selfish idea. Comments should be inspired, not required.
Message edited by author 2012-03-01 10:41:36. |
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03/01/2012 08:02:07 AM · #33 |
Looks like this might go into the RANT thread. Lol.
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03/01/2012 08:06:08 AM · #34 |
A recent image of mine got 28 votes of 1. It doesn't matter why. Not interested in comments from the 1-voters.
I would be much more interested in a statement from the photographer, re the photo entered. That's what motivates me now to go back after the voting to review images that caught my eye. Some photographers write very interesting comments on their photo, a great learning experience for me. I wish for more photographer's comments! |
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03/01/2012 08:06:17 AM · #35 |
Originally posted by bvy:
Comments should inspired, not required. |
Agree.
Message edited by author 2012-03-01 08:06:40. |
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03/01/2012 08:44:16 AM · #36 |
| I am completely new here and have only voted on 2 challenges so far because I wanted to start participating in the site. However, I refrained from commenting due to the fact that I am so new. Do people really want everyone's insight, even people who are completely new and are not nearly as well rounded when it comes to photography as many of the people here? |
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03/01/2012 08:48:45 AM · #37 |
Originally posted by lindseycouch:
I am completely new here and have only voted on 2 challenges so far because I wanted to start participating in the site. However, I refrained from commenting due to the fact that I am so new. Do people really want everyone's insight, even people who are completely new and are not nearly as well rounded when it comes to photography as many of the people here? |
Welcome aboard :-)
Of course your welcome to vote/comment. Just because your new here does not mean your not entitled to give your opinion.
This site is about enjoying your photography and learning from the vast amount of photogs on this site and them learning from you.
Just don't take it too seriously and get all hung up about it, too much of that seems to be happening around here these days.
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03/01/2012 09:29:15 AM · #38 |
Originally posted by pixelpig:
A recent image of mine got 28 votes of 1. It doesn't matter why. Not interested in comments from the 1-voters.
I would be much more interested in a statement from the photographer, re the photo entered. That's what motivates me now to go back after the voting to review images that caught my eye. Some photographers write very interesting comments on their photo, a great learning experience for me. I wish for more photographer's comments! |
+1
some dont even add the shutter, aperture info |
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03/01/2012 09:39:47 AM · #39 |
| It's just a game. The results of a challenge are not as important as many seem to believe. Oh...this is just IMHO, of course. I almost forgot to say that. Whew! |
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03/01/2012 10:05:07 AM · #40 |
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Welcome aboard :-)
Of course your welcome to vote/comment. Just because your new here does not mean your not entitled to give your opinion.
This site is about enjoying your photography and learning from the vast amount of photogs on this site and them learning from you.
Just don't take it too seriously and get all hung up about it, too much of that seems to be happening around here these days. |
Thanks for the welcome and the vote of confidence! I just started voting on the Free Study and I have been adding lots of comments. |
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03/01/2012 10:17:35 AM · #41 |
Originally posted by lindseycouch:
I refrained from commenting due to the fact that I am so new. Do people really want everyone's insight, even people who are completely new and are not nearly as well rounded when it comes to photography as many of the people here? |
You don't have to give technical critiques. Just your impression works. Even idiotic comments are appreciated here.
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03/01/2012 10:20:03 AM · #42 |
Originally posted by Sevlow:
Originally posted by lindseycouch:
I am completely new here and have only voted on 2 challenges so far because I wanted to start participating in the site. However, I refrained from commenting due to the fact that I am so new. Do people really want everyone's insight, even people who are completely new and are not nearly as well rounded when it comes to photography as many of the people here? |
Welcome aboard :-)
Of course your welcome to vote/comment. Just because your new here does not mean your not entitled to give your opinion.
This site is about enjoying your photography and learning from the vast amount of photogs on this site and them learning from you.
Just don't take it too seriously and get all hung up about it, too much of that seems to be happening around here these days. |
Another Welcome (from a newbie, haven't been around too long)...
Leaving comments creates an opening for debate. Some people respect the comments you leave, others are offended. I say, if you want to leave a comment, do so and do not worry. People interpret things differently. Just don't be run off by others. That's the motto I use here. If someone doesn't like the comment I leave, I will respect that. That's their choice. If they appreciate it, all the better. But do NOT let anyone make the choice for you. :) I welcome all comments on my photos. Love it, hate it, it disgusts me, it inspires me, it's cute, it's ugly, I wouldn't wipe my butt with it...
the more comments, the merrier. If people don't like it... oh well. If they do... great. And if they can leave constructive criticism... EVEN BETTER!
Hope you have fun here... just don't get too caught up in the drama. LOL. :)
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03/01/2012 11:32:47 AM · #43 |
some people dont like negative opinions, i found that out.
too bad, im still going to give them. |
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03/01/2012 11:44:32 AM · #44 |
Originally posted by mike_311:
some people dont like negative opinions, i found that out.
too bad, im still going to give them. |
I like your style of thinking... the same way I think.
Not the old "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" lecture we received from our parents/elders/teachers/etc.
Message edited by author 2012-03-01 11:45:14.
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03/01/2012 12:10:46 PM · #45 |
Originally posted by dyridings:
Originally posted by mike_311:
some people dont like negative opinions, i found that out.
too bad, im still going to give them. |
I like your style of thinking... the same way I think.
Not the old "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" lecture we received from our parents/elders/teachers/etc. |
i got banned from lifehacker today for the second time for that way of thinking. |
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03/01/2012 06:12:08 PM · #46 |
Originally posted by MargaretN:
Can we have a challenge that requires every participant to score and comment on every entry? And with the scores being public,, not anonymous? |
I would have no problems with this proposal in the least. Mind you, some of the recipients might get to really hate me, but as  Ubique so aptly stated in a recent thread... it's not like I would care a great deal.
Mind you, I might be one of the few that would expose himself to the backlash... so you might not have many people voting or commenting.
Ray |
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03/01/2012 09:41:48 PM · #47 |
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
IMHO 1's are given more to images that people dislike or are offended by. Me I love to see an image get a lot of 1's over a lot of 5's. 1's show the image got a reaction and is successful. 10's are the same way. 5's mean you bored the viewer. So I don't think I would really want to force people to comment on a low score, the low score is their comment and I don't want to see that go away. If anything lets eliminate the 5 from the voting scale and force the viewer to say it's either very boring (4) or it isn't bad but that's about it (6) |
I give 1s for images that either are DNMC and obvious shoehorn or not even remotely related to the challenge, or that are so poorly shot that there isn't anything redeeming of a higher score.
If I don't like the picture but it is well executed or is a particularly appropriate submission for the challenge, I'll vote accordingly. I won't vote a picture down just because I don't like it.
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03/02/2012 06:51:17 AM · #48 |
Originally posted by alohadave:
Originally posted by MinsoPhoto:
IMHO 1's are given more to images that people dislike or are offended by. Me I love to see an image get a lot of 1's over a lot of 5's. 1's show the image got a reaction and is successful. 10's are the same way. 5's mean you bored the viewer. So I don't think I would really want to force people to comment on a low score, the low score is their comment and I don't want to see that go away. If anything lets eliminate the 5 from the voting scale and force the viewer to say it's either very boring (4) or it isn't bad but that's about it (6) |
I give 1s for images that either are DNMC and obvious shoehorn or not even remotely related to the challenge, or that are so poorly shot that there isn't anything redeeming of a higher score.
If I don't like the picture but it is well executed or is a particularly appropriate submission for the challenge, I'll vote accordingly. I won't vote a picture down just because I don't like it. |
I know many people do vote 1's for images that they just don't like or think are offensive. Just check out the nudes or anything with a touchy subject and look at the 1's even for well shot images. And of course there are the blurry artistic shots that some people just don't like and will low vote. Is that a problem? I don't think so, everyone is entitled and if they don't like a blurry shot or a nude and want to vote a 1 that is fine but the same needs to be acceptable to stock style photos or "eye candy". |
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